A thought I had about the end times and earthquakes

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darren there is no iffy about these apparitions. if you believe in them after the church condeming them you have entered on the road to hell. you are denying the holy spirit is guiding the church.
I am doing no such thing, and the Church has done no such thing in condemning.

I don’t know anyone more persecuted, hated and attacked than this woman. That speaks volumes. If she really was false her message would be spread world wide by the devils hand (such as a certain heretical prophesy in the past few months) not at constant attack and at fear of her very life the way she is. If her messages were contrary to Catholicism, I would drop the remembrance of the prophecies in an instant, but they aren’t. If I too was to condemn this woman then I truely would be in danger for my soul, because I know the situation better than most who only hear of her through people that hate her.

It’s useless to say “you will get banned if you keep talking about her”. If a situation arises where her reputation ought to be defended, then I will defend her, precisely because I am Catholic and in compliance with Catholic teaching. As much as I love this Catholic forum and would hate to be banned, such a small thing isn’t going to stand in conflict with my morals.
 
*“But of that day and hour no one knoweth: no, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone.” (St. Matthew 24: 36) *

Does that verse prevent us from knowing the month?

Does that verse prevent us from knowing the year?

Does that verse prevent us from knowing the decade?
 
I would go so far as to say we’ve been in the “end times” since the Ascension…
That is the Age of the Church - it starts with the event you mention - the Ascension (or at the first Pentecost, depending on who you talk to) and goes until the end. The Book of Revelation refers to this as the ‘thousand years’.

But Revelation also mentions a specific Short Time of Satan that comes just before Jesus’ return. It is short relative to the figurative thousand years., but it is most likely decades or even a century long since it is also referenced by Jesus in Matthew 24 and all the things He mentioned - Apostasy, Great Tribulation, nation rising against nation, wars and rumors of wars for example - will more likely take many years for all of that to occur.

So a distinction needs to be made between the generic last days or end times - which corresponds to the ‘thousand years’ from the Ascension until the Return, and the ‘time of the end’ (from Daniel 12) which is the Short Time of Satan’s “hour” that comes just before the return.

I believe we are in that Short Time of Satan mentioned in the Book of Revealtion and called the “time of the end” in Daniel 12.

God bless you.

Daniel 12:1-10

1 'At that time Michael will arise – the great Prince, defender of your people. That will be a time of great distress, unparalleled since nations first came into existence. When that time comes, your own people will be spared – all those whose names are found written in the Book.

2 'Of those who are sleeping in the Land of Dust, many will awaken, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting disgrace.

3 Those who are wise will shine as brightly as the expanse of the heavens, and those who have instructed many in uprightness, as bright as stars for all eternity.

4 ‘But you, Daniel, must keep these words secret and keep the book sealed until** the time of the End**. Many will roam about, this way and that, and wickedness will continue to increase.’

5 I, Daniel, then looked and saw two other people standing, one on the near bank of the river, the other on the far.

6 One of them said to the man dressed in linen who was standing further up the stream, ‘How long until these wonders take place?’

7 I heard the man speak who was dressed in linen, standing further up the stream: he raised his right hand and his left to heaven and swore by him who lives for ever, ‘A time and two times, and half a time; and all these things will come true, once the crushing of the holy people’s power is over.’

8 I listened but did not understand. I then said, ‘My lord, what is to be the outcome?’

9 ‘Go, Daniel,’ he said. 'These words are to remain secret and sealed until the time of the End.

10 Many will be cleansed, made white and purged; the wicked will persist in doing wrong; the wicked will never understand; those who are wise will understand.
 
Can you prove that we are not deep in end times?
While I appreciate the thought, it is not possible to prove a negative. I think what I have given in the above posts illustrates we just might very will be in the time of the end, though, and that it would be wise for everybody to convert, to strengthen their relationship to God, and be ready.
 
They know that and the first action of the CDF in Rome when they took over was to suspend another priest at the centre of these alleged visions.
While off topic, you mention it so I will just say this: That had nothing to do with the Vatican’s Medjugorje Commission and from what I understand happened before the commission was formed. And the priest was not ‘at the center’. That is all…let’s try to stay on the topic of the end times and leave that apparition out of it. There is enough evidence without it to warrant that everybody should be making themselves ready.

As I said, Fatima is the key to understanding we are in the time of the end. The Miracle of the Sun at Fatima was a theophany. A theophany is a supernatural event of the highest order, literally a Divine manifestation. Rare in modern times, other examples in Scripture are when the Israelites gathered before Mt. Sinai and God spoke to them in a voice of thunder, and all the people trembled. The Transfiguration - the voice of the Father heard by the 3 Apostles and the transfiguring of Jesus as well as the appearances of Moses and Elijah, is another example. A theophany registers in the external world - we see it, hear it.
 
Good morning, all,

Personally, I’m convinced that we are at the beginning of the end times. My study of the Holy Bible and current news leads me to this conviction. To be brief, I think that the political, economical, social, geological, meteorological, astronomical and religious events on our planet all put us at the beginning of the end times, at least. To my knowledge, there are only two prophecies yet to be fulfilled before Jesus’ return in Glory, and either and/or both of those could happen any day.

Ironically, Islam Shiites (Shia) also believe this is the End of Days. Please see link:

foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/07/why-irans-top-leaders-believe-that-end-days-has-come/

The only reason I include this link, is because the author states that the leaders of Iran are doing their best to make our times their End of Days.

God loves all of you, lurkers, too,
Don
 
My intention was* not* to start a thread about the end times. I started this thread because of what I stated in my original post.

The point of this thread was to show that since Jesus stated that there would be earthquakes then one of two things must be true: either there would be earthquakes all over the earth simultaneously or that Jesus was prophecying that there would be a global communication, such as the internet or TV. I say simultaneously because if they weren’t, it would just be any other day since earthquakes happen all over the world pretty regularly. Otherwise, there would be no way that people in Turkey would know about earthquakes in Oklahoma or vice versa.

That was the only point I was trying to make. I apologize if I opened up a can of worms for some. I know that can be easy on any forum. 😃
 
After reading about the earthquakes in Oklahoma and living in Southern California, earthquake central, it got me thinking about earthquakes and bible prophecy.

Jesus states that there will be famine, pestilence and earthquakes when the end times are here. This means that either there would be earthquakes on every part of the earth, since Him speaking to people back then would imply that people in other cities and parts of the world would feel the same earthquakes or that he knew that there would be something that would allow the entire planet to communicate instantaneously, the internet and TV, to show the different earthquakes happening around the world. Back then, the people would have understood it to mean that the earthquakes around the world would be simultaneous because there was no universal form of instant communication in those days.

I don’t know if this makes sense and I don’t really know where I’m going with this but I just found it interesting the more I thought about it. I’m trying to figure out an apologetics view to go with this, if there is one.
I think the important thing to remember is that GOD is the cause of all causes…everything is controlled by GOD, even beyond his son, Jesus and any of the Demigods. GOD is also the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end…GOD can end our cosmic manifestation at anytime he decides to…remember, “Like a thief in the night?” Be in godliness and goodness at all times, and remain prepared always…
 
While off topic, you mention it so I will just say this: That had nothing to do with the Vatican’s Medjugorje Commission and from what I understand happened before the commission was formed. And the priest was not ‘at the center’. That is all…let’s try to stay on the topic of the end times and leave that apparition out of it. There is enough evidence without it to warrant that everybody should be making themselves ready.

As I said, Fatima is the key to understanding we are in the time of the end. The Miracle of the Sun at Fatima was a theophany. A theophany is a supernatural event of the highest order, literally a Divine manifestation. Rare in modern times, other examples in Scripture are when the Israelites gathered before Mt. Sinai and God spoke to them in a voice of thunder, and all the people trembled. The Transfiguration - the voice of the Father heard by the 3 Apostles and the transfiguring of Jesus as well as the appearances of Moses and Elijah, is another example. A theophany registers in the external world - we see it, hear it.
wow very informative… always wondered if there was a word for that
 
Good morning, all,

Personally, I’m convinced that we are at the beginning of the end times. My study of the Holy Bible and current news leads me to this conviction. To be brief, I think that the political, economical, social, geological, meteorological, astronomical and religious events on our planet all put us at the beginning of the end times, at least. To my knowledge, there are only two prophecies yet to be fulfilled before Jesus’ return in Glory, and either and/or both of those could happen any day.

Ironically, Islam Shiites (Shia) also believe this is the End of Days. Please see link:

foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/07/why-irans-top-leaders-believe-that-end-days-has-come/

The only reason I include this link, is because the author states that the leaders of Iran are doing their best to make our times their End of Days.

God loves all of you, lurkers, too,
Don
once again right on Don… thanks for headsup on Islam believing end of times now too…

hey i think you should run for president !!!
 
Another smart alex wanting a negative proved. How silly!!
The onus of proof is on Beeliner who said we are “deep into end times”.
I think I proved enough - did you miss the posts? Might want to go back and check out the books referenced in them too!

God bless you.
 
Like I said, honest research. Here is a reputable apologist resource: medjugorje-apologia.com/common_misconceptions_defense.html

Now back to the topic at hand, before I get another infraction and end up being banned.
Currently Medjugorje is an unapproved apparition. But keep in mind that it took the Catholic Church 13 years (after the Miracle of the Sun) and a change of Bishops before Our Lady of Fatima could be approved. The Vatican has taken control of the situation with it’s Medjugorje Commission, and may simply be waiting out the Bishop’s term, just like it did at Fatima.

Currently, of the Church Approved Marian Apparitions concerning end times (Approved by Cardinal Ratzinger Himself – now Pope Benedict), the Akita Apparitions seem to give the most information:

ArguingWithAtheists.com/Pages/Modern_Miracles_Fatima.htm

“Through a message given on October 13th (the anniversary day of the Miracle of the Sun and coinciding with the year of the Roe vs. Wade decision that became responsible for the deaths of over 55 million innocent unborn babies in the US alone), by Our most Holy Mother to Sister Agnes Katsuko Sasagawa in Akita, Japan (declared worthy of belief by Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict, as well as the Local Bishop Ito due to several supporting Miracles) we are told: “If men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the Rosary. With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the Bishops and the Priests. The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the Church in such a way that one will see Cardinals opposing Cardinals, Bishops against other Bishops. The priests who venerate Me will be scorned and opposed by their confreres (other priests). Churches and altars will be sacked. The Church will be full of those who accept compromises, and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to leave the service of the Lord. The demon will be especially implacable against the souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of My sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will no longer be pardon for them. Pray very much the prayers of the Rosary. I alone am able to still save you from the calamities which approach. Those who place their confidence in Me will be saved.” A former Philippine ambassador to the Vatican, Howard Dee, said in a 1998 interview with Inside the Vatican magazine, “Bishop Ito was certain Akita was an extension of Fatima, and Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict) personally confirmed to me that these two messages, (The third Secret of Fatima & the Akita message), are essentially the same.” These prophesies of fire from the sky are Biblically reinforced; “For behold, the Lord will come in fire, and His chariots like the whirlwind, To render His anger with fury, And His rebuke with flames of fire. For the Lord will execute judgment by fire And by His sword on all flesh, And those slain by the Lord will be many” (Isaiah 66:15). “Neither their silver nor their gold Will be able to deliver them On the day of the Lord’s wrath; And all the Earth will be devoured in fire” (Zepheniah 1 - 2).

There are two books that help explain the reasoning for the Great Chastisement; “Akita: The Tears and the Message of Mary” by Father Teiji Yasuda (1989) and “The Meaning of Akita” by John Haffert (1989) ISBN 9781890137052. Through interviews with Sister Agnes, one of the primary reasons for the Great Chastisement is the “murdering of babies in their mother’s wombs”. This multitude of murdered innocents are constantly appealing to God for justice. God hears their cries of grief for being prevented from living out their natural lives on Earth. God communicated that these abortions are painful to the unborn. Sister Agnes experienced these pains, and those near her said it was heartbreaking. We learned through her, that the unborn babies are aware they are being destroyed, and greatly desire to live. Jesus told the Jews: “Do not think that I will condemn you before the Father. The one who will accuse you is Moses.” John 5:45. Through Private Revelations, we learn that the propagators of the unholy silent massacre will be accused before Our Holy Father, “by a sea of multitudes of slaughtered innocents”. And we know this number must be in the billions.
 
I think I proved enough - did you miss the posts? Might want to go back and check out the books referenced in them too!

God bless you.
I re-read all the posts and you have proved nothing. Everything you have claimed is based on pure speculation and your own private interpretations.
Isn’t it amazing that the Church has been silent on this!!
 
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I re-read all the posts and you have proved nothing. Everything you have claimed is based on pure speculation and your own private interpretations.
Isn’t it amazing that the Church has been silent on this!!
St. Faustina’s diary was quoted - this is an approved revelation. John Paul II as Pope of the Church was not silent - he was quoted (and he said it at other times too, even when a cardinal), one of the greatest popes. EWTN was cited. In other words this is not my speculation - John Paul said as much. Blessed Mary said as much to St. Faustina when she urged her to alert people to lean on His Mercy before the Second Coming. Jesus Himself told St. Faustina her diary was to prepare the world for His final coming. These are not my words, they are theirs. So I think somebody is being a bit disingenuous in attributing these words to me. They are not speculation; they are not my interpretation - how do you interpret the words of Jesus and Blessed Mary to St. Faustina? Is there another meaning to ‘final coming’ and ‘Second Coming’ besides the end times?

No matter. It is not my job to convince anybody. The evidence is there, St. Faustina’s diary is online and also quoted by EWTN on that web page below. Everyone is free to accept it or discard it. As a visionary said not too long ago, “It used to hurt me when people didn’t believe me and called me a liar. Why would I lie? Now, I feel sorry for those people because they are wasting time arguing if this is true or not true. Tomorrow or the next day or the next they could be before the God. It is important to be ready for that and not waste this time. This time is a gift.”

The point of discussion is are we in the end times? Here again is that quote from the EWTN website:

It is clear that, like the message of Fátima, the urgency here is the urgency of the Gospel, “repent and believe.” The exact timing is the Lord’s. However, it** is also clear that we have reached some critical phase of the end times** that began with the birth of the Church. To this fact Pope John Paul II alluded at the consecration in 1981 of the Shrine of Merciful Love in Collevalenaza, Italy, when he noted the “special task” assigned to him by God “in the present situation of man, the Church and the world.” In His Encyclical on the Father he urges us "to implore God’s mercy for humanity in this hour of history … to beg for it at this difficult, critical phase of the history of the Church and of the world…

ewtn.com/devotionals/mercy/coming.htm

Good luck and God bless you. Look up and be ready.
 
Look up and be ready.
Thistle should have paid attention to last Sunday’s Gospel reading (Matthew 25). When the Bride Groom (Jesus) comes, it will be the foolish virgins who have no oil. Only the Wise Virgins will be the Bride to Christ.
 
Currently Medjugorje is an unapproved apparition. But keep in mind that it took the Catholic Church 13 years (after the Miracle of the Sun) and a change of Bishops before Our Lady of Fatima could be approved. The Vatican has taken control of the situation with it’s Medjugorje Commission, and may simply be waiting out the Bishop’s term, just like it did at Fatima.
Spot on. I’ve bookmarked your link, thanks for that.
 
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