Account: bishop says "You can't be an authentic Catholic and pro-abortion." --As pro-abortion "Catholic" in U.S. takes the public eye

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LeafByNiggle said:
The solution is to do those things in our churches, lodges, clubs, etc. (what is stopping you?) rather than to stop government from doing them. If the churches, etc. did those jobs, government would not have to do it. And I do not buy the argument that the churches, etc. don’t do these things because government is doing them. They could always do more.
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I agree with you.

I think that one reason why so many people are abandoning “church” (Catholic and Protestant) is that they don’t see a reason to go. The music is probably not to their taste, the speaker is definitely not entertaining or interesting, the people are either exuberantly welcoming or closed-off and unwelcoming, and there’s really nothing much to do at church other than attend services and maybe join a study group (which you will end up missing most weeks because of work, sickness, or family emergencies.

EVERYTHING that is offered by a church (music, special speakers, friends and socializing, and activities–is offered by bars, clubs, sports, work, etc., and these places do a pretty good job. Or many people are perfectly happy to just stay home and play with their electronic devices.

But when the churches have charitble outreach programs–well, LeafByNiggle, I don’t know if it’s the same where you are, but here, people are coming out of the woodwork to volunteer for all the COVID-19 outreaches by many of our churches of all denominations-- food drives/distribution, "Happy Birthday parades (in cars) for local kids, calls to Senior Citizens to make sure they’re alright, and all kinds of kind acts that are truly a blessing in the community!

People who have never BEEN in these churches or any church are coming out to volunteer to help with good works!

So perhaps if we churched people took up the task of doing “good works”, we would finally see some growth in our membership! Matthew 25: 31-46! It would certainly make it easier for people to “see Jesus.”
 
Actually if you check out the book From Mutual Aid to Welfare State, you’ll see the reason churches and lodges and other things don’t do those things is more complex than what you said.
 
petra22 said:
I think it’s sad that no pro-life folks are accepted in the platform of the DNC… I think lots of people are democratic voters who also respect the right to life…
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Check out Democrats for Life… great organization that is trying to change the Democratic Party from the inside… pro life for the whole life
 
jeannetherese said:
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Emeraldlady:
Discernment is needed. For example those guys that loiter in parks offering kids lollies and saying I’ve got a whole bag full back in my car. You won’t regret coming along with me. You have to teach kids to be sensitive to their gut feeling so if it feels like a ‘carrot’ just to get you into his car, don’t buy it!
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Loitering and attempting to seduce children, by those out to exploit their sexuality begins early in the education process, notes Abbey Johnson, who, in the following video, talks about how Planned Parenthood begins by building relationships with your child, encouraging the child to keep secrets and promises parents need never know. It’s predatory behavior, grooming and yet, tolerated, if not approved, by so many.
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I agree. Horseshoe theory demonstrates that at some point extremists of either colour eventually share the same fundamental motives.
 
Yes,
In this election, like the last, who we get for president is likely to be very significant in regard to support for pro-life from the Supreme Court, as well as the district courts.
This was the determining issue in my vote in the last election and will be the same this election.
 
Are you suggesting that the SCOTUS would somehow overturn previous rulings (multiple) upholding ones right to privacy and lack of interference by the gov in personal medical matters.

What new evidence or vast changes in medical technology have come about for them to reconsider.

Unless there is some change to when someone becomes a person through Constitutional amendment, no matter how conservative the court is, they wont just say oh let’s reverse what prior justices have already determined multiple times.
 
Could you clarify? What motive are you ascribing to Planned Parenthood?
 
petra22 said:
I think it’s sad that no pro-life folks are accepted in the platform of the DNC… I think lots of people are democratic voters who also respect the right to life…
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Then they should speak up now.

And I’ll bet you a quarter that they will be told, very politely, a line of bull that the Democratic Party IS the Party of Life because they stand up for the “little man”, the “working people,” the “minorities,” the “downtrodden,” the “immigrant,” and so on.

The best thing that supposedly-pro-life Democrats can do is band together and give theiri beloved Party NOTICE–if the Democratic Party does not change its Party Platform and allow anti-abortion members to have a voice in the formation of Democratic policy formation regarding abortion, then as of a specific date, we will LEAVE the Party and no longer vote for Democratic candidates for public office, but rather, will abstain from voting, as we cannot bring ourselves to vote for Republican candidates that, with the exception of their stand against abortion, hold viewpoints that we cannot support.

THAT, my friend petra22, will possibly bring about much-needed change in the Democratic Party!

But…I tend to doubt it. I honestly believe that the huge majority of Democrats are pro-abortion, including many of the Christians that remain Democrats who have received wrong teaching from their pastors and religious leaders (I’m talking primarily about non-Catholics here, although it’s obvious from reading CAF that there are quite a few Catholics who have also received wrong teaching and continue to to believe it).

I think that if the pro-life Democrats really did take Peeps’ advice and band together and attempt to bring about change in their Party by boycotting the Party–there would be a miniscule number of true pro-life Democrats, a number so small that the Democratic Party leaders would have absolutely no concern about losing their votes.

But it’s worth a try, and at least your conscience would be clear–you who are pro-life Democrats would have at least TRIED to bring about a righteous change in your Party of Death
 
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Loved your message. I hope those pro-life dems take a stand. It’s worth it a try!
 
When I research, I use the numbers published by the CDC as primary, the numbers published by Guttmacher (they have stats from Planned Parenthood).

If you would like a specific example of mental health allowing abortion under restrictive laws, this is one for you from National Right to Life (this story was carried in secular sources as well):

https://www.nrlc.org/archive/news/2000/NRL07/dwarf.html

Note, the deformed fetus who would cause a mother to threaten to take her home life had the same deformity as I do, dwarfism, so I do take these loopholes VERY seriously.
 
Anyone who’s ‘Pro-Abortion’ is not ‘Catholic’. That’s simply a fact.
 
That is not a fact. Catholicism is an indelible mark on the soul that cannot be removed by any act.
 
An excommunicated Catholic is still Catholic. A lapsed Catholic is still Catholic. A Catholic who has so rejected God that they go to hell is still Catholic.
 
They are ‘Excommunicated Catholics’, yes. Baptism makes one Catholic, but doesn’t mean they will Love our Lord or follow his ‘Will’. Supporting Abortion in any way shape or form is not following God’s Will. Again…that’s a fact!
 
Every Catholic is apt to sin at any time, venial sins, mortal sins, yep.
 
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