Abortion is genocide

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MiserereMeiDei said:
People who watch pornography have less sex.
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I’m not sure if your data reliable, and even if it is true for some cases, it may not be true for many other cases.

The harmful effect of porn is the philosophy it offers its viewers: The promotion of sex as entertainment apart from reproduction responsibility. The tolerance toward adultery. The dehumanizing of humans by exploiting their sexuality for selfish pleasure of the audience. The financial gain from immorality as commodity. Tolerance toward indecence & violence toward woman & children. Remove the consequence of STD. mental & emotional illnesses from the picture of freesex behavior. The removal of the identity of the people in porn as if they are nobody.

Those are the deep and wide range of promiscuity porn promote & offer to the audience. Consequently, those who accept porn, accept those philosophy too.

This is how the genocide happens. It starts from the fact that men & women accept evil values unto their own sexuality.
 
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jzea1992 said:
Exactly. And what about formication the big driving factor behind abortion
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Fornication is promoted by porn. People accept it as okay. A new normal.

If a big business run a campaign that fornication is okay, that is different than mere temptation. That causes many many fornications, hence many many abortions.
 
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francisca.chapter3 said:
The harmful effect of porn is the philosophy it offers its viewers: The promotion of sex as entertainment apart from reproduction responsibility. The tolerance toward adultery. The dehumanizing of humans by exploiting their sexuality for selfish pleasure of the audience. The financial gain from immorality as commodity. Tolerance toward indecence & violence toward woman & children. Remove the consequence of STD. mental & emotional illnesses from the picture of freesex behavior. The removal of the identity of the people in porn as if they are nobody.

Those are the deep and wide range of promiscuity porn promote & offer to the audience. Consequently, those who accept porn, accept those philosophy too.
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I agree with everything you said there, which is why I said I’d gladly see it abolished.
francisca.chapter3 said:
I’m not sure if your data reliable, and even if it is true for some cases, it may not be true for many other cases.
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There are plenty of studies. I’m sure you can find them with a quick search. The issue of some cases vs other cases is irrelevant as this is a societal wide phenomena, not anecdotes. Pornography affects people physically as well as psychologically. Those effects lead toward less sex taking place throughout the whole of society. Of course there are individuals who have more sex, but generally speaking, viewers of pornography have less sex, not more. They view more sex, but they have less of it.
francisca.chapter3 said:
This is how the genocide happens. It starts from the fact that men & women accept evil values unto their own sexuality.
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The genocide of unborn people predates the proliferation of pornography. However, you’re right, it coincides quite well with the acceptance of evil values with regard to sexual activity beginning with the drastic increase in sexual promiscuity begun in the 60’s and the advent of “the pill.”
 
francisca.chapter3 said:
This is how the genocide happens. It starts from the fact that men & women accept evil values unto their own sexuality.
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This is what I referred to earlier. If you insist on redefining terms to suit your own agenda then aswell as turning people away from tbe discussion you lend an air of confusion.

Are you referring to actual genocide or abortion? I have no idea what ‘evil values unto their sexuality’ means.
 
Why is it necessary to call abortion genocide? Does that make it worse than it already was? It’s not like I’m defending abortion in any way, but what is to be gained by inaccurately attaching a description to abortion that can only damage the credibility of those promoting the inaccurate label?

Of course forced abortion by the government could be used as a tool in a genocide. But that does not describe any abortions in the US, only some of the abortions world-wide. If one is interested in opposing abortion in the US, it is not profitable to muddy the waters by calling it something that it isn’t.
 
When I went to Catholic school no sin was any greater than another. Thy shall not kill is a sin for the mother and the person who did the abortion.
I don’t understand how we made this sin the most important. I believe having ANOTHER God before our one true God is the most important.
This is what we are doing when we elevate one sin over another.
Remember God forgives us for All of our sin when we ask Him too.

God Bless
 
Pretty sure an investigation into the history of this will point to the Republican Party…
 
Females don’t make decision this lightly . There are many reasons why they may choose to make it and nobody except the woman can fully understand this decision. Women will face judgement and predjuice whichever decision they make which is horribly unfair. I love being a catholic but I can clearly see how unequally and unfairly women are treated both in and out of this religion
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Of course forced abortion by the government could be used as a tool in a genocide. But that does not describe any abortions in the US, only some of the abortions world-wide. If one is interested in opposing abortion in the US, it is not profitable to muddy the waters by calling it something that it isn’t.
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Porn is a worldwide problem, so is abortion a worldwide problem too. Internet is worldwide. We have issue of privacy too.

This privacy issue will shape how we define freedom of a people/ a person. How a right of a person is defined, and where we draw the line between the security of a person against his own and others privacy in the freedom (from dictatorship, or slavery, if you like) we try to comprehend and delineate both as a person and as a people of God.

What can be made legal now, if we can illegalize it later, what would prevent it from being made legal again? The answer to that must be founded on the strong foundation.

And that strong foundation for a fetus right is its own mother. If we treat mothers as “child murderers”, we go against nature and God’s own design. Because the truth of the matter is, not that mothers prefer abortions over her own child. Rather, they are cornered to make difficult choice. Thats why.

So the root of the systemic problem must be addressed too, beside abortion itself, the root problem that causes abortion, must be addressed too.
 
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Cmc1 said:
Females don’t make decision this lightly . There are many reasons why they may choose to make it and nobody except the woman can fully understand this decision. Women will face judgement and predjuice whichever decision they make which is horribly unfair.
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Rapists don’t make this decision lightly. There are many reasons why they may choose to rape and nobody except the rapist can fully understand this decision. Rapists will face judgement and predjuice whichever decision they make which is horribly unfair. I love being a catholic but I can clearly see how unequally and unfairly rapists are treated both in and out of this religion.
 
Of course not, murder is worse than rape.

Both involve the initiation of violence upon another without consent.
 
So if I were to take the sum total of views of those supporting the OP, and I wished to persuade someone to support more restrictive laws on abortion, I should in argument invite my would-be persuadee to accept that 1) abortion is murder and genocide and worse than rape and that it is caused by 2) pornography, contraception and people other than those of dissimilar sex validly married to each other having other than vaginal intercourse?

Good luck with that message, pro-lifers. You have a moderate chance of persuading some of yourselves. No chance of persuading others.
 
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For people on the left, abortion is justified because these people honestly believe it is not a human in the womb. They believe it is a medical procedure no different from having a tumor removed, and that the fetus is merely a “clump of cells.” Well what am I then? Aren’t I just a clump of cells too?
 
Maybe we need to look at ‘why’ women have abortions. I looked all over the internet, but could only find this information. It is old, but I’m sure the percentages are somewhat the same now. It is from a current article: Who are the 1 in 4 American women who choose abortion? - CBS News

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I notice one thing that is common in most of these ‘reasons’. I’ll wait to see if others do too before I mention it.
 
That’s not how counterexamples work. Rape was chosen because it’s something most people argree is wrong, though the principle might not have been the intention in this case.
 
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Johnc19136 said:
When I went to Catholic school no sin was any greater than another. Thy shall not kill is a sin for the mother and the person who did the abortion.
I don’t understand how we made this sin the most important. I believe having ANOTHER God before our one true God is the most important.
This is what we are doing when we elevate one sin over another.
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Certain sins being worse than others has been a tenet of Catholicism for a long time. Why would there be any distinguishing between mortal and venial sins if none were greater than another?
 
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