Abusing muhammad?

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How did Muhammed then deceive so many? Was he a mentalist? Was it proto-NLP?
Mohammed was able to decieve many because he used violence to scare people into following him, he included persian and arabic laws and legends in the Qu’ran in order to win over the wealthy and powerful, he faked mysticism (not hard to do), he made a deal with the devil (most likely), and he included arabic practices in Islam (such as the month of fasting and going around the rock).
 
Hi

I agree with your above words. One source of knowledge, among many, is:

Observation – > Interpretation / Analysis – > Knowledge

but only if the interpretation/analysis is done within the context; that is why I always say to quote the quranic verse with five preceding and five following verse for the usual context. Then there is no harm.
Sister Amy says analysis of Islamic texts is not permitted.
 
Also with this condition that escort enemies if they want peace , don’t cross the limit even in the war field ?
If Muslims want peace, perhaps you can explain why Islamic conquerors “crossed the limit” of their boundaries all the way to Spain, France, and the gates of Vienna.
 
IMO, the only ones here abusing Mohammad are the Muslims themselves. How? When doubts about his prophethood and Davidian legitimacy are raised, they never have a straight answer - instead passing the buck and playing merry-go-rounds. When questions about his morality and his example as a role model for humans are raised, they do the same as the latter.

In order to be more appreciative of a religion, the apologist or the adherent must be at least competent or have the responsibility to give honest replies. It is very rare that we get such replies from Muslims.

Of course, sometimes Christians are too quick to condemn and judge non-Christians by saying hurtful things such as calling names; “Devil-worshipper, Satanic, Evil, Pagan”, etc. We have our faults, but at least when we know we’re wrong upon self-reflection, we admit our faults. We can admit to being hypocrites. I have rarely seen a Muslim ever do that. We’ve even stood up for our Muslim posters whenever we felt our fellow brothers and sisters have been too insensitive. Have Muslims done the same for our Christian posters? Where were the Muslim voices when a Muslim member was abusing Mother Mary and Our Lord Jesus Christ by citing works from a controversial book and the Babylonian Talmud? Why didn’t the Muslims here tell their fellow Muslim friend to behave and be respectful despite our differences?
 
IMO, the only ones here abusing Mohammad are the Muslims themselves. How? When doubts about his prophethood and Davidian legitimacy are raised, they never have a straight answer - instead passing the buck and playing merry-go-rounds. When questions about his morality and his example as a role model for humans are raised, they do the same as the latter.

In order to be more appreciative of a religion, the apologist or the adherent must be at least competent or have the responsibility to give honest replies. It is very rare that we get such replies from Muslims.

Of course, sometimes Christians are too quick to condemn and judge non-Christians by saying hurtful things such as calling names; “Devil-worshipper, Satanic, Evil, Pagan”, etc. We have our faults, but at least when we know we’re wrong upon self-reflection, we admit our faults. We can admit to being hypocrites. I have rarely seen a Muslim ever do that. We’ve even stood up for our Muslim posters whenever we felt our fellow brothers and sisters have been too insensitive. Have Muslims done the same for our Christian posters? Where were the Muslim voices when a Muslim member was abusing Mother Mary and Our Lord Jesus Christ by citing works from a controversial book and the Babylonian Talmud? Why didn’t the Muslims here tell their fellow Muslim friend to behave and be respectful despite our differences?
The problem with islam is that if the muslims told the truth, here is what it would sound like:

Yes, mohammed was a murderer and spread islam by terror - killing, enslaving, deceiving, and bullying, etc - because that is the only way people would become muslims.

Yes, they are told not to think or if they do leave islam we have to kill them or else we wouldn’t have any followers.

Yes, mohammed didn’t like women very much and said they were stupid and that the men could beat them.

Yes, … well, you know where I am going with this.

So, basically deception has to be a big part of islam. Putting the aura of goodness on bad deeds also has to be a part of islam. And here is why? Because normal people want goodness and to feel good. But, that is not really what mohammed was about - being good or doing good - mohammed was about himself. He wanted to spread islam and to get as much as he could out of it. And he found that he had to kill and he grew to like the loot and slaves he was getting so he had to make the bad into good so people would do what he bid them to do. He had to make promises that all their carnal desires would be met because he couldn’t promise anything spiritual - he knew nothing spiritual.

As for hypocracy - that black rock worship is #1 on my list of hypocracy from islam. Many of us on these threads have been accused of worshiping statues, etc by muslims. I am sure the ones who read this post remember those threads. And not one muslim ever told us that muslims thought that black rock has consciousness and speaks for them on Judgement Day. Only an ex-muslim spoke out against this.

They called us idol worshipers when I know I have tried to explain that those statues are just what some consider art. Some of them are poor art, but art nonetheless. They are just symbols - nothing more.

But, like I said - I know why muslims cannot tell the truth about islam.

Some muslimettes will justify the beatings in islam, or deny them and the ‘honor killings’, to their deaths. It is more like the ‘abused woman syndrome’ when abused women start to love their abusers. Some just cannot leave islam because there is really nowhere for them to go. There are no safe houses in muslim countries and they are finding out that such a country as the UK that is allowing them to practice sharia law are handing them back to their abusers. (be careful what you ask for - you might get it)

I can’t speak for the other cases of women here who justify it - to me it is just plain stupid and beyond words. They have a chance to speak up for women in islam and they just don’t. Are they just stupid, or selfish - ‘because it isn’t happening to me it isn’t happening?’.
 
IMO, the only ones here abusing Mohammad are the Muslims themselves.
Great observation! I have yet to get an answer from them on how Mohammad or Islam can be abused by quoting directly from Islamic foundational texts. These aren’t words we have made up; Muslims themselves wrote them and claim them to be the truth.
When doubts about his prophethood and Davidian legitimacy are raised, they never have a straight answer - instead passing the buck and playing merry-go-rounds. When questions about his morality and his example as a role model for humans are raised, they do the same as the latter.
I have debated Muslims on other sites and have noticed [as have others] that their answers are all the same, as though they came out of a cookbook. I am convinced that the reason for this is because they are not permitted to do any critical thinking on their own – the answers are provided in advance by coaches.

My question to Sister Amy is a good example. She says that Islamic texts are not subject to human interpretation. This is what she was taught. I am sure that it never occurred to her to ask her teacher how you even know what something says if you don’t interpret it. The very process of teaching something to someone involves interpreting it so the student can understand it. Would the teacher use the same words on a 5-year old as he would an adult? Of course not. So, if Islamic texts are not subject to human interpretation, just what role does the Islamic scholar play? What role does the student play since he has to interpret what the scholar tells him? I am also sure that should she have asked such questions, they would touch on the forbidden.

Since they are coached to give stock answers, Muslims are lost when they are questioned in any sort of depth, and the best they can do is ask non-sequitur questions, hence, your merry-go-round effect.

Then there is the definition problem. The best example is, “Mohammad fought only in self-defense.” This is absurd to us since Mohammad’s aggression is well-documented even in Islamic texts. The key to their claim is the word “defense”. Consider that to the Muslim, the world is divided into two: the House of Islam and the House of War. That which is not Islamic, by definition, is part of the House of War … it is the House of War – again, by definition – that wages war; since Muslims are under a command from Allah to subject the whole world to Islamic rule, the very existence of the House of War and the simple existence of an unbeliever are acts of aggression against Islam: how dare anyone defy the will of Allah? Ergo, Muslims fight only “defensive” wars. This is only one example of the definition problem.

The final refuge is the “insult-to-Islam/Mohammed/Allah” defense. Of all the despots of history, only Mohammed claimed the power to kill a person’s soul; … 94%, of the people in Hell are tortured for the simple reason of not believing Mohammed. That is a political and intellectual disagreement, not a moral failing. Allah’s Hell is a political prison for kafirs. The other despots were satisfied with killing the bodies of their opposition. Since their prophet is the “perfect” messenger of Allah, Muslims are right and everyone else is wrong. A more self-righteous belief system would be difficult to find.

My own conclusion is that Islam is a product of Satan – a Mafia with a manual.
 
The final refuge is the “insult-to-Islam/Mohammed/Allah” defense. Of all the despots of history, only Mohammed claimed the power to kill a person’s soul; … 94%, of the people in Hell are tortured for the simple reason of not believing Mohammed. That is a political and intellectual disagreement, not a moral failing. Allah’s Hell is a political prison for kafirs. The other despots were satisfied with killing the bodies of their opposition. Since their prophet is the “perfect” messenger of Allah, Muslims are right and everyone else is wrong. A more self-righteous belief system would be difficult to find.

My own conclusion is that Islam is a product of Satan – a Mafia with a manual.
mohammed was a sly fox - he used hell as the communists use gulags.
 
Originally Posted by paarsurrey:

Hi
I agree with your above words. One source of knowledge, among many, is:
Observation – > Interpretation / Analysis – > Knowledge
but only if the interpretation/analysis is done within the context; that is why I always say to quote the quranic verse with five preceding and five following verse for the usual context. Then there is no harm.
Sister Amy says analysis of Islamic texts is not permitted.
Hi

That might be her opinion only.

I love Jesus and Muhammad.

Thanks
 
mohammed was a sly fox - he used hell as the communists use gulags.
The Gospel contains a story of Jesus driving evil spirits from a man and letting them enter a herd of swine. “My name is Legion for there are many.” Mark 5:9 and Luke 8:30]

Would it not be possible for an evil spirit to have entered Mohammed?
 
Would it not be possible for an evil spirit to have entered Mohammed?
More likely in my view Mohammed is visited at Hira and some time afterward by the same spirit that tempted Christ in the desert 600 years before. Hadith name that spirit as the same that spoke to Moses in the burning bush, but its clear Mohammed did not know who accosted him. This spirit is quoted in the Quran.

He said: “Seest Thou? this is the one whom Thou hast honoured above me! If Thou wilt but respite me to the Day of Judgment, I will surely bring his descendants under my sway - all but a few!”
( سورة الإسراء , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #62)
 
The Gospel contains a story of Jesus driving evil spirits from a man and letting them enter a herd of swine. “My name is Legion for there are many.” Mark 5:9 and Luke 8:30]

Would it not be possible for an evil spirit to have entered Mohammed?
Oh yes - in fact mohammed was beset by jinn and demons. He couldn’t sleep at night because of them. Satan permeates throughout islam.

Bukhari:V4B54N491 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘While you sleep, Satan ties three knots at the back of your head. He blows the following words at each knot, "The night is long so keep sleeping. If that person wakes up and praises Allah, then one knot is undone. When he performs ablution the second is undone. When he prays, all the knots are undone, and he gets up in the morning lively and gay, otherwise he is dull and gloomy.’”

We already know about Satan crawling up a muslim’s nose at night.

Here is an how islam began.

Islam was born when Muhammad received a recital from a demonic spirit late one night. The experience was horrible, nearly pressing the life out of him. The new “prophet” tried to commit suicide. Terrorized, he ran home to his sixty-year-old wife, crying, “I fear that something bad has happened to me. I have been possessed.” Now, in the throes of death, days from his last breath, Allah’s messenger tells his teenage wife that the devil never left him. He had become comfortable enough with his demonic spirit to explain that the “devil” was “attached to him.”
his Sunnah was a terrorist manifesto and why the Qur’an was so mean spirited. Lucifer knows nothing of choice, thus Islam was all about submission and obedience. Lucifer knows nothing of love, thus Islam focused on hate and fear. Lucifer despises truth, life, and especially salvation, thus Islam was about deceit, death, and especially damnation. The reason why has just been explained. He was the Devil’s advocate.
Muslim:C14B39N6757 “Allah’s Messenger said: ‘There is none amongst you with whom is not an attaché from amongst the jinn, a devil.’ The Companions said: ‘Allah’s Messenger, is there a devil with you too.’ Thereupon he said: ‘Yes, but Allah helps me against him so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.’” The first thing that Team Islam did was to redefine its terms. Most bad things are considered good. For example, terrorism is good. So is jihad, holy fighting in Allah’s Cause. Stealing booty is good. So is incest, rape, and slavery.
Bukhari:V4B54N513 “The Prophet said, ‘A good dream is from Allah, and a bad or evil dream is from Satan; so if anyone of you has a bad dream of which he is afraid, he should spit on his left side.’”

Bukhari:V4B54N533 “The Prophet said, 'Cover your utensils and tie your water skins, close your doors and keep your children close at night as Jinn spread out and snatch things. When you go to bed put out your lights, for the mischief-doer may drag away the candle and burn your house with you in it. Ata said, ‘The prophet actually said “devils” instead of “Jinn.”’”

Here mohammed wanted to show everyone his demon: Bukhari:V4B54N634 “The Prophet said, ‘A strong demon from the Jinn came to me yesterday suddenly, so as to spoil my prayer, but Allah enabled me to overpower him, and so I caught him and intended to tie him to one of the pillars of the mosque so that all of you might see him.’”

muslims plug their butts at death for fear of Satan crawling up them (if I were a respected devil I would chose an ear - a mouth, an eye - NOT a butt!), especially since quite a few good muslims are blowing them away these days for allah.

As usual I could go on with these types passages. It is just neverending. The one thing that I usually remember is that Lucifer is the Prince of Lies and who has sanctioned lying as part of their religion? (hint: is-slam)
 
How did Muhammed then deceive so many? Was he a mentalist? Was it proto-NLP?
mohammet was a leader of a gang of thieves who started originally by promising those who joined his gang the riches, and slaughtered anyone who got in his way. Individuals, either those who were in his gang or not, were murdered. This murder of his own group was a frightening incentive for the others to stay with him.

As his numbers grew he launched raids, called razzias, on unarmed people and trade caravans. He enslaved people and sold them for weapons. He started slowly and grew in his numbers, thereby increasing those who would be willing to kill any others who left.

He was nothing but a vile terrorist. We can see today mohammet’s actions in work in many muslim countries; the best example is in Gaza today with Hamas - pure mohammet.

I would put to you mohammet didn’t actually deceive his early followers at all; he was a successful slave trader and thief - they went along with his rantings for the wealth they received. The rest is a very long and sad history.
 
mohammet was a leader of a gang of thieves who started originally by promising those who joined his gang the riches, and slaughtered anyone who got in his way. Individuals, either those who were in his gang or not, were murdered. This murder of his own group was a frightening incentive for the others to stay with him.

As his numbers grew he launched raids, called razzias, on unarmed people and trade caravans. He enslaved people and sold them for weapons. He started slowly and grew in his numbers, thereby increasing those who would be willing to kill any others who left.

He was nothing but a vile terrorist. We can see today mohammet’s actions in work in many muslim countries; the best example is in Gaza today with Hamas - pure mohammet.

I would put to you mohammet didn’t actually deceive his early followers at all; he was a successful slave trader and thief - they went along with his rantings for the wealth they received. The rest is a very long and sad history.
Yeah, only the very first of his followers though and at what point it turned to those who had no choice, who knows.

We see that many thugs of the same ilk followed Hitler, or the other fascists leaders of the 20th century. And they were ok with killing their own. Stalin and Mao’s followers, each, killed even more of their own than Hitler killed others. Then there were some, for example, of Hitler’s followers that we scratch our heads and wonder why would such a guy follow a thug like Hitler and be involved with the rest of the thugs?

The saying, “All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.” (Edmund Burke) could be followed up with why do good men follow such evil and then do so many atrocities for them? With islam - it makes it easier for a sort of man to do this evil when they wrap the aura of goodness and holiness around those evil deeds. And then look how many will defend to their graves that evil/goodness!
 
Thanks for your answers.
Another question: is it then time for another Crusade? And I don’t mean one for oil etc. and certainly not like the later Crusades. I mean a Crusade like the First one. Not for glory or for riches but to give a very real, present help to the Church of God.
 
Thanks for your answers.
Another question: is it then time for another Crusade? And I don’t mean one for oil etc. and certainly not like the later Crusades. I mean a Crusade like the First one. Not for glory or for riches but to give a very real, present help to the Church of God.
Here is my opinion - I hope others give their opinion.

No. We could do it in other ways.
  • STOP funding all muslim countries that have human rights abuses. If they want our money then they can start behaving themselves. And yes, I don’t apologize for my ethics. it is MY money and OUR rules.
  • STOP all muslim immigration
  • infiltrate mosques and their muslim-only schools
  • STOP giving our public money to them to private muslim schools and monitor them regularly
  • STOP Universities from taking money from outside countries such as Saudi Arabia, etc.
  • KICK OUT the MSA
  • KICK OUT all imams/clerics from our prisons
  • KICK out CAIR
  • Get RID of those over 30 compounds that are training grounds for muslims in our own lands.
  • STOP ALL segregation - they have been bringing it back under the disguise of modesty when in fact it is because they consider us dirty and their own women dirty. Segregation only separates people/children according to standards to place one above the other.
  • STOP ALL ‘praying/dressing like a muslim’ in our schools unless they want to do the same and behave as a dhimmi.
  • Look to see how islam can be reregulated as a political movement instead of a religion.
And of course, a lot of the above would mean our political leaders would have to lead instead of kissing butt for votes and power. And I don’t see that happening in this administration. In fact, I see a very fascist mindset in this administration - ‘If you are not with me then you are against me’ mentality. Paranoia and censorship (of conservative and religious, particularly Christian or anyone who speaks against islam voices). they want to reenact the ‘Fairness Doctrine’ which is censorship by bully tactics.

Most of the action that are happening are grass roots actions. Act for America just researched muslim infiltration into a public school in California. They have also brought to light some anti-semetic and nasty behaviors perpetrated by the MSA on some campuses. And they have done other things.

Walid Shoebat, Nonie Warwish, Brigette Gabriel are a few of the voices in the dark and they are quite often bashed by our own. Each of those have either lived under and/or been muslims and know exactly what it is bringing to our shores under the disguise of ‘peace’ - their stated goal is that they don’t necessarily want us converted but they want us subjugated.

Just a few notables:
Abu Jahya al-Libi, Al Qaeda leader
‘According to our belief, the whole world must be under the rule of islam without exception, even a single grain of soil.’
Islamic Law Rally 2007.
  • 70,000 to 80,000 turned out in support of sharia
Yousef Khattab, supporter
-‘islam will dominate, this is what it will be.’
-‘We want to see sharia here and it will be. The flag of , “there is no god other than allah, muhammed is the messenger of god”, will be (god willing) on the White House, if thats where we choose it to be. It just takes time, the American people are waking up now.’
-‘There is no compulsion in islam, that means, we cannot force it on you, but we will force islamic (sharia), god willing.’
Abu Mujahid, spokesperson islamic Thinkers Society (ITS)
‘allah does say that the whole world will eventually be under his rule. The rule will come down to where everyone obeys the laws of god (sharia), as simple as that.’
these people have been labeled ‘extremists’ but we have found hate docs in their schools, hate sermons have been recorded, etc. The label of some so the others can continue the same behavior is too common. islam is an extreme ‘religion’ and it is imperialistic in nature - study history.
 
Does this mean intercourse as in having a discussion or intercourse as in sexual intercourse? The usual interpretation would be sexual intercourse, but I don’t see how that fits with this discussion. A woman is committing a sin in Islam so the husband’s last resort is to have sex with her before he divorce’s her? :confused: Or, I get it - :newidea: he is so ‘skillful’ in the bedroom that the wife will easily see her mistake and reform! :rotfl: (Sorry, I couldn’t resist! LOL 😃 ) I just don’t understand your response - or maybe I don’t understand the passage. I don’t see any situation where it would be OK for a man to hit his wife to “correct” her whether he leaves a mark or not. Sorry, but I have absolutely NO tolerance for domestic violence on either side. :mad:
I have heard it from a source I trust that it was the opinion of one scholar of renown that the striking meant returning to intercourse with his wife (after having abstained from intimacy for a long time, as per the instruction sin the ayah). I am not aware of the particulars and I haven’t read up on the opinion myself.
 
Thanks for your answers.
Another question: is it then time for another Crusade? And I don’t mean one for oil etc. and certainly not like the later Crusades. I mean a Crusade like the First one. Not for glory or for riches but to give a very real, present help to the Church of God.
Yes - and arm yourself with knowledge, fire with your words.

We first must ensure that the lies and propaganda are exposed for what they are and spread the word, and then give our leaders no choice but to stop this ridiculous politically correct policy of giving respect to intolerance and hate.

We need a movement of people, similar to 1968, but without the drugs and rock’n’roll and love-ins and…

Some of us are already discussing this, I and a friend of mine are making the sign of the cross whenever we see a muslim in the street. This is on behalf of all those who are living in persecution under the ideology of islam with it’s unjust and barbaric laws.

:signofcross: :knight1:
 
Thanks for your answers.
Another question: is it then time for another Crusade? And I don’t mean one for oil etc. and certainly not like the later Crusades. I mean a Crusade like the First one. Not for glory or for riches but to give a very real, present help to the Church of God.
Numinous, I agree with R-Not (above reply)… but we also need to add"

**Stop political correctness and call a spade a spade with islam. **

We are not talking about a few dozen islamic extremists, we are talking about all of the then.

Holding up signs at rallies stating the islam will conquer, …Jesus is allah’s slave… hitler didn’t finish the job, islam will… Europe take lessons from 9/11… to hell with democracy… and the list is endless.

Islam has taken over so much of the UK, where to UK officials may NOT enter the muslim zone. No governors, no police force… NO ONE!

You know, we have many “neighborhoods of nationality” here in New York and never ever have they made demands on the township.

Only islam does that!

Just my opinion… 👍

God Bless
 
This is a continuation since it seems the UK and Europe will be succombing soon. And we should not just shrug our shoulders. How many think that our muslim allies would support us like the UK and Europe? If anyone thinks they are of the same value system - maybe think about how Pakistan takes our money and does nothing about the radicals, or jihadist training. Or how Saudi Arabia tells us one thing while exporting wahabbi clerics to our shores, funding CAIR, the MSA, and others with a ‘price tag’ if they give it to a non-muslim. those are a few examples of Saudi Arabia’s poor behavior. Other muslim nations are just as bad.

Either they can work towards getting rid of murdering thugs or they can support them and right now they are supporting them.

another ‘muslim charity’ supporting terrorists was caught.

They ran like little girls yelling for our help during the first Gulf War. After 9/11 how many muslims danced and ulalated on our lands and theirs. It was like a national holiday for them.

KICK OUT THE UN - STOP FUNDING THEM

So, what should we do for Europe or the UK?
  • tell them their danger
  • tell them that making areas of ‘muslim only’ where their police are either running from, or afraid to enter - is not acceptable.
  • and when they are given notice that when they start realizing that they are in serious trouble we are not going to come in and help muslims slaughter anymore Christians like we did in Bosnia - but we will hand them the weapons and they can start fighting for themselves.
They could have learned from history but are chosing to cave in to the Hitler-like/fascist mentality again. Only this time it won’t only be the Jews.

They can start bringing in their troops and forcing the ‘peaceful’ ones to behave - or they can just keep caving in to them.

Sorry, but we can’t keep funding the world against islam.

And start making alliances with India, China and Russia about muslim aggression.

Now, all of this could be moot if the muslims started behaving themselves and stop attacking women, children, tourists, Jews, etc. Stop kidnapping little girls and enslaving them and forcing them to convert, or even beheading them in some instances. Basically stop their human rights abuses.

AND START LETTING NON-MUSLIMS BE ABLE TO VOTE, PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION, BUILD CHURCHES/TEMPLES/ETC, and behave like civilized people.

And get rid of religious prayer at work and school, get rid of religious symbols such as the hijab, burka and turbins at work and at school. If they want to wear a moon and star necklace - so be it - but none of that garb that sets them apart like they do now.

De-segregate their muslim communities and do not allow them to build minarettes that are taller than a specific size, and none of that ‘call to prayer’ in public so anyone can hear it.

I should add that yes, take political correctness out of our lives and especially schools. TEACH history and don’t worry about offending muslims. Stop with the fairy tales about mohammed and islam - it is imperialistic and meant a lot of people died terrible deaths and mohammed led the foray.

And yes, some of my suggestions will not be done - I already know that.
 
I know you all don’t agree with me and I’m not about to try to convince you of anything.

But before you run away with yourselves, I will reiterate once again, that Muhammad himself instructed his companions that it was better not to hit their wives. The permission to do it was, according to scholars later, only lightly with something akin to a toothbrush.

There are so many restrictions on this so-called “beating” (i.e., that the man not do it out of anger, only do it after attempting to correct his wife in another way first, that it be with a toothbrush, that he not leave a mark, that he not do it in public) that frankly you can’t find it at all comparable to domestic abuse–something which happens in every religion and culture.

Islam actually explains how men are to treat their wives if they are in error–and it is to be kindly without causing harm.

I’m personally not aware of any religion so explicit, and consider that to be only one aspect in which Islam excels other ways of life.

Wife-beating was up until recently generally accepted in Christian countries, for instance–why?

In Islam, the limits are clear, and far from “condoning” or “encouraging” it, Islam actually discourages it (through Prophetic example) and limits it.
 
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