Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

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TLM08 said:
Perhaps we should just consider Dr. Tiller’s death a very, very, very late term abortion.
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Give that shooter 90 days in jail for cruelty to animals!

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This is not the way to find your way home…This way of thinking will insure and cement that nothing will change Not cool!
 
joe_clark said:
This is not the way to find your way home…This way of thinking will insure and cement that nothing will change Not cool!
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I agree. This is the kind of post I am talking about. This may vent anger but makes us look very bad.
 
Violence leads to more violence. Like I said before? What if people who were abused by others in the church decided to exact their revenge, their justice, and just took a few out? Is that justice, an eye for an eye? Is this OK?

People who are on the edge only need a little bump to go this way, that is why mob rule never works, it only backfires in your face. The satisfaction the few feel in the murder of this DR, will be shortlived.
 
pnewton said:
Just war and the death penalty are always actions taken by legitimate authority. It is to legal authority that obligation to protect the innocent falls. Consider how many denominations have split over their own interpretation of the Bible. We cannot allow every man to interpret justice for themselves, even in cases like this.
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But how do we know what is legitimate? Many people believe both Bush and Obama were not legitimately elected - if Obama isn’t a true authority, shouldn’t we ban the death penalty and end the war? How do you tell?
 
I condemn this murder. If would have been better if he died of natural causes, like another poster said. Preferably after the license was revoked. That way his death would not be considered some sort of “martyrdom” for the pro abortion advocates. However, they’d still find a way to blame pro lifers for this death, even if it was of natural causes.

Pray for his soul. God is merciful, but I think even HE will have a hard time…
 
FoxNews just reported that Eric Holder has sent marshals to “protect some unnamed individuals” from any harm.

Gee …
DO YOU THINK THAT THEY ARE SENT TO PROTECT THE UN-NAMED INDIVIDUALS IN THE WOMB???

yeah, right. Can’t have the administration worrying about those “punishments” in the womb.

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Here is the reason I am having such a hard time saying the shooting of Tiller was as evil as the abortions he’s performed:

If there were a serial killer of, say, three year-old boys, many states in this country would sentence him to the death penalty. Tiller was a serial killer of unborn babies, but our government currently allows such killings, so Tiller’s killer took the law into his own hands…:confused:
 
well, there’s a late term abortionist in Bellevue Nebraska that justifies jabbing a baby’s head with scissors and collapsing his/her skull for “health reasons”…He was one of the abortionists that worked at Tiller’s death mill. In fact, he was the one on duty when Christin Gilbert and her baby were both murdered.
 
jediliz said:
I condemn this murder. If would have been better if he died of natural causes, like another poster said. Preferably after the license was revoked. That way his death would not be considered some sort of “martyrdom” for the pro abortion advocates. However, they’d still find a way to blame pro lifers for this death, even if it was of natural causes.

Pray for his soul. God is merciful, but I think even HE will have a hard time…
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I guess this reason is the only one I can actually accept as to why I should decry the murder of Tiller.
 
MrS said:
FoxNews just reported that Eric Holder has sent marshals to “protect some unnamed individuals” from any harm.

Gee …
DO YOU THINK THAT THEY ARE SENT TO PROTECT THE UN-NAMED INDIVIDUALS IN THE WOMB???

yeah, right. Can’t have the administration worrying about those “punishments” in the womb.

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I tried finding the newslink, but couldn’t but wasn’t Father Pavone the victim of death threats following the election? WHERE ARE THE MARSHALS GUARDING HIM?
 
Frank Schaeffer:
My late father and I share the blame (with many others) for the murder of Dr. George Tiller the abortion doctor gunned down on Sunday. Until I got out of the religious right (in the mid-1980s) and repented of my former hate-filled rhetoric I was both a leader of the so-called pro-life movement and a part of a Republican Party hate machine masquerading as the moral conscience of America.
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I was surprised by what seems to be a complete cover up of Tiller’s heinous acts against the unborn in an article that I read on CNN’s website last night. The glowing report about this man was surprising considering the fact that he gave late-term abortions to women for reasons such as, I want to go to a concert and don’t want to be pregnant when I’m there and I want to be in a rodeo and can’t compete because I’m pregnant. He gave these women abortions after 20 weeks! Perfectly healthy babies… Yet CNN reports that he only gave a few late-term abortions to horribly deformed babies. The manipulation by some media to hide the truth from the public about Tiller’s deeds is shocking. I’ve seen this false report, that he only aborted “horribly deformed” babies repeated here on this thread… He was known for advertising to do late-term abortions for any reason for $5,000. When there was no legitimate “legal” reason for a late-term abortion, he would list “temporary depression of the mother” as the reason. That’s why he was investigated. He was performing “illegal” late-term abortions on hundreds and hundreds of perfectly good babies. And there is no mention in the liberal media that he was accused of covering up child sex abuse in children as young as 10, by aborting and not reporting to authorities. This man had a multi-million dollar abortion mill industry. So, yes, it is sad that this abortionist was killed yesterday in an act of violence. Vigilante justice is never the right answer to the outrage of abortion. But yesterday’s killer took the life of ONE by his hand. Tiller took the lives of 60,000 human beings. Let’s keep things in perspective here. Violence begets violence. Tiller perpetuated violence in the womb Monday through, what Friday? Saturday? For days, weeks, years, decades. Yesterday, the violence came back to him in one day. A tragedy all around. But Tiller is not a martyr. May God have mercy on his soul.
 
SourGrape said:
Here is the reason I am having such a hard time saying the shooting of Tiller was as evil as the abortions he’s performed:

If there were a serial killer of, say, three year-old boys, many states in this country would sentence him to the death penalty. Tiller was a serial killer of unborn babies, but our government currently allows such killings, so Tiller’s killer took the law into his own hands…:confused:
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I understand, SourGrape, but we don’t need to, & probably shouldn’t care which was more evil. Both acts are evil. We need to recognize it & not feel either is justified. I do feel it’s justified to feel less sadness about one death or murder than another, though. But this murder of Tiller upsets me for lots of reasons, though.
 
Oh, melodrama! Play your violins for thee!

Then all of the people that supported Tiller, abortion and even prevented legislation from touching him are responsible for the 60,000 children that he violently killed in the womb. There is nothing more strident than an ex- anything. The author of this article is case in point.
 
May God have mercy on his soul; and may God have mercy on the individual who shot and killed him. 😦

You do not fight one evil… with another evil. :nope: This act goes against everything which Our Lord, Jesus Christ taught us. The person who did this… was NOT acting in the name of the “Pro-Life” movement.

Our Lady of Guadalupe, pray for your children in the United States.
 
wanner47 said:
The fact is that by killing Dr. Tiller, he (Tiller) now has lost the opportunity to repent. That should grieve us all. We should not rejoice when a sinner dies without repentance, no matter what his crimes in life.

I hope God has more mercy for him than he (Tiller) had for the unborn.
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I wouldn’t say he lost the opportunity to repent.

The opportunity was always there. He just never used it. To say that he didn’t is to say that God was unfair to him?

Could it be that this violence was allowed was because God knows he wouldn’t repent, so why continue to spare his life. After all, he was spared once years ago. He’s a fool if he thought there was no more threat to his well being.

Recall the parable of the fig tree:

“Look here, for three years now I have been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and finding none. Cut it down: why should it be taking up the ground?” “Sir,” the man replied, “leave it one more year and give me time to dig round it and manure it: it may bear fruit next year; if not, then you can cut it down.”

I can’t sympathize for his death, it’s one less evil in this world to be honest; but it’s unfortunate that his death has to end this way.
 
DeoSalvatoreMeo said:
I was surprised by what seems to be a complete cover up of Tiller’s heinous acts against the unborn in an article that I read on CNN’s website last night. The glowing report about this man was surprising considering the fact that he gave late-term abortions to women for reasons such as, I want to go to a concert and don’t want to be pregnant when I’m there and I want to be in a rodeo and can’t compete because I’m pregnant. He gave these women abortions after 20 weeks! Perfectly healthy babies… Yet CNN reports that he only gave a few late-term abortions to horribly deformed babies. The manipulation by some media to hide the truth from the public about Tiller’s deeds is shocking. I’ve seen this false report, that he only aborted “horribly deformed” babies repeated here on this thread… He was known for advertising to do late-term abortions for any reason for $5,000. When there was no legitimate “legal” reason for a late-term abortion, he would list “temporary depression of the mother” as the reason. That’s why he was investigated. He was performing “illegal” late-term abortions on hundreds and hundreds of perfectly good babies. And there is no mention in the liberal media that he was accused of covering up child sex abuse in children as young as 10, by aborting and not reporting to authorities. This man had a multi-million dollar abortion mill industry. So, yes, it is sad that this abortionist was killed yesterday in an act of violence. Vigilante justice is never the right answer to the outrage of abortion. But yesterday’s killer took the life of ONE by his hand. Tiller took the lives of 60,000 human beings. Let’s keep things in perspective here. Violence begets violence. Tiller perpetuated violence in the womb Monday through, what Friday? Saturday? For days, weeks, years, decades. Yesterday, the violence came back to him in one day. A tragedy all around. But Tiller is not a martyr. May God have mercy on his soul.
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That is horrible but not surprising. The media reports & the turning of this man in to an innocent martyr are going to be awful. This is what this act of violence has opened us up to. I know from experience that complaining to CNN & reminding them of the facts does nothing. We should do this respectfully, anyway, though.
 
This is a cached version of Tiller’s website that is still available on the web, even though his site has been shut down:
At Women’s Health Care Services, we specialize in “late” abortion care. We are able to perform elective abortions to the time in the pregnancy when the fetus is viable. Viability is not a set point in time. Viability is determined by the attending physician and is based on sonogram results, physical examination and last menstrual period date (if known). Our telephone counselors will ask you a number of medical questions to determine if you are eligible for an elective abortion. If you have visited another clinic or physician, we will ask for the results from a recent ultrasound.
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Kansas law allows for post-viability abortion procedures when continuing the pregnancy is detrimental to the pregnant woman’s health. Each person’s circumstances are reviewed on a case-by-base basis. Please call so that we can discuss admission criteria with you.
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This is the cached page:

74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:fb8WTXiiwRIJ:www.drtiller.com/elect.html+%22late+abortion+care%22+tiller&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

It doesn’t say anywhere that only horribly deformed babies are aborted late-term, it says viable babies will be terminated when it’s detrimental to the woman. He was investigated for performing illegal abortions because he frequently used the diagnosis of “temporary depression of the mother” as a phrase to indicate that there was no “valid” medical reason for the abortion. Sebelius wouldn’t allow the law to touch him though. Too much lobby money… So, she protected him and he was “set free” to keep on keepin’ on.
 
“And a second is like it, You SHALL love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mt 22:39) (emphasis mine)

“For to love God is to love oneself in truth; to help another human being to love God is to love another man; to be helped by another human being to love God is to be loved.”

I feel neither love nor compassion for George Tiller. He is dead. Nor do I feel love or compassion for the 20 some people who are in my local paper’s obituary today, nor the thousands of people who will die today in America. The infinite wellspring of love is God. I choose to avoid that blasphemy!

It is our CHRISTIAN DUTY to love—the living.

The passion I do feel is anger: I am angry for the thousands of babies that are killed each day by abortion; I am angry at all those who participate in this atrocity; I am angry with a culture that doesn’t recognize the atrocity.

“…Holy is his name, and his mercy reaches
from age to age
for those who fear him…” (From the Magnificat)

Herein lies the problem: even within the Church, there are few (I believe) who fear God. To my mind, the proper emotion in all this should be FEAR—fear and trembling. All of us, no exceptions.
 
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