Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

  • Thread starter Thread starter pieta05
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
So he should have shot Tiller at his clinic while he was performing an abortion?
No. Unfortunately, abortion is a legal act. As discussed earlier, killing him, whether at his abortion clinic or not, would be the equivalent of the pre-Civil War acts of John Brown. I can’t and won’t advocate such acts.

If, and this would be a strange situation, a doctor was forcibly aborting a child in front of me (i.e. against my and my wife’s…or my daughter’s…or my neighbor’s will), I would kill him. That isn’t how it works though…
 
The fact is that by killing Dr. Tiller, he (Tiller) now has lost the opportunity to repent. That should grieve us all. We should not rejoice when a sinner dies without repentance, no matter what his crimes in life.

I hope God has more mercy for him than he (Tiller) had for the unborn.
How do we know he wan’t given another opportunity after death?
 
No. Unfortunately, abortion is a legal act. As discussed earlier, killing him, whether at his abortion clinic or not, would be the equivalent of the pre-Civil War acts of John Brown. I can’t and won’t advocate such acts.
Just b/c it is a legal act does not make it a just law.
If, and this would be a strange situation, a doctor was forcibly aborting a child in front of me (i.e. against my and my wife’s…or my daughter’s…or my neighbor’s will), I would kill him. That isn’t how it works though…
I would think that an abortion is killing a baby against its will, regardless of the will of the mother.
 
well until we know why he was murdered-which we dont as of now-it seems presumptious to assume it was an assassation. not all murders are assassations. but comparing this guy to hitler, that i wont object to.
LOL…so, earlier you claimed that the pro-aborts are behind this…now you are trying to take the “we don’t know” route. Give me a break.

Assuming he was killed by a “misguided extremist,” I feel comfortable with the term assassination. Perhaps, it was murder for some other reason. If that comes out, then we can certainly change the term, if it will make you feel better.
 
Just b/c it is a legal act does not make it a just law.
I didn’t say it was a just law. :mad:
40.png
wabrams:
I would think that an abortion is killing a baby against its will, regardless of the will of the mother.
What you are advocating is against the law and against Church teaching. The moderators have already warned against advocating violence. I happen to agree with them.
 
LOL…so, earlier you claimed that the pro-aborts are behind this…now you are trying to take the “we don’t know” route. Give me a break.

Assuming he was killed by a “misguided extremist,” I feel comfortable with the term assassination. Perhaps, it was murder for some other reason. If that comes out, then we can certainly change the term, if it will make you feel better.
my theory is just that a theory. it is my opinion. the FACT is we dont know why it happened.
 
AP reported, *"The slaying of the 67-year-old doctor is “an unspeakable tragedy,” his widow, four children and 10 grandchildren said in statement. “This is particularly heart-wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace.”
*
How ironic on many levels… the womb is supposed to be a place of peace… and an abortionist attending church? Is that an oxymoron?

For years I have been trying to wrap my mind around this… How could someone perform late term abortions, and/or participate in any type of intrinsic evil, go to church??? How could Tiller, his wife and family be so blind? This has got to be one of the greatest mysteries… Does anyone have any answers? I use to (naively) believe that anyone going to church could be trusted to be a good person…??? But I have found some of the most unkind people…

I am still stunned by this news…
 
That reminds me of Arabs who told me that Israel set up the massacre at Lod airport to get world sympathy. I find your post cynical in the utmost and irresponsible since you cite no shred of evidence to back it up. The shooter has been connected to Operation Rescue, an anti-abortion group in Wichita.
Since you’ve asked aggiecatholic to back up his post with evidence, can you back up the assertion that the shooter has “connections” to Operation Rescue? And what kind of “connections”? That sounds conveniently vague to me.
 
Shooting an usher in church while his wife is in the choir when there are less disruptive options? That sounds pretty heartless to me; I don’t care what justification is alleged.
From the Twitter reports, it sounds as though he was in the lobby with a few other people when he was shot. The news reports make it sound as though he was killed in the middle of a service in the church while his wife was singing. I don’t think those kinds of melodramatic embellishments help anyone… Not that it was right to kill him at all, but at least the media could get the story right.
 
AP reported, *"The slaying of the 67-year-old doctor is “an unspeakable tragedy,” his widow, four children and 10 grandchildren said in statement. “This is particularly heart-wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace.”
*
How ironic on many levels… the womb is supposed to be a place of peace… and an abortionist attending church? Is that an oxymoron?

For years I have been trying to wrap my mind around this… How could someone perform late term abortions, and/or participate in any type of intrinsic evil, go to church??? How could Tiller, his wife and family be so blind? This has got to be one of the greatest mysteries… Does anyone have any answers? I use to (naively) believe that anyone going to church could be trusted to be a good person…??? But I have found some of the most unkind people…

I am still stunned by this news…
He was Lutheran. The Lutheran church teaches that there are morally acceptable reasons why someone can kill an unborn child.
 
this morning i attended a beautiful Pentecost mass. even though we are two hours behind where the killing took place, i had not heard the news before attending the mass. after returning home several hours later i finally got on the internet and saw the news about the doctor being murdered while at his church. my first reaction was shock.

wichita was known for the notorious BTK serial killer who was President of his Lutheran church. now George Tiller is killed inside his Reformed Lutheran Church. my question is, how could both of these men compartamentalize the killing they were doing, whether it was unborn babies or vulnerable women, and at the same time be active church members?

to be honest, i really feel nothing about the murder of the doctor. to me, he was an evil man, although he thought he was doing a good service for women. saddam hussein was an evil man, although on some level i am sure he justified the murder of iraqi people during his reign. the same could be said for Hitler. maybe it is hard to recognize evil in oneself.
however, i would think you would have to be deceiving yourself everyday that you woke up about the acts you had committed.

so far, i have seen little media coverage of this. probably, tomorrow, when more is known about the man they believe killed Dr. George Tiller, i will have more to say.

i don’t know what this will do to the pro-life movement, but if the homeland security is already watchful, it probably won’t help.

someone mentioned that the doctor did not have a chance to repent. i would hope he was repenting every time he went to church. somewhere in the back of his mind, he had to have had the thought that this might happen someday.

anyhow, it was beautiful this morning to feel the unity of the people in the Mass and hear the Bishop speak of the Nicene Creed that we profess. i think i will focus the rest of the day on the message given in the homily by the Bishop rather than this act of murder that occurred this morning in Wichita, Kansas.
 
Latest news identifies the shooter as a Scott Rhoder (not sure on spelling). He reportedly has ties to the Freemen, an anti-government group.
 
From pro-life, conservative, Gateway Pundit blog:

Scott Roeder was convicted back in 1996 on bomb charges.
This guy had issues… and wanted to act on them.

Roeder was a “Freemen” member:
Topeka, Kan. - Preliminary hearing for Scott Roeder, Freemen member charged with possessing bomb parts.
The Freemen are a radical anti-government group.

Roeder was on the FBI’s list as a Freeman member back in 1996 when he was arrested:

3.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SiMq-kEzhYI/AAAAAAAAb0I/aEgAwJdcq0w/s400/roeder+freeman.jpg
Click to Enlarge

He is a pro-lifer, except when he kills abortionists:

This is a reply he had at the Operation Rescue Site:

Scott Roeder Says:
May 19th, 2007 at 4:34 pm
Bleass everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp.
Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn’t seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller.
His comment has since been removed from Operation Rescue’s website.
 
I didn’t say it was a just law. :mad: .
I know you didn’t nor would I ever accuse you of such. I’ve read your posts for several years and would not accuse you of ever condoning abortion.
What you are advocating is against the law and against Church teaching. The moderators have already warned against advocating violence. I happen to agree with them.
You are putting words in my mouth. Not one of my posts even hints at me advocationg violence.
 
Whoever the man was who murdered Dr. Tiller I just pray he was not Catholic. We do not need more scandal in the Church. At this time we have no idea why he did this. Who knows if it was even connected to abortiion.

Let us wait and see the outcome before we come to any judgements.

We can pray for all involved. I understand that some could care less if Dr. Tiller was murdered or not, but it is not for us to take his or someone elses punishment in our hands.

God will judge him and also us. I am surpised that he was a Lutheran, but we must remember that many Catholics also murder their own flesh and blood in the womb.

In fact a step realative at one time had at least four abortions that I know of. We must just keep praying that some way more and more people will wake up to what they are doing. People have been desensitized by the medical field and media. They always refer to the baby as a fetus. I think that creates a detachment from the reality of the baby in the womb being human not just a thing.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
I’ve already read editorials in the Kansas City area calling Operation Rescue a domestic terrorism group.

That is slander, and if I had anything to do with that organization, I would consider sueing.

Operation Rescue has peacefully challenged this abortion clinic and the issue of abortion. They have never advocated vigilantism, and have never promoted violence. Compared to the radical movements of the 1960s, and the people associated with those movements, some of which have been loosely associated with President Obama, Operation Rescue is a cakewalk.

The Wikipedia article on Operation Rescue Kansas claims that the group is associated with “multiple acts of terrorism”. The article goes on to offer not even one sentence supporting the accusation that Operation Rescue is a domestic terrorist group. Rogue individuals, or individual associated with anti-government groups, such as the killer here, are lumped into the same group as any anti-abortion groups.

It will not be long before it becomes if not illegal, dangerous to one’s civil liberties, to belong to an organized anti-abortion movement.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top