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TheLittleLady
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WOW, I had the same thing, in January, along with sudden onset high fever. Was just talking to DS about that last night, how we will never know if I had it and recovered.
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whatistrue
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But being near a car accident does not increase the odds of you having a car accident, nor does being fortunate enough to avoid being near car accidents for your entire previous life prevent you from having a car accident. So, not contagious in the same sense as a virus can be contagious.
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whatistrue
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Then where did the solo experiencer get the virus from?
As all of this unfolds, and a small minority of people think this is all stupid, that they should be able to get out, socialize, party, go to the beach, attend divine worship (as the people at the church in Louisiana are doing), whatever — I have wondered if it might be a plan to quarantine these people, find some real estate (closed military bases, vacated college campuses, etc.), erect a cordon sanitaire around it, and let them get out and do whatever they feel like doing within those boundaries. If they all spread the CV to each other — some carrying it unknowingly — and some of them die, too bad, I’m sad, we tried to warn them, but they didn’t want any part of it. Say to them, in effect, “you can’t stand to shelter in place, all right, then, come and stay for awhile in someplace you won’t have to do that, we’ll supply recreational activities, workshops, worship services of your denomination (or close enough to it), sports, good food — take all you want, but eat all you take — anything we can”. Maybe put them to work building ventilators and making N95 masks and hand sanitizer for all us hypochondriacs out here? Pay them top dollar?
Not a good plan, though. Getting lots of people all together in isolated places doesn’t have very good optics, nor does it have a very good track record. Read your history. Just trying to find a way to keep these folks from being so unhappy, restless, and irritated. I feel their pain.
Don’t take my narrative any more seriously than it’s intended. Just a thought exercise.
Not a good plan, though. Getting lots of people all together in isolated places doesn’t have very good optics, nor does it have a very good track record. Read your history. Just trying to find a way to keep these folks from being so unhappy, restless, and irritated. I feel their pain.
Don’t take my narrative any more seriously than it’s intended. Just a thought exercise.
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VonDerTann
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Actually, HSD, i think things like this have been done in other contexts.
For example, parts of west Texas are very remote. As I understand it from Texas friends (I assume they’re correct), there are parts of west Texas where you can basically speed in your car, on the understanding that if you flip your car, although you will be rescued, it’ll be in the “ordinary course,” i.e., Help will get there when it can, rather than prioritizing you.
Again, I’m not from Texas, but it sounds like what you’re proposing.
For example, parts of west Texas are very remote. As I understand it from Texas friends (I assume they’re correct), there are parts of west Texas where you can basically speed in your car, on the understanding that if you flip your car, although you will be rescued, it’ll be in the “ordinary course,” i.e., Help will get there when it can, rather than prioritizing you.
Again, I’m not from Texas, but it sounds like what you’re proposing.
Just a thought exercise. That’s all it is. I fully realize that to build cities overnight, where “all the smart people” could go, and get away from the rest of us over-reacting, hypochondriacal sheeple who are cramping their style, is impossible.
Perhaps they could find someplace in Mexico to go camp out for the duration? No less authoritative source than Amlo (their president) assures us that this pandemic is no big deal. Something about it being a disease for rich people. Guess I’m good, then — I’m poor as dirt.
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Genesis315
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I think there is a point worth thinking about in the OPs post. Rather than looking at things like car accidents, look at the flu.
A fair amount of people die from the flu each year. We could reduce that number by some value by imposing these same restrictions. But we don’t think it is worth it to do so.
For this virus, it seems most do think the current measures are worth it.
The question is where the line is drawn between the two. Where is the line where the risk of infection and death to some is worth bearing in exchange for more freedom for others, versus when it is worth taking restrictive measures to freedom to greater reduce the risk of infection and death.
A fair amount of people die from the flu each year. We could reduce that number by some value by imposing these same restrictions. But we don’t think it is worth it to do so.
For this virus, it seems most do think the current measures are worth it.
The question is where the line is drawn between the two. Where is the line where the risk of infection and death to some is worth bearing in exchange for more freedom for others, versus when it is worth taking restrictive measures to freedom to greater reduce the risk of infection and death.
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whatistrue
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The difference there is that we have vaccines for seasonal flu every year, but some people refuse to (or cannot) get vaccinated. We don’t have a vaccine for this yet, so isolation is the best tool we have to give the hospitals and vaccine researchers time to do what they need to do. It has nothing to do with cost/benefit analysis.
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Dan123
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We’re in a time of unusually high risk. Going out is not akin to driving a car, it’s akin to driving a car drunk. You’re putting yourself and others at a much higher risk.
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Genesis315
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The vaccines are sadly not 100% effective, depending on the flu strain(s) that year–they are also not mandated. Even vaccinated people still die from the flu and some of those deaths could be prevented through social separation/quarantines. A vaccine for Covid-19 may have similar results, who knows.
The overwhelming of hospital beds and healthcare workers in the case of this virus is a problem because it would lead to more deaths. And it is the high death toll that ultimately all our efforts of social isolation are trying to avoid.
The question is still what death toll or expected death toll level is tolerable enough to take no strict social measures and which is not.
If we get the expected death toll of Covid-19 down to X (including through use of a vaccine), then social distancing will no longer be needed. The question is, what value is X? I guess we’ll find out if this becomes a recurring or seasonal issue.
The overwhelming of hospital beds and healthcare workers in the case of this virus is a problem because it would lead to more deaths. And it is the high death toll that ultimately all our efforts of social isolation are trying to avoid.
The question is still what death toll or expected death toll level is tolerable enough to take no strict social measures and which is not.
If we get the expected death toll of Covid-19 down to X (including through use of a vaccine), then social distancing will no longer be needed. The question is, what value is X? I guess we’ll find out if this becomes a recurring or seasonal issue.
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njlisa
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I didn’t join a “pro-seclusion” movement. I’m obeying public health measures to control the spread of a disease. We should all be good neighbors and avoid infecting one another.
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Freddy
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There are tests available to show you if you have had it.Tis_Bearself:
WOW, I had the same thing, in January, along with sudden onset high fever. Was just talking to DS about that last night, how we will never know if I had it and recovered.
I must admit I’m not sure why a lot of money isn’t being poured into testing kits. If we had enough to test everyone then it would be a simple matter of separating those who had it from those who didn’t, locking down those who didn’t have it for ten days or so to make sure they didn’t develop it and all those clear after that could get back to normal.
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OurLadyofSorrows
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I have friends and family who were travelling in Nov /Dec . They got a virus with relentless coughing, fever, flulike symptoms. They went to the doctor, were given masks in the hospital and told it was a virus. As soon as the tests come out to id those who have had the virus they are going to be tested.
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27lw
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Here’s some folks who are (were) not believers in seclusion.
Didn’t work out too well:
https://q13fox.com/2020/03/30/coronavirus-strikes-a-mount-vernon-washington-choir-rehearsal/
Didn’t work out too well:
https://q13fox.com/2020/03/30/coronavirus-strikes-a-mount-vernon-washington-choir-rehearsal/
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JulianN
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Are you under the impression that we don’t have ordinances for driving? Speed limits, stop signs, traffic lights, licensing are but a few that pop to mind. While they don’t eliminate accidents, they reduce them.
The same is true with these temporary restrictions—they exist to flatten the curve, as others have pointed out. It doesn’t mean no one will get the virus, but the hope is to ease the strain on the healthcare system.
By the way, another term for “pro-seclusion” is “pro-life.”
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I have to wonder if something similar will happen with these “megachurches” that have been holding services lately. Hope not.
Emeraldlady
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When there’s no precedent in modern times, it’s pointless trying to determine X. That will come down the track.
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BornInMarch
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Your question is an example of whataboutism. How is contagious disease in any way related to car-crashes or sex?
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whatistrue
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No vaccine ever is.
And since medicine is not an exact science, that value is somewhat subject to interpretation, and definitely subject to change with new or better information.
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Gorgias
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I think we haven’t even scratched the surface, yet. Give it a few more weeks of quarantine…
From reading a book? After all, it is the novel coronavirus!!!
(Sorry… couldn’t resist that one…)
In fact, it’s kinda the whole point of the Noah narrative, albeit cast in a slightly different light…
Another difference is that this one mutates quite more rapidly than the normal strains of flu.Genesis315:
The difference there is that we have vaccines for seasonal flu every year, but some people refuse to (or cannot) get vaccinated. We don’t have a vaccine for this yet, so isolation is the best tool we have to give the hospitals and vaccine researchers time to do what they need to do. It has nothing to do with cost/benefit analysis.
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