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Emad
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exoflare said:
Calling other peoples religous teachings garbage, I am sure Jesus taught you that right?
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Calling other peoples religous teachings garbage, I am sure Jesus taught you that right?
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cestusdei
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O’ what a happy day when the Caliphate returns. Then all will be well. Those Christians will be dhimmi again and the Jews…they won’t be around anymore. And muslims wonder why we distrust them. But thanks for continuing to tell us of the worldwide theocratic dictatorship you want to see imposed on us by your jihad.
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Jabronie
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I’ve never heard a conversion story from Catholic to Islam. Could you PLEASE post your in a new thread. It would make an interesting story. I’m curious to see how you came to accept the Quran over the New Testament.
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Emad
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Jews are also dhimmis, shows how much you know about what you criticize!
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Semper_Fi_1
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Sorry, I am no dhimmi, no matter what the Qur’an or Muslims say! Neither are the Jews. We were around before Islam.
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Emad
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Actually there are alot of conversions from catholicism to Islam. Visit the website in my signature, most of the posters there are ex-Christians, most of whom were catholics.
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Eden
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So, your family was Muslim, converted to Catholicism
and then you reverted to the Islamic faith as an adult? Is that right?
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lorrainerich
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Hi cestusdei
Also you need to know what the very word Dhimmi means, Islamically, in the first place.
Usually people in the West are getting false or out of context information from anti-Islam or anti-Muslims sites/books.
If you are a Catholic priest and you want your word to taken seriously by the Muslims, then you should know what Islam is, in the first place from Islamic perspective. Until then you will be just making a fool out of yourself because no Muslim will be interested in hearing anything you said about Islam or about your faith because you already lost the credibility.
What 7th Day Adventists or Jehovas Witnesses say about Catholicism is one thing and what your Church defines her own faith is totally an another, though both are interpretations/views of people who in their eyes are Christians (followers of same Christ).
But if I follow your way of critcising Islam, I can use JWs or 7th Day Adventists arguments to hammer Catholics/Catholicism. But then you will start screaming if I do that. But unfortunately this is what you are doing with the Muslims.
A person who believes in God, must be honest in accusing others. He should not put his own or others’ words in his opponent’s mouth. Otherwise this tells a lot about his faith in God.
Basically a Dhimmi, relatively, has more rights than a Muslim in an Islamic state (Note: I said Islamic state and not Muslim state. Because not every Muslim state is neccessarily an Islamic state. Islamic state is a state whose all people or majority is Muslim and all laws of the land/and system of government is completely based on Islamic Shari’ah/Caliphate.)
Also you need to know what the very word Dhimmi means, Islamically, in the first place.
Usually people in the West are getting false or out of context information from anti-Islam or anti-Muslims sites/books.
If you are a Catholic priest and you want your word to taken seriously by the Muslims, then you should know what Islam is, in the first place from Islamic perspective. Until then you will be just making a fool out of yourself because no Muslim will be interested in hearing anything you said about Islam or about your faith because you already lost the credibility.
What 7th Day Adventists or Jehovas Witnesses say about Catholicism is one thing and what your Church defines her own faith is totally an another, though both are interpretations/views of people who in their eyes are Christians (followers of same Christ).
But if I follow your way of critcising Islam, I can use JWs or 7th Day Adventists arguments to hammer Catholics/Catholicism. But then you will start screaming if I do that. But unfortunately this is what you are doing with the Muslims.
A person who believes in God, must be honest in accusing others. He should not put his own or others’ words in his opponent’s mouth. Otherwise this tells a lot about his faith in God.
Basically a Dhimmi, relatively, has more rights than a Muslim in an Islamic state (Note: I said Islamic state and not Muslim state. Because not every Muslim state is neccessarily an Islamic state. Islamic state is a state whose all people or majority is Muslim and all laws of the land/and system of government is completely based on Islamic Shari’ah/Caliphate.)
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Emad
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for Lorrain!!!
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cestusdei
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Lorraine, you are a good dhimmi. You do what your masters say. I am a bad one since I object to second class status.
I know exactly what a dhimmi is and what few rights they have. They were little better then slaves. Just google dhimmi and see what comes up. You will find they paid extra taxes, were denied the right to serve in the military, had few political rights, could not outwardly express their faith, were forbidden to share their faith, could not sit above a muslim, could not fight a muslim even when attacked (they could however ask him to stop beating him), they couldn’t pray so others could hear them, could not say anything contrary to Islam, and sundry other demeaning rules. It was hell. Do you see Copts and Armenians rejoicing in dhimmitude? How about Christians in Saudi Arabia? Care to meet me there for Mass?
You know nothing of the persecution of Christians. Even after Abdul was almost killed right before your eyes and had to flee to Italy. Open your eyes. At least the man born blind had an excuse, you have none.
I know exactly what a dhimmi is and what few rights they have. They were little better then slaves. Just google dhimmi and see what comes up. You will find they paid extra taxes, were denied the right to serve in the military, had few political rights, could not outwardly express their faith, were forbidden to share their faith, could not sit above a muslim, could not fight a muslim even when attacked (they could however ask him to stop beating him), they couldn’t pray so others could hear them, could not say anything contrary to Islam, and sundry other demeaning rules. It was hell. Do you see Copts and Armenians rejoicing in dhimmitude? How about Christians in Saudi Arabia? Care to meet me there for Mass?
You know nothing of the persecution of Christians. Even after Abdul was almost killed right before your eyes and had to flee to Italy. Open your eyes. At least the man born blind had an excuse, you have none.
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Emad
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:nope: Is that the only place you learned about dhimmis from? Google? lol
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cestusdei
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No, I have talked to Christians who were and are dhimmi’s in muslim countries. They told me about their persecution at the hands of your co-religionists. I saw it myself.
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Emad
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Great I lived in numerous Muslim countries, in fact my neighborhood was mostly Christian and I never saw any problem. Also keep in mind that today there are no dhimmis since there is no Islamic state.
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cestusdei
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Of course you didn’t “see” any problems. You’re a Muslim. They are just kaffirs. They didn’t tell me these things while Muslims were around. They were afraid. One boy told me he was beaten almost everyday because he was a kaffir. He said he would prefer Israeli rule as the Jews treated him better! Muslims never see these problems or even think they are problems.
But let’s go to Saudi Arabia. We can have a nice public Mass said there. No problem, right?
But let’s go to Saudi Arabia. We can have a nice public Mass said there. No problem, right?
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Emad
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Actually I didn’t see any problems, they were my neighbors, I used to play with their kids, we visited each other on holidays, we went to school together, ate together etc. Muslims were a minority in the city I lived in. To say they were beaten because they were non-Muslims is far fetched to me and I won’t believe it. Even it was done, Islam condemns that. Unless ofcourse you can find a verse to prove otherwise?
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Semper_Fi_1
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Why not take him to his local Catholic Church? He’s Christian, not Muslim.Treat him kindly, let him sleep on my bed, make him breakfast, drive him places etc. Take him to the mosque and show him true Muslims, teach him, if he needs mental help, perhaps get him to a counselor and all that good stuff.
ps: none of the above is a joke or exageration.
By the way, he probably doesn’t need mental help. That was an excuse to set him free. Basically calling anyone that converts to Christianity mentally ill, which I found highly offensive. Their reason for calling him “mentally unstable” was that they said he “didn’t talk normal”. What’s that mean? That he talked like a Christian?
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Semper_Fi_1
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lol, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Morroco, etc. & most of the Muslim populated countries in the middle east don’t count as Islamic states? What are you on?
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lorrainerich
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Hi cestusdei,
Is thats the reason all those millions of Coptic Christians of Egypt are still Coptic and they did not loose any Coptic-ness in last 1300 years by being “dhimmis” ? Note: Egypt has been under Muslim or Islamic rule for atleast 1300 years.
Did you really know how Jews enjoyed their Golden age in Spain under Muslim rule ?
Compare atleast these two with Catholics’ rule in Europe in Dark Ages and even in the period of civilised Adolf Hitler and Mussoulini.
How do you define the civilised Germany of Adolf Hitler and his mass killings of Jews in millions, not too long ago?
What crime those poor dhimmi Jews committed in his Christian Germany?
Did Muslims ever create Holocaust of Jews or Christains?
Even with all kinds of attrocities committed by the Zionists, Muslims do differentiate between Zionists and Jews because not all Jews are criminals in their eyes.
Jews have been even living side by side with Arab Muslims in Palestine peacefully, up until the Zionists’ worst attrocity occured in 1948 with the help of Christian British due to their political game.
By the way not all Jews buy the idea of a seperate state for Jews.
As to Saudi Arabia, first, it is a monarchy and not an islamic state. Second, all citiizens of Saudi Arabia are muslims. Expatriates are welcomed under certain conditions to work temporarily because they don’t want to create a mischief in their Holy places. If you disagree with the conditions, then Saudis are not forcing you to work for them, you can go to any Christian country and work for them and preach/pray they way you want
But I doubt any civilised Christian country will allow any Christian to interject his/her brand of Christianity in their state affairs.
Because ever since Church lost it’s rule in Europe, no Christian country wants to marry state and any brand of Christianty thus Christianity of any denomination is kept upto the Church and private affairs only.
Thus these Christian states are secular and free thus everything is kosher . As such gays and lesbian marraiges are allowed, even marraiges with animals (such as dogs) are allowed in certain Christian countries, thus prostitution, sodomites, pornography, heavy drinking and gambling too is allowed and not to mention the lifestyle of living absolutely naked too is allowed…duh.!! this is the fruit Christiandom has created after following the teachings of Christ FREELY and OPENLY for two thousand years.
cestusdei, did you notice how free were people in the civilised non-terrorist Christiandom to follow their Christianity which resulted thousands of denominations, sects and cults?
Do you know how free people like Jimmy Swaggart, Father Sean Fortune, Jim Baker and David Koresh were?
Do you know what free Christian America did to David Koresh and his followers (among his followers were innocent children and women)?
If someone wants to judge people by the notion "by their fruits ye shall know them" then no Christian country is truly following Christ, not even those priests who are indulge in child molestation and raping and Church was careless to take any action. It is the Muslims who are truly Christ followers.
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Semper_Fi_1
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In no Western nation can a man marry a dog or another animal. Not so sure about some middle eastern countries and camels though.
I think I remember hearing something in the news about some middle eastern country forcing a man to marry a camel after he raped it… as a punishment to the man for having sex with it. Can’t remember exactly though.
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Emad
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Semper Fi:
Shows how little knowledge you have. An Islamic state is run by a Khalifa and judged by the Quran and Sunnah. Those are Muslim countries, since the majority of people living there are Muslims, however the government is either a kingdom, dictatorship, or something like that. Not one is an Islamic state, they are Muslim countries not Islamic states. America is mostly Christian, thus it can be called a Christian country, meaning most of it’s people are Christian, but it can’t be called a Christian state because it is democracy, not ruled according to Christian teachings.lol, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Morroco, etc. & most of the Muslim populated countries in the middle east don’t count as Islamic states? What are you on?
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