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that parable is about not having the Holy Spirit, oil = Holy Spirit.
A Mighty Fortress Is Our God! In the face of all this hatred, I am Proud to be an Anglican.
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hello SIA, I think we have all heard the misinformation thrown around here, even when coming from an ex-cradle Catholic turned Anglican. I dont know your personal history of the Catholic church, so I will not ask; Although this pride you speak of , is it pride because Anglicans seperated from Roman Catholicsm, or is it pride because you are of “A” Anglican church? I love your history of the Anglican church before she seperated herself from Peter our Pope.I can see where one can have Pride, but this Anglican Church in communion with Peter does not exist anymore. That is why I ask about your pride?
Peace be with you.
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Oh yea…I could pull out my twisted fundamental evangelical books with slanted history and convince you all were going to hell except me. Okay, it would convince you, but I made my point about history being twisted by those who refuse to accept the truth in history.
To be deep in history is to seize to be Protestant. I guess we must qualify this with "it depends on who’s historical accounts you decide to read…the ancient church of the 16th century to present day rewritten history by anti-Catholics and Protestants.
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that’s false.
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blah blah blah. It’s only your opinion of what Protestant is.
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I am proud to be a pillar of a church who puts the Word of God first in authority and practices as the Earliest of Christian churches did. As far as the popes and who is in communion with who, you guys go ahead and worry yourselves with that stuff. I have experienced the Holy Spirit and I worship with those who truly know and practice God’s Word and I receive my Lord’s body and blood every Sunday in the Eucharist. Who couldn’t be proud to be deep in faith and practice with our God! I believed just as you do for decades. But I have tasted and seen our sovergn God. I only wish that al Christians would get the experience that I was so very lucky to have.
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Peace and blessings to you all.
The prides spoken of in this thread are meritorious in the worldly sense.
My brother (pbwh) is narrated to have said “no one is good but Our Father”
For me then all worldly pride is false, If i submit to Allah it is His goodness that is done through me.
So i cant have pride in what i am, only pride for the spirit / guidance of Allah through me.
Without it i am not being good.
I think SIA s post of being a pillar is very close to this if it has no reliance to being Anglican.
This is separate from mens "religions’ as it is of the one true religion.
I am not a scholar but reckon it will be in bible.
The prides spoken of in this thread are meritorious in the worldly sense.
My brother (pbwh) is narrated to have said “no one is good but Our Father”
For me then all worldly pride is false, If i submit to Allah it is His goodness that is done through me.
So i cant have pride in what i am, only pride for the spirit / guidance of Allah through me.
Without it i am not being good.
I think SIA s post of being a pillar is very close to this if it has no reliance to being Anglican.
This is separate from mens "religions’ as it is of the one true religion.
I am not a scholar but reckon it will be in bible.
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The Catholic Church is and was the earliest Christian church. I hope you meant oral tradition here- not the bible.
Do you still have “misconceptions” about who the Pope is and what he does? You said you were a former Catholic…
I just hope and pray you are not falling into idolatry with some blasphemous invalidly ordained priests.
During those decades did you ever help any of your brothers to grow in faith or you were just concerned about your self???
To your last sentence… Please don’t deceive.
Followers of Christ expect persecutions not luck!
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Gabriel_of_12
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Very well stated, and accepted “here,here”.
I am still puzzled about your pride? I rejoice in your faith with you. I am pleased that history,authority does not affect your faith. To some these are used as weapons to attack my Roman Catholic faith, so it is not a means for me to worry either, as long as I accept the truth about history and the authority that Jesus placed here on earth. I am so happy to hear you claim your faith so boldly in the true presence of Jesus.God bless you, and peace be with you
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Please, enlighten us as to how the Anglican church was not founded on the sins of Henry VIII. Can you give us your version of the birth of Anglicanism?
“The 1530’s witnessed Henry’s growing involvement in government, and a series of events which greatly altered England, as well as the whole of Western Christendom: the separation of the Church of England from Roman Catholicism. The separation was actually a by-product of Henry’s obsession with producing a male heir; Catherine of Aragon failed to produce a male and the need to maintain dynastic legitimacy forced Henry to seek an annulment from the pope in order to marry Anne Boleyn.”
britannia.com/history/monarchs/mon41.html
Ah, yes, to have a male heir and marry his mistress… now there’s a good start for a church!
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GKC
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Henry’s quest for a decree of nulity was nothing out of the ordianry for the time period. And the rasons he wanted one were commonplace, too. The management of dynastic marriages for political and personal reasons was an every day occurence on the 16th century. The Church ahd a vastly complex process and system of impediments and dispensations to permit it all to function. And Henry’s causa, while not as strong as it potentially could have been (he focussed on the Levitical prohibition, not on the probable undispensed impediment of the justice of public honesty) was pefectly in keeping woth the system as it was worked at the time. Trouble was, he ran into a stronger political force: Charles.Please, enlighten us as to how the Anglican church was not founded on the sins of Henry VIII. Can you give us your version of the birth of Anglicanism?
“The 1530’s witnessed Henry’s growing involvement in government, and a series of events which greatly altered England, as well as the whole of Western Christendom: the separation of the Church of England from Roman Catholicism. The separation was actually a by-product of Henry’s obsession with producing a male heir; Catherine of Aragon failed to produce a male and the need to maintain dynastic legitimacy forced Henry to seek an annulment from the pope in order to marry Anne Boleyn.”
britannia.com/history/monarchs/mon41.html
Ah, yes, to have a male heir and marry his mistress… now there’s a good start for a church!
History is complex and interesting. As always, for an intro on this, I recommend Scarisbrick’s HENRY VIII.
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Indeed. And Henry VIII was as complex and interesting as they come - nor was he the first English king to run afoul of Rome - Henry II jumps to mind immediately.
I simply take issue with the triumphalism of the OP - particularly since I am of Irish and Scot Catholic ancestry. (Awful lot of bloody water under those bridges, neh?) But the fact remains that, at least in my eyes, there is validity to the claim for an English Church and that Church is inextricably bound in English History.
In short, Anglicanism did not spring fully formed from the brow of Henry VIII and I daresay that the OP would find a vastly different Church than what he or she imagines were he or she to read the actual history. I would suggest starting with the Venerable Bede and forget not my patron saint, Dunstan of Canterbury.
Kudos to GKC, Contarini, and Gottle who have read the history and know whereof they speak!
(No offense to the OP - I’m simply acknowledging that I respect and admire those three even though we might disagree at times. 
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Dear all,
I’m fed up with some peoples idolatry of Roman Cathlicism. At present God is purging me of my idolatry of Anglicanism. But for those who idolize Roman Catholicism, I’m starting a new thread.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=244228
I’m fed up with some peoples idolatry of Roman Cathlicism. At present God is purging me of my idolatry of Anglicanism. But for those who idolize Roman Catholicism, I’m starting a new thread.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=244228
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GKC
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I thank you for the kind words.Indeed. And Henry VIII was as complex and interesting as they come - nor was he the first English king to run afoul of Rome - Henry II jumps to mind immediately.
I simply take issue with the triumphalism of the OP - particularly since I am of Irish and Scot Catholic ancestry. (Awful lot of bloody water under those bridges, neh?) But the fact remains that, at least in my eyes, there is validity to the claim for an English Church and that Church is inextricably bound in English History.
In short, Anglicanism did not spring fully formed from the brow of Henry VIII and I daresay that the OP would find a vastly different Church than what he or she imagines were he or she to read the actual history. I would suggest starting with the Venerable Bede and forget not my patron saint, Dunstan of Canterbury.
Kudos to GKC, Contarini, and Gottle who have read the history and know whereof they speak!
Pax, frater.
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Anglicanus Catholicus, possibly a sept of the MacIntoshes or MacPhersons.
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thirdn6;3730097:
And you should. The fact seems to be the TAC group is getting no where with Rome it seems. And they are basically coming on bended knee. Willing to compromise.I take that as a compliment. Thank-you.
Look at the Anglican Use in the US. CWR reported in last month’s issue it has been basically ineffective - as in perhaps a failure (my words). After more than a decade there are just 7 or so Use parishes. The English bishops didn’t seem to embrace Anglicans who couldn’t accept women’s ordination a while back.
I think the emergence of an orthodox Anglican church - out of Uganda perhaps - is imminent.
I think those like some in TAC who want something different will in the end convert to Orthodoxy. The Orthodox seem to be wooing them while Rome plays games. Like does the Catholic church need another very vocal orthodox band of Christians in its fold? The traditionalists are making enough waves. JMHO.
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