Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

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wanner47 said:
I was quite clear that the just war doctrine is not applicable in this instance – specifically, Tiller’s murder. I was not commenting on other situations that in which Catholics may find themselves (e.g., Nazi Germany).

I’m just getting really, really tired of all the “Tiller’s killer was justified because of the just war doctrine!11!!” posts on this thread.
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Wanner, I agree with you. Tiller may have broken God’s law, but he did not break man’s law. If we go around punishing people in God’s name, then we are no better then the Muslim extremist who beat their women for showing too much skin, because God said it was wrong.

Our responsibility on this earth is not to invoke God’s punishment on each other. How dare anyone punish another in God’s name! God gave us free will, if we blow it, we are accountable to him and to him only.

I believe Jesus said, give to Ceasar what is Caesar’s and give to God what is God.
Tiller, did not break man’s law. Man had no right to punish him. Tiller did break God’s law and only God has the right to punish him.
 
sweetcharity said:
Wanner, I agree with you. Tiller may have broken God’s law, but he did not break man’s law. If we go around punishing people in God’s name, then we are no better then the Muslim extremist who beat their women for showing too much skin, because God said it was wrong.

Our responsibility on this earth is not to invoke God’s punishment on each other. How dare anyone punish another in God’s name! God gave us free will, if we blow it, we are accountable to him and to him only.

I believe Jesus said, give to Ceasar what is Caesar’s and give to God what is God.
Tiller, did not break man’s law. Man had no right to punish him. Tiller did break God’s law and only God has the right to punish him.
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We don’t know what moved his killer to act. He may have had “cause,” and therefore Tiller was complicit in his own death.
 
sweetcharity said:
Thank you, wanner for your reply. I’m assuming the abortions that Dr. T preformed were not all due to forceably conceived pregnancies. It would seem that he was breaking the rules of his own church.

So I’m still in wonderment at how anyone could worship at a church that allowed him to be an usher.

Please note that I have no negative feelings about him attending the chuch, however, I do have an issue with the church as it appears that no one, or at least no one with authority, objected to his public representation of that church.
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What is there to wonder about.

This church believe in abortion so of course the members will have no qualm about it.

“A developing life in the womb does not have an absolute right to be born”
 
sweetcharity said:
Wanner, I agree with you. Tiller may have broken God’s law, but he did not break man’s law.

I believe Jesus said, give to Ceasar what is Caesar’s and give to God what is God.
Tiller, did not break man’s law. Man had no right to punish him. Tiller did break God’s law and only God has the right to punish him.
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God’s law and the** natural law are what man’s laws* are based on***-or should be. That’s why man’s law punishes men for murder…and why good men sometimes violate an unjust man’s law to obey a Higher law-God’s law/.(in the case of slavery, abortion, torture, etc.)
And sometimes God’s wrath is manifested through natural disasters(ie.floods-see Genesis)
and often times through out salvation history, when the “faithful” broke faith with God, He allowed their enemies to overtake them. Some striking similarities** here,no?
 
Are we sure it’s somebody with pro-life? Do we know it wasn’t a pro-abortionist or a mother who was a patient/victim of his? Anyway, may God have mercy on George Tiller’s and GT’s Murderer’s soul.
 
Wanner47,
Your post way on up the line about the ELCA & abortion. That is why husband & I left the ELCA and came home to Rome. Also they are on their way to having homosexual ministers. It will come sooner or later.
I can’t even imagine going to a church with a member who was/is an abortion doctor. I would have to leave.
How can a believer kill babies for a living & all these people ar friends with them & worship with them. I say them because the wife is in the choir & they are a couple and she surely knows where their $ come from.
 
rlg94086;5269375 However said:
:sad_bye: I can testify to the fact that*** you are making progress since the
Nayda Suleman thread…if you can put sorrow for Tiller* over sorrow for her-that’s** MAJOR** progress. :bighanky:
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sweetcharity said:
If we go around punishing people in God’s name, then we are no better then the Muslim extremist who beat their women for showing too much skin, because God said it was wrong.
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Critical difference: the Muslims are wrong. God didn’t say that their women are wrong. They are mistaken.

It’s a long-held Catholic principle that using lethal force to protect innocent life–even lethal force, and even in opposition to civil authority–can, in certain circumstances, be completely justified. This is not such a circumstance, and what Mr. Roeder did was wrong, but all true law is based on the natural law, which is rooted in the divine law, which is rooted in God. The inalienable rights that come from that law are precisely what Jesus Christ calls us to uphold–and, in the civil, political, police, and military arenas, to protect, encourage, and enforce.
 
I object to the title of this thread. George Tiller was no doctor. He was a murderer. :mad: That said, he still had the same right to life as the unborn children that were murdered by him on a daily basis. 👍
 
Whether or not we consider Dr. Tiller a criminal deserving of capital punishment, he deserved like anyone a fair trial.

Shooting him was indefensible, not justice, “vigilante” or any other kind.

Moreover, if we were really to seek complete justice through “executing” those responsible for the deaths of the unborn by abortion, why do we stop with the abortionists?

Abortionists don’t abduct pregnant women from the streets and force them to have “the procedure.” The women themselves, the men who impregnated them, often also or even primarily their family and friends, seek “the service.” Society in general condones or even encourages this “solution” to the “problem” of unwanted human beings. On a certain level, it is an injustice to an abortionist like Tiller to punish him without punishing as well everyone complicit in his actions. Indeed, in a certain sense he was but the accomplice to other people’s decided courses of action and an agent of a collective will.

Now all this does not take away from the fact that the woman who has an abortion done is in a very real sense a victim herself. Can there be such a thing as a “criminal-less” crime? Can a crime be combatted if there is no criminal to hold to account?
 
Sometimes it is good to keep things simple.
Even though abortion is legal in the USA it is wrong the way slavery was legal but also wrong.
This man Geo. Tiller killed babies for a living. To many of us that is murder.
The killing of Geo. Tiller was murder.
His family who so many feel so sorry for benefited from his work as a baby killer. Ill gotten money.
Lord Jesus surround this whole sordid situation with your love & peace & your understanding because dear Lord no matter how hard I try I can’t understand the killing of the innocent & I love them so much.
As far as the one who killed Geo. Tiller; also don’t understand. I don’t feel love for him or for Geo Tiller, though.
I can pray for their immortal souls and I can pray for their family’s.
I will never understand the Reformation Lutheran Church. I wonder if they had had a less accepting attitude if theycould have reformed him? Brought him to repentance?
Sent in Love of the Lord,
and in Love of all the unborn babies.
 
Long thread folks, :eek:
After reading all the posts I have to say I feel sorry for Tiller for 2 reasons
1……. Where he possibly is today :confused:
2…… His life was cut sort eliminating his chance to repent before he faced God. 😊
[Be ready as I come like a thief in the night]
I also have to feel sorry for the murderer why did he do this? :rolleyes:
What caused him to do this? :ehh:
Was he sane at the time? :onpatrol:
I don’t know but as it stands he crossed the line he committed murder [mortal sin] he possibly would have stopped the murder of an innocent sweet child that was going to be slaughtered the next working day, but it was still wrong.
So I pray for the murder’s soul. I always pray for the holy souls in purgatory as I cannot judge anyone……… I feel much better doing that, rather than specifically praying for Tiller as that would compel me to pray for Hitler :curtsey:
 
We should not be mourning him but instead his innocent victims.

Well what’s done is done, when he died he did not repent for his crimes, so he will face a negative judgment from God consigning him to hell.
 
Melvin said:
I just wonder…is there anything that would ever make a “legitimate authority” illegitimate? And, by the way…who determines that an “authority” is legitimate in the first place?

Inquiring (but befuddled) minds want to know…🤷

Melvin
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If Roe v Wade were to be overturned, abortionists would be prosecuted in the same way as war criminals are.
 
KC91 said:
We should not be mourning him but instead his innocent victims.

Well what’s done is done, when he died he did not repent for his crimes, so he will face a negative judgment from God consigning him to hell.
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I’ll mourn the babies, their families & Tiller & his family, thanks. Honestly, I don’t mean to get too frustrated with you, but I’ll weep for Jesus who just might be discouraged with His Church today. Jesus shed His blood for Tiller & loved Him. He needs us to be His Hearts & Hands on this earth. When Jesus walked the earth, He spent His time with sinners & the dregs of society. If He walked the earth today, I’m pretty sure He would try to heal the hearts of abortionists.

I know it’s frustrating to tolerate what Tiller did, but honestly, how do you know he did not repent in his last moments before death? Is it our place to say for certain that he is in hell? Of course not! I could never condone what he did, but I can’t condone this kind of anger & hate, either.
 
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