A Mighty Fortress Is Our God! In the face of all this hatred, I am Proud to be an Anglican.

[AlessandraRose]

Ah, OK. Broad church.

I still don’t quite get why you’re so incredibly, viciously anti-Catholic. This isn’t the sixteenth century so it seems a little odd.

Usually people are when they don’t understand. They take it out on the church…

 

[Contarini]

SIA, you seem to be a convert to Anglicanism, who has not yet fully converted from whatever Protestant niche you used to inhabit.

Evangelical Anglicans aren’t as testy as you are. At least not the ones I knew from my days with the Evangelical and Catholic Mission.

Ex-Catholic Anglicans are generally a bit testy. I’m more familiar with liberal ex-Catholics. But SIA isn’t unique.

Many of us came to Anglicanism because we were drawn to its Catholic aspects. SIA came to it for the opposite reasons. That explains a lot.

Edwin

 

[HashemEchad]

I have heard everything from hatred to flat out misinformation and fabrication about Anglicans in these forums. I am an ex-cradle Catholic turned Anglican several years ago because of the Holy Spirit and how I have come to learn the Holy Word of God and how it has changed my life and my family. My Anglican church is vibrant and holy and has come through so very much when we split from the Episcopal church last year and joined the Diocese of Uganda. Financial support is non-existent from Uganda, but God rewards those who are faithful to him. God is great, all the time!

I understand how you feel, even though I am not an Anglican.

 

[ibkc]

Ex-Catholic Anglicans are generally a bit testy. I’m more familiar with liberal ex-Catholics. But SIA isn’t unique.

Many of us came to Anglicanism because we were drawn to its Catholic aspects. SIA came to it for the opposite reasons. That explains a lot.

I guess that makes a difference. There were ex-Catholics in the Episcopal church I attended as a teen, but they were not anti-Catholic. Of the ones I can remember who shared their reasons for leaving the Catholic Church, they were in the EC because of some compromise or other with a Protestant spouse or other family member, and not because of any problems they had with the CC.

 

[Erich]

Do you believe you are saved from faith in Christ alone?

Did you really mean to ask “saved from faith”? or “saved by faith”?

As for me, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I *will be *saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).

 

[HashemEchad]

I find, often, that those who leave one religion and join another, express total hostility toward their former faith…but when they do this, its because they have “issues” with their former faith.

A convert who truly loves their new faith in and of itself, has no need to do that…they are able to focus on their new faith and forget about their old one.

I remember one ex-Roman Catholic I met a few years back…he went from Catholic to atheist, and out of sheer hatred for his former Catholic religion, he went to a Mass, received communion and took it home to abuse it.

Now, I do not at all believe in Catholic transubstantiation, and even though no Catholics knew he did this, I felt it was a wrong thing to do.

But there are people with serious issues about their former faiths…I’ve known Jews who left Judaism out of some resentment, and while they may have chosen to eat pork out of spite, I’ve never heard of any who would go so far as to desecrate a Torah scroll or something like that (God forbid!)

So for a guy to desecrate a Catholic communion wafer, to me, really tells me he had Issues (with a capital I!)

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

I am quite surprised that you are an Anglican, SIA. Many of the arguments you’ve been making here are anything BUT Anglican. You sound much more like an evangelical.

There are tons of Anglican Evangelicals - John Stott, Howard Marshall, J. I. Packer are three well-known names out of many. There is more than one way of being Evangelical & Anglican. Some are anti-Roman, but others not: J.I. Packer has been criticised by some for taking part in conversations between Catholics & Evangelicals.​

**People like him are caught in the crossfire of Catholic-Protestant argument, which is very unfair. Undiscriminating attacks on Anglicanism by Catholics wound those who are sympathetic to Catholics, as well as those who are not. Which is very foolish Unless Catholics can stop engaging in “friendly fire”, we will harm those who are well-disposed to us, & leave standing only those who are not. **

 

[SIA]

I am sure you agree that the Holy Spirit is a Person within the Trinity and the Spirit give us Grace so then one must dismiss through faith in Christ alone is an infalible statement.

As a matter of Scripture, absolutely not. One must receive that grace from God (Father, Son or Holy Spirit) by faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Steven_John]

Best we be not proud.

It kills faith.

be proud for God for no one is good but Him.

 

[Zooey]

I find, often, that those who leave one religion and join another, express total hostility toward their former faith…but when they do this, its because they have “issues” with their former faith.

A convert who truly loves their new faith in and of itself, has no need to do that…they are able to focus on their new faith and forget about their old one.

I remember one ex-Roman Catholic I met a few years back…he went from Catholic to atheist, and out of sheer hatred for his former Catholic religion, he went to a Mass, received communion and took it home to abuse it.

Now, I do not at all believe in Catholic transubstantiation, and even though no Catholics knew he did this, I felt it was a wrong thing to do.

But there are people with serious issues about their former faiths…I’ve known Jews who left Judaism out of some resentment, and while they may have chosen to eat pork out of spite, I’ve never heard of any who would go so far as to desecrate a Torah scroll or something like that (God forbid!)

So for a guy to desecrate a Catholic communion wafer, to me, really tells me he had Issues (with a capital I!)

I think you are onto something here!!
It does seem to be those folks who leave one faith for another, because of “issues” who show the greatest anger & disrespect for their former faith.
Its very sad, but it also makes sense, that this should be so.

 

[mercygate]

I think you are onto something here!!
It does seem to be those folks who leave one faith for another, because of “issues” who show the greatest anger & disrespect for their former faith.
Its very sad, but it also makes sense, that this should be so.

Heck. As a former Episcopalian of a catholic-bent, nobody had more “issues” than I did. But my day-to-day experience in the Episcopal Church was positive. I came to know Christ and learned the Catholic faith as an Episcopalian; I came to know and love many saints.

 

[GKC]

Ex-Catholic Anglicans are generally a bit testy. I’m more familiar with liberal ex-Catholics. But SIA isn’t unique.

Many of us came to Anglicanism because we were drawn to its Catholic aspects. SIA came to it for the opposite reasons. That explains a lot.

Edwin

And ex-Anglican Catholics are often plus Catholique que le Pape. I expect I would be.

GKC

 

[mercygate]

And ex-Anglican Catholics are often plus Catholique que le Pape. I expect I would be.

GKC

The RCIA director asked me during my interview: “Is the Catholic Church catholic enough for you?”

I told him I would think about it.

 

[GKC]

The RCIA director asked me during my interview: “Is the Catholic Church catholic enough for you?”

I told him I would think about it.

It seems that it was.

Ex-Anglicans, of the spikier variety, can be a nusiance, I expect.

GKC

 

[mercygate]

It seems that it was.

Ex-Anglicans, of the spikier variety, can be a nusiance, I expect.

GKC

Yup. That’s me.

 

[O.S.Luke]

I am quite surprised that you are an Anglican, SIA. Many of the arguments you’ve been making here are anything BUT Anglican. You sound much more like an evangelical.

Uh… the Evangelical Movement started in the Anglican Church. Britain, early 1700’s. Look up William Wilberforce.

To be ignorant of Christian history is to rethink what Newman said.

O+

 

[mercygate]

Uh… the Evangelical Movement started in the Anglican Church. Britain, early 1700’s. Look up William Wilberforce.

To be ignorant of Christian history is to rethink what Newman said.

O+

O.S., the word “Evangelical” here – as you are aware – was used loosely to mean “rabid anti-Catholic nut case”. Not “Evangelical,” as in preaching the word of God and holding to the evangelical counsels. Heck. Even as a Catholic, I consider myself a deep-dyed Evangelical.

 

[ibkc]

O.S., the word “Evangelical” here – as you are aware – was used loosely to mean “rabid anti-Catholic nut case”. Not “Evangelical,” as in preaching the word of God and holding to the evangelical counsels. Heck. Even as a Catholic, I consider myself a deep-dyed Evangelical.

Yup. This. Thank you, mercygate.

O.S. Luke, snark is not your best asset.

 

[mercygate]

Yup. This. Thank you, mercygate.

O.S. Luke, snark is not your best asset.

Luke is a good guy. Give him a break.

 

[ibkc]

Luke is a good guy. Give him a break.

I’m sure he’s a wonderful person, but his comment was a bit over the top. Nope, I don’t know everything about Christian history. Yes, I do know there has been an evangelical movement with Anglicanism for ages. Until the appearance of SIA on this board, I was unfamiliar with aggressively anti-Catholic Anglicans and Episcopalians, in this day and time. It’s far outside of my personal experience. But we learn every day, don’t we?