Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

[gnjsdad]

My apologies, wabrams, but both you and aggiecatholic05 seem to be defending the murder of this doctor. While I consider abortion the greatest, legalized evil of our day, I can’t minimize the murderous act against Dr. Teller. As someone else said, two wrongs don’t make a right.

You are absolutely correct. Murder, even of a hired killer like Tiller, can never be justified.

Violence begets violence is the unfortunate lesson here.

 

[system]

:tsktsk:

That is not the same thing. Had the old man followed the 3 young black men to their homes or church and walked up and shot them, then it would be the same. I’m dismayed at anyone that justifies Dr. Tiller’s murder/assassination.

I think that means you have well-formed conscience and a good understanding of the Catholic faith!

 

[Angels_Unaware]

Yeah, cause she sure doesn’t matter in this equation.

Hmm… woman is 7 months pregnant with a viable child with Down Syndrome.

SHE is just soooo overwhelmed psychologically by the thought of having a “retarded” child. SHE just can’t take it. Mother is told there are hundreds of families waiting to adopt Down Syndrome children. SHE doesn’t want to give her baby up for adoption, because then she’d have to acknowedge there was a real human being inside of her.

George Tiller tells her he can take of the problem, so the viable fetus who could easily live were it to be prematurely delivered has its skull crushed inside the womb. Because us women and our sensitive and private emotional needs are so important.

Yeah, I’d say, SHE doesn’t matter one bit.

 

[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

i was thinking the exact same thing today. i am sure they were well off. quite sickening to think about.

According to Bill O’Reilly, in an interview with a remorseful woman who had an abortion by Tiller’s hand, he charged $5,000 per late-term abortion.

 

[ilovekittens]

It is hard to have sympathy for any one who could marry, or even befriend a complete murderer and loser like Tiller.

Like someone said, do you feel bad for Eva Braun? Pol Pot’s wife? They know who they are in bed with.

Then you’re not much of a Christian. We can hate the sin but we have to love the sinner, whether it is Pol Pot or Dr. Tiller or Adolf freaking Hitler.

And, frankly, to read to George Tiller’s biography, he is really something. No matter how much we may abhor abortion, he deserves some respect. I think he really thought he was doing the right thing for his patients. After years of threats and demonization and a previous attempt on his life, he continued to provide this legal (remember, legal) medical service to women in need. If he was in it for the money or something, he no doubt would have changed his practice years ago.

 

[Angels_Unaware]

Wow…a what terrible thing to say. I don’t particularly feel great sympathy for Dr. Tiller, but I should. Jesus taught us that we should. If that is “pompous” and “manipulative,” then how do you feel about Our Lord’s and the Church’s teaching in these matters?

Once again, this is nothing but manipulation on your part. What, I wonder, is your motivation?

Sorry, but NOT feeling sympathy for someone is not sinful, and not un-Christian and says nothing about what one believes about the Church’s teachings.

A lack of human emotion for a person is not sinful. You may want it to be, but you would be theologically incorrect.

I do not advocate the murder of Dr. Tiller, and it was a tragedy for the pro-life movement. That does not mean I feel sorry for him or his family.

 

[siamesecat]

Terrible situation.

At first I could almost see the pro-life side, considering late-term abortions are horrific.

But after reading more about him, I actually admire him. These abortions were done on fetuses who had no brains or suffered other horrific disorders who would suffer and die soon after birth. One fetus had developed cancer and was already suffering without pain medication in the mother’s womb (I didn’t realize that could happen). While I understand the Catholic perspective that one should never kill, as this is a secular nation, I think these abortions are merciful and entirely appropriate. I cannot condemn him - also some of the women were in serious danger but not enough to get a “health risk” exemption in some states, and needed the abortion to avoid worse harm.

I get the pro-life perspective, but not in this case, except for on purely religious grounds . These weren’t women who woke up one day weeks from birth and went “eh…i’d rather have a baby of a different gender. I’m going to get an abortion!” This violence is never right, but if you were to target someone, it shouldn’t be this guy IMO. His website offered funeral services and things like holding the fetus afterwards - clearly, this wasn’t the act of an evil guy and a careless woman/couple - it was heartbroken couples mourning the loss of a severely disabled fetus that they wish could have survived, and a man helping them. I don’t look at this guy like I do most abortion doctors.

 

[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

Then you’re not much of a Christian. We can hate the sin but we have to love the sinner, whether it is Pol Pot or Dr. Tiller or Adolf freaking Hitler.

And, frankly, to read to George Tiller’s biography, he is really something. No matter how much we may abhor abortion, he deserves some respect. I think he really thought he was doing the right thing for his patients. After years of threats and demonization and a previous attempt on his life, he continued to provide this legal (remember, legal) medical service to women in need. If he was in it for the money or something, he no doubt would have changed his practice years ago.

If Bill O’Reilly was correct, and Tiller was covering up child sexual abuse by aborting pregnancies in children as young as 10, he really was “something”. But not in a good way.

 

[Agatina]

This is awful for the Pro-Life cause.
“You live by the sword; you die by the sword”. An old saying.
The murderer was murdered.
May God have Mercy on us all.
How come all the Pro-Aborts (on TV) are shocked & horrified because this man (I can’t call him a doctor) was killed & it is murder. But they don’t get it that all these babies are killed and it is murder?
I feel upset & sad by the whole situation. The killing of babies & the killing of this man.
Right now, I’m not able to pray for the soul of this murdered man. But it seems he has the whold country praying for him so maybe he doesn’t need me too.
I love my God & don’t want to grieve Him. I love all the unborn so much.

 

[sharmin]

Why don’t you ask the next Jewish person you meet whether he or she feels sorry for Eva Braun?

So you have no sympathy for his 10 grandchildren who are morning him? Or his own children? They did nothing wrong here…they are victims too. And, no, that doesn’t take away from the abortion victims. As human beings, we are capable of having deep enough emotions that can make us feel sorry for both sets of victims.

 

[sharmin]

It is hard to have sympathy for any one who could marry, or even befriend a complete murderer and loser like Tiller.

Hmmm…I don’t recall his kids or grandchildren having a choice in the matter.

Like someone said, do you feel bad for Eva Braun? Pol Pot’s wife? They know who they are in bed with.

True, but chances are this man Tiller began his career of providing abortions AFTER they wed. Either way, how can we pretend to know the workings of her heart?

That doesn’t mean I endorse his murder. Beside, who said Christian = perfect human being? You act as though a public message board is a good litmus test for a group of people. How do you even know we are all Christian?

I am not saying anyone is not a good Christian. I simply said this does not sound like a Christian board. A man was murdered. He was not a good man, granted, but his life was taken. He left behind INNOCENT people who are morning him. And we, as Christians, say “eh-too bad for them!” Why?

 

[Angels_Unaware]

So you have no sympathy for his 10 grandchildren who are morning him? Or his own children? They did nothing wrong here…they are victims too. And, no, that doesn’t take away from the abortion victims. As human beings, we are capable of having deep enough emotions that can make us feel sorry for both sets of victims.

Did you miss where I answered this?

What you WILL for a person is either in line with God’s will or is sinful.

Not what you FEEL for a person. It is not sinful to feel no emotion for his family.

I am sorry that his ten grandchildren have been brain washed by his children and by the Tiller family. THAT is what I feel sorry about.

 

[sharmin]

I hate to say it, but his family was willing to benefit financially for years from the slaughter of the unborn. How can someone feel good about earning money from abortion? How can you happily open Christmas presents knowing where the money came from to make Christmas jolly? It’s just those kinds of things that I can’t help but think about, the complicity of his family in his evil deeds.

Oh my gosh. Are you really blaming his children and grandchildren for his actions now because they exchanged Christmas presents with their dad/grandfather??!!??!! Is this a joke? Little Johnny plays with the firetruck Daddy gave him. He is now complicit with evil deeds. Ridiculous.

I pray it’s just emotions getting the best of people.

 

[sharmin]

Did you miss where I answered this?

I must have also missed where I called you sinful.

 

[ilovekittens]

If Bill O’Reilly was correct, and Tiller was covering up child sexual abuse by aborting pregnancies in children as young as 10, he really was “something”. But not in a good way.

I have no idea what you’re talking about, and since you reference such a partisan loudmouth as Mr. O’Reilly, I automatically doubt its truth, but, if a 10 year-old girl was made pregnant by sexual abuse/rape, then I think abortion would be much more acceptable than forcing such the child to bear a child herself.

 

[Angels_Unaware]

Oh my gosh. Are you really blaming his children and grandchildren for his actions now because they exchanged Christmas presents with their dad/grandfather??!!??!! Is this a joke? Little Johnny plays with the firetruck Daddy gave him. He is now complicit with evil deeds. Ridiculous.

I pray it’s just emotions getting the best of people.

Sharmin, this is blatant manipulation. What is your motivation?

Are you asking us if we would not be moved to hear a six-year old child cry in fear and pain hearing that his grandfather has died?

You are being ridiculous. OF COURSE people would. So what? This is a red herring. What is your point? I have a hard time believing that your point is that we should all turn our attention to the grieving Tiller family. Why are searching for an enemy here? For somebody who is “unchristian”?

 

[wabrams]

And, frankly, to read to George Tiller’s biography, he is really something. No matter how much we may abhor abortion, he deserves some respect. I think he really thought he was doing the right thing for his patients. After years of threats and demonization and a previous attempt on his life, he continued to provide this legal (remember, legal) medical service to women in need. If he was in it for the money or something, he no doubt would have changed his practice years ago.

Brave soul he was, still had the intestinal fortitude to murder children day after day despite the threats against him. Give me a break.

Just remember: German soldiers continued to legally kill Jews (remember, legal), despite the Allies push toward Germany. I’m, sure you feel they were really something, too, huh? Hey, they thought they were doing the right thing for Germany.

 

[sharmin]

I must bow out. This thread is much too disturbing to me.

 

[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

Oh my gosh. Are you really blaming his children and grandchildren for his actions now because they exchanged Christmas presents with their dad/grandfather??!!??!! Is this a joke? Little Johnny plays with the firetruck Daddy gave him. He is now complicit with evil deeds. Ridiculous.

I pray it’s just emotions getting the best of people.

His wife and adult children were certainly complicit by benefiting from his line of business. I wouldn’t accept a gift that was bought from an abortion, would you?

 

[sharmin]

Sharmin, this is blatant manipulation. What is your motivation?

My motivation is simply to have to see how twisted your logic sounds. I feel sorry for you, for the hatred you have for innocent victims. Obviously, abortion has many innocent victims. I’m glad you grieve for the unborn ones, but this man’s family members are also victims of abortion. Why don’t you grieve for them?

Are you asking us if we would not be moved to hear a six-year old child cry in fear and pain hearing that his grandfather has died?

You are being ridiculous. OF COURSE people would.

Um, no. I was specifically responding to a poster who said they would NOT feel sympathy for his family’s grief. So, if you would, I’m glad. I must not have been talking about you then.

So what? This is a red herring. What is your point? I have a hard time believing that your point is that we should all turn our attention to the grieving Tiller family. Why are searching for an enemy here? For somebody who is “unchristian”?

No, that is not my point. My point is that, as Christian, we should feel sorry for all victims. Not just the ones who further our pro life agenda.

I said I was backing out of this, with my previous post, and I sincerely wish I had. I feel sick. I will back out now.