Abolish the Police

[DeSales111]

Yes, their jobs are dangerous enough, now it’s like they have a target on their back even more. They must feel like I feel when I have to go do work in the housing projects as a civilian, scared too death, constantly looking over their shoulders.

 

[commenter]

Abolishing, or shrinking the police, really means privatization. If you’re in a wealthy neighborhood there likely will be a paid security service. If you’re in a poor neighborhood, either you get your own gun, or you get robbed and assaulted a lot.

 

[Zaccheus]

We need reform. Some places have greater need of reform.
Some places have need of more extensive or even extreme reforms.
There likely are places where it will be enough to remove Internal Affairs and replace it with outside oversight.
There are places where the only reform that will work is to fire the entire force and hire all new people.

 

[Zaccheus]

Abolishing, or shrinking the police, really means privatization. If you’re in a wealthy neighborhood there likely will be a paid security service. If you’re in a poor neighborhood, either you get your own gun, or you get robbed and assaulted a lot.

Having a gun is no protection unless (a) you’re trained in using a gun, and (b) you’re willing to shoot and (c) you get the drop on your attacker. Also it doesn’t help much if there are three of them, all armed, and you’re alone.

 

[PennyinCanada]

There is no voice in media saying that the poor police officers, who have to strap on a gun everyday, and can never be sure that they will see their families at the end of a shift. Their families have to live with that. Not to mention, hostile people will be recording every move they make to be broadcast around the country, for everyone to be your judge and jury if things go wrong, and really, that’s exactly when they are called, when things are going wrong. People high on drugs with weapons. Who wants to go into that situation? There is no mercy for their stress and mental health they deal with every day, while at the same time, people have over reactions to someone wearing a MAGA hat and fly off the handle over someone wearing a tee shirt with a message they don’t like.

You know who’s loving this ‘abolish the police’ stuff? Criminals.

 

[goout]

According to the following NY Times article, the police department should be abolished or at least as a start cut them in one half. “Fewer police officers equals fewer opportunities for them to brutalize and kill people.”
From the article: “When people, especially white people, consider a world without the police, they envision a society as violent as our current one, merely without law enforcement — and they shudder. As a society, we have been so indoctrinated with the idea that we solve problems by policing and caging people that many cannot imagine anything other than prisons and the police as solutions to violence and harm. People like me who want to abolish prisons and police, however, have a vision of a different society, built on cooperation instead of individualism, on mutual aid instead of self-preservation.”
Opinion | Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police - The New York Times
It seems like America has big internal problems that demand attention?

That works great until criminals invade the houses of the NY Times editorial staff, who probably are not living with the huddled masses.

We have a stupidity problem in this country.

 

[Pitcairn17]

If police are eliminated, who will be called in cases of domestic abuse?

I’ve seen that addressed in some of the “abolish” articles: social workers and clergy was the answer. Where all that extra clergy time and availability might come from is unclear.

 

[PennyinCanada]

‘We need reform’. What we really need is the gospel.

 

[signit]

There is no voice in media saying that the poor police officers, who have to strap on a gun everyday, and can never be sure that they will see their families at the end of a shift. Their families have to live with that.

Right.

You don’t hear about the police who do their jobs and put their lives on the line for us every day.

You don’t hear about the people (like me) who the police have helped.

Not to mention, hostile people will be recording every move they make to be broadcast around the country, for everyone to be your judge and jury if things go wrong, and really, that’s exactly when they are called, when things are going wrong.

It’s been said before; police officers have to make life and death decisions and that decision is likely to be criticized.

If the officer discharges the weapon, you’ll see an interview with the suspect’s weeping mother and hear all kinds of sympathy for the suspect.

But if the officer doesn’t discharge the weapon, you might see a police officer’s funeral.

You know who’s loving this ‘abolish the police’ stuff? Criminals.

That’s just common sense.

If you reduce funding for police, put restrictions on police, etc., the rulebreakers will figure out that their chances of getting caught are less, so they’ll be more likely to break rules. Certainly they’re smart enough to know that.

 

[goout]

Where does the NY Times editorial staff live? I want to protest their selective hypocrisy and prejudicial bias. (while wearing a mask of course!!!)

 

[christofirst]

Abolish the Police? But I like the Police.

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[Niblo]

Excellent taste

‘Every breath you take and every move you make
Every bond you break, every step you take, I’ll be watching you
Every single day and every word you say
Every game you play, every night you stay, I’ll be watching you’.

How germane.

 

[commenter]

We need reform. Some places have greater need of reform.
Some places have need of more extensive or even extreme reforms.
There likely are places where it will be enough to remove Internal Affairs and replace it with outside oversight.
There are places where the only reform that will work is to fire the entire force and hire all new people.

Keep in mind the cities that have had the most riots also seem to be those that have long term liberal local government, with a history of police reforms. They had ample opportunity to gradually replace the administration and through affirmative action changed the make up of the force.

I’m not saying Community Policing is bad, that was reform #3, and we were already up to reform #5 before the riots. So sure, consider any new ideas, but don’t put all your hopes on #6.

There’s broader breakdown of morality. The police who use excessive force to get what they want are not that different from the demonstrators who use threat of riots to get government money and power.

Might makes right. Do you think the guards, holding their assault rifles on the perimeter of CHAZ, will be suddenly different if we put a police badge on them?

 

[DaveBj]

Here’s a ramification that no one has mentioned yet – some truck drivers are beginning to say that they will not deliver in areas where the police have been abolished.

Imagine living in an area where UPS or Fedex won’t go, grocery stores can’t get deliveries, etc.

Every action has consequences, and I don’t think that the people in the “abolish-the-police” mob (word used intentionally) have thought this through.

D

 

[commenter]

Here’s a ramification that no one has mentioned yet – some truck drivers are beginning to say that they will not deliver in areas where the police have been abolished.

Imagine living in an area where UPS or Fedex won’t go, grocery stores can’t get deliveries, etc.

Every action has consequences, and I don’t think that the people in the “abolish-the-police” mob (word used intentionally) have thought this through.

D

Ambulances have to detour around certain areas or are caught in protest traffic tieups now. Better hope that is not you next time.

 

[DeSales111]

You got that right! It isn’t ignorance, it’s stupidity at this point.

 

[Maximian]

“The Church’s Social Doctines?” You think so?

 

[Sundiver]

“understand” and “cooperate” with each other?

This all reminds me of how the Obama administration regarded terrorism. Like we can bargain with them.

 

[Sundiver]

Ambulances have to detour around certain areas or are caught in protest traffic tieups now. Better hope that is not you next time.

My nephew is a Paramedic and they have had to find alternate routes many time because of the protests and riots. Sometimes they could not get to the emergency location.

 

[puer.dei]

“The Church’s Social Doctines?” You think so?

Most people just look at the name of the forum. So yes, Social Justice is reasonable.
You could always contact the moderator about moving it.