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TPJCatholic
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tcay,
Wow, thank you. That is a first ever!
Wow, thank you. That is a first ever!
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Shinobu
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That didnāt even come to my mind either (using it only if absolutely necessary)! I wholeheartedly agree with you though.
I saw on the news that they said they can just delete the images, that is all fine and well, however you knoww hen you delete something on your computer, remnants on it still remain on the HDD. Deleting something isnāt going to remove it completely.
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mjdonnelly
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The same thing could be said about being frisked before going into a concert or some other event. There are types of handguns that are almost entirely made of plastic. They should probably adjust the intensity of the scan so there will just be a fuzzy picture of body parts. But this in no way violates someoneās liberties, they do have other choices for travel. I wouldnāt be surprised to also start seeing this in certain government buildings, if they are not already there.
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chevalier
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mjdonelly:
CarolAnnFSO:
tcay584:
tuopaolo:
By the way, there have been instances of obligatory cross-gender strip-searches at airports being also taped. Reagan National was the airport.
IMHO, any policeman or similar officer who strip-searches a woman including underwear deserves a public slap across the kisser in a nice old-fashioned ceremony involving tearing epaulettes off the uniform and kicking out of the uniformed force.
It should be prosecuted as a sexual offence even in the absence of sexual intent. Guards who do that should be fired, banned for life from any similar job and indicted.
I really hope male concert guards and other such bouncers donāt frisk women over there. They would never dare here. I donāt object when they do that on me, but if they tried that on any woman coming with meā¦ Just suffice to say Iām a law student with lots of energy. Also, I wouldnāt really respect the sense of conduct of a woman who submitted to frisking by a male to be admitted into a dancing club or a concert. Sounds like dumping grounds to me. At least they only have them open purses and bags here.
CarolAnnFSO:
Everyone please look on the back side. The butt shows too well. The shape of the body is visible in quite close detail, the shape of the private parts is also clearly visible. Some of it needs to be covered by a red circle. No way I would let my wife go through such scanning by a male. I would file for separation if it happened with her consent and I would report a crime if they did it without asking first. If they really need to do this, they can keep it same-gender.
CarolAnnās pictures are pretty well detailed. Thereās no way a male gets to see my wife like that if he isnāt a doctor or her relative. And donāt get me started on my daughterā¦
If the images are of such nature that they shouldnāt be associated with names, then something is wrong with them.
By the way, there have been instances of obligatory cross-gender strip-searches at airports being also taped. Reagan National was the airport.
IMHO, any policeman or similar officer who strip-searches a woman including underwear deserves a public slap across the kisser in a nice old-fashioned ceremony involving tearing epaulettes off the uniform and kicking out of the uniformed force.
It should be prosecuted as a sexual offence even in the absence of sexual intent. Guards who do that should be fired, banned for life from any similar job and indicted.
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Siena
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Forget images of famous people- how about images of me???
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harveyc
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Honestly, I think it would be fine. I think it is for a good purpose and would be performed by someone that has been well trained and seen thousands of other women. Someone cannot be identified from these images and the level of detail is only good enough to protect us. I asked my wife what she thought about it. She didnāt take a lot of time to reflect on it, but said it wouldnāt be her first choice but that sheād prefer the x-ray vs. a pat-down. Iād rather have them scan her than pat her down also.
I have flown quite a bit and am not paranoid about my plane being blown up. Still, if I had a choice of flying on plane #1 where all the passengers, my wife included, were x-rayed vs. plane #2 full of passengers screened with current security measures, Iād pick #1 without hesitation. I donāt see anything about this that is compromising oneās dignity.
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AlanFromWichita
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Regarding same-sex viewing:
1.) presupposes we know the sex of the traveler, meaning there will be mistakes or embarrassing questions,
2.) same-sex does not mean the viewer is not getting jollies, equal employment laws what they are and everything.
I feel sorry in advance for anybody who has to view me!
Regarding freedom and intrusiveness,
We give away freedom to purchase security. If this keeps up, we will truly have achieved a ā1984ā mentality.
Regarding air safety,
Since some of us have decided safety is more important than modesty, why not just require that all passengers ride the plane naked? That way each passenger can be on the alert for abnormalities in the other travelers.
Alan
1.) presupposes we know the sex of the traveler, meaning there will be mistakes or embarrassing questions,
2.) same-sex does not mean the viewer is not getting jollies, equal employment laws what they are and everything.
I feel sorry in advance for anybody who has to view me!
Regarding freedom and intrusiveness,
We give away freedom to purchase security. If this keeps up, we will truly have achieved a ā1984ā mentality.
Regarding air safety,
Since some of us have decided safety is more important than modesty, why not just require that all passengers ride the plane naked? That way each passenger can be on the alert for abnormalities in the other travelers.
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Digitonomy
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I know of at least one organization that has been working against that trend.
However, I have to say that in regard to this Xray, I disagree with both you and them.
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AlanFromWichita
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At least with air travel the people are not usually being compelled to fly.
Do you approve the use of this xray for entry into courtrooms? If it goes into mass production it will be used for that.
Also, who really believes these images will actually be deleted? Iāll give it four months from the time it is widely deployed until I expect to hear about these images finding their way into lots of places they shouldnāt be. Even if the hardware and software prevents it, a security camera watching the whole thing or a small digital camera can capture the scene offline. This stuff will end up all over the web, and in the case of celebrities on the front page of the National Enquirer.
Why do I think this will happen? Information is marketable. Mark my words. It isnāt a matter of if it will happen, but when and to what degree.
In addition to rogue security personnel (which would be nothing new) there is the problem that the government just canāt seem to resist gathering information and using it ostensibly for training purposes or statistical purposes, and voila! There you go getting private information everywhere again.
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AlanFromWichita
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There are many uses for this technology.
We could have scanners in prisons, to monitor employees and visitors going in and out. Also we could make fun of prisonersā private parts without having to take their clothes off.
Of course we would want them in banks.
Considering the number of convenience store robberies and homicides, they would be useful in place of security cameras in those places; we could use digital imaging techniquest to monitor for weapons and sound an alarm.
If Wendyās had scanners at all their restaurants, at least one horrific episode of shootings wouldnāt have happened.
Postal employees should have to go through them on their way into work.
Of course, any public transportation is susceptible, so we should monitor people going in and out of bus and subway stations.
In short, anywhere that people can go crazy and kill other people, we should all have to go through such a scanner.
All of these images should be fed to a central database somewhere in New Mexico, so that through āfingeringā technology the computers can recognize men who have tried to run away from paying child support. For that matter, anyone accused of being a sex offender or drug user should be scanned.
Alan
P.S. Does anyone feel safer yet?
We could have scanners in prisons, to monitor employees and visitors going in and out. Also we could make fun of prisonersā private parts without having to take their clothes off.
Of course we would want them in banks.
Considering the number of convenience store robberies and homicides, they would be useful in place of security cameras in those places; we could use digital imaging techniquest to monitor for weapons and sound an alarm.
If Wendyās had scanners at all their restaurants, at least one horrific episode of shootings wouldnāt have happened.
Postal employees should have to go through them on their way into work.
Of course, any public transportation is susceptible, so we should monitor people going in and out of bus and subway stations.
In short, anywhere that people can go crazy and kill other people, we should all have to go through such a scanner.
All of these images should be fed to a central database somewhere in New Mexico, so that through āfingeringā technology the computers can recognize men who have tried to run away from paying child support. For that matter, anyone accused of being a sex offender or drug user should be scanned.
Alan
P.S. Does anyone feel safer yet?
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tcay584
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Actually Alan, youāre starting to creep me out
Regards,
Jennifer
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trailblazer
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When it comes to airline safety, safety of passangers, and prevention of another 911, I donāt care if they make everyone strip buck-naked right there. Safety of human lives takes precidence over modesty and ego.
Love & peace in Christ,
Bob
Love & peace in Christ,
Bob
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mommy
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Funny, how on some threads we talk of how people dare to dress immodestly to church, school, work, the beach, and on this thread no one seems to care who sees them basically naked.
Sorry if I donāt believe the NSA employees are the most top notched beyond reproach people. Iām sure many of them are, but is anyone gonna swear 100% are? Iāve heard horror stories of incompetence, and laziness, and unlawfulness. So now that they have access to a database of basically naked pictures doesnāt make me feel safer. It makes me feel more exposed.
We hear all the time on how airport employees steal stuff out of your luggage. whatās to stop them from scamming files from the database?
Sorry if I donāt believe the NSA employees are the most top notched beyond reproach people. Iām sure many of them are, but is anyone gonna swear 100% are? Iāve heard horror stories of incompetence, and laziness, and unlawfulness. So now that they have access to a database of basically naked pictures doesnāt make me feel safer. It makes me feel more exposed.
We hear all the time on how airport employees steal stuff out of your luggage. whatās to stop them from scamming files from the database?
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Wolseley
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If it would prevent me from being blasted out of the air, Iād gladly go through their machine. If they get their jollies off seeing my flabby physique, then all Iād feel is pity that they donāt have better taste.
And Iām one hot number, too, folksāespecially the belly that sort of pooches out and overhangs everything, sort of like a bleached watermelon with hair on it.
Letās understand this, folks: The world is not the same place that it was before 9/11. It never will be again.
If you want to be safe when you fly, then youāre going to have to deal with stuff like this.
Is it humiliating? Maybe. But I spent enough years in the military to have a pragmatic mindset about this. I remember talking to a medic who worked at a MEPS station in Detroit many years ago; he ended up assisting at physical for female recruits. I asked him if he ever had problems with that; he snorted and said (in not so many words) āYou spend all day every day looking between butt cheeks and spread legs, and it ceases very quickly to be arousing.ā
Add to that the fact that few people have perfect bodies. Take a look at the guy in the OP: there he stands with the rolls of fat hanging over his belt. Sexy, huh?
Couple this with the fact that screeners are looking for explosives, weapons, oddities that may be something dangerous, not the appealing qualities of your physique.
I remember we had some guys who grumbled about drug tests in the Air Force; you had to go into the latrine with an NCO and pee into a cup while the NCO stood there and watched you to make sure you didnāt ācheatā and pour somebody elseās pee into the cup instead of using your own.
Me, I used to laugh about it. Iād hand the cup to the NCO and say, āHere yāgo, Sarge. Itās good with a lemon twist and a Spanish olive,ā and heād say, āYeah, yeah, yeahāget out of here, Wolseley.ā Same thing there. After watching 250 airmen pee in cups, I doubt that anybody watching would be too titillated.
We have returned to the feudal era, my friends. The Roman Emprie, a relatively safe place, disintegrated; and in its place, you had hordes of barbarians running loose. People were willing to relinquish some of their personal liberties in order to have a degree of safetyāand thus, the feudal system.
In our case, the post-World War II security we enjoyed for 50 years has disintegrated; and in its place, we have terrorists popping up who knows where. A few more plane crashes, and people will be willing to go through X-ray scanners in order to have a degree of safety.
The ACLU (along with a lot of other people who ought to know better) hasnāt caught on to this fact yet, but they will, eventually. Our era of complete and unrestricted freedom is over with, folks. Itās sad, but no less true. The world has become a more dangerous place, and we need to realize that.
And Iām one hot number, too, folksāespecially the belly that sort of pooches out and overhangs everything, sort of like a bleached watermelon with hair on it.
Letās understand this, folks: The world is not the same place that it was before 9/11. It never will be again.
If you want to be safe when you fly, then youāre going to have to deal with stuff like this.
Is it humiliating? Maybe. But I spent enough years in the military to have a pragmatic mindset about this. I remember talking to a medic who worked at a MEPS station in Detroit many years ago; he ended up assisting at physical for female recruits. I asked him if he ever had problems with that; he snorted and said (in not so many words) āYou spend all day every day looking between butt cheeks and spread legs, and it ceases very quickly to be arousing.ā
Add to that the fact that few people have perfect bodies. Take a look at the guy in the OP: there he stands with the rolls of fat hanging over his belt. Sexy, huh?
Couple this with the fact that screeners are looking for explosives, weapons, oddities that may be something dangerous, not the appealing qualities of your physique.
I remember we had some guys who grumbled about drug tests in the Air Force; you had to go into the latrine with an NCO and pee into a cup while the NCO stood there and watched you to make sure you didnāt ācheatā and pour somebody elseās pee into the cup instead of using your own.
Me, I used to laugh about it. Iād hand the cup to the NCO and say, āHere yāgo, Sarge. Itās good with a lemon twist and a Spanish olive,ā and heād say, āYeah, yeah, yeahāget out of here, Wolseley.ā Same thing there. After watching 250 airmen pee in cups, I doubt that anybody watching would be too titillated.
We have returned to the feudal era, my friends. The Roman Emprie, a relatively safe place, disintegrated; and in its place, you had hordes of barbarians running loose. People were willing to relinquish some of their personal liberties in order to have a degree of safetyāand thus, the feudal system.
In our case, the post-World War II security we enjoyed for 50 years has disintegrated; and in its place, we have terrorists popping up who knows where. A few more plane crashes, and people will be willing to go through X-ray scanners in order to have a degree of safety.
The ACLU (along with a lot of other people who ought to know better) hasnāt caught on to this fact yet, but they will, eventually. Our era of complete and unrestricted freedom is over with, folks. Itās sad, but no less true. The world has become a more dangerous place, and we need to realize that.
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wabrams
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I think you mean TSA. I certainly donāt trust those buffoons. In the three and a half years since their start, they had anything but a successful track record. Lavish spending, biggest govāt Christmas party in recent history, little to no background checks for employees, improper training, theft, fraud, etc etc. Most of the ones I dealt with look and act like they just came from a cashiers job at the 7-11. You got too love it when they try to pat you down and have to have a translator to speak with you (I think that agent had just crossed the border). A guy I used to work with in college just got a job with the TSA at our local airport. Nice guy, but a complete idiot. So, yeah, I really trust the TSA.
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mommy
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Yea, TSAā¦ Iām getting all my initials mixed up again.
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CarolAnnSFO
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Eventually, we will become accustomed to this sort of security measure, and we wonāt think twice about it. Next will come having to strip buck-naked, when someone thinks up a sort of weapon that even these scans wonāt reveal.
As far as the images being deleted, expect to see them in blogs, and for sale on Ebay, especially if a celebrity is involved.
If this is what it takes to fly today, then I think I will stay on the ground, unless the plane is a small, private plane, where all the souls on board are known to each other.
As far as the images being deleted, expect to see them in blogs, and for sale on Ebay, especially if a celebrity is involved.
If this is what it takes to fly today, then I think I will stay on the ground, unless the plane is a small, private plane, where all the souls on board are known to each other.
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Shinobu
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You brought up a good point Carol. I remember hearing on the news not long ago, that there was an increase of people flying via private flights.
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tuopaolo
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Couldnāt they just make the machines not keep any records? Then the images wouldnāt have to be deleted in the first place. Also the celebrity can make note of which airport, which employee and the date and time etc so that if and when a picture shows up for sale, etc. the authorities will know who was responsible.
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wabrams
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They would have to keep the images so they could be used in court to prosecute.
It well help to identify who the trouble maker is, but it wonāt undo the unneccessary damage done.
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