Alan Keyes daughter is gay

[Riley259]

siamesecat:

While Mr Keyes has no obligation to accept and condone his daughter’s choice, to disown her and refuse to pay for her education is still terrible. Love the sinner, hate the sin. He is her father and he should love and support her, even if he doesnt support her homosexuality. He can make it known that he doesnt support her choice, but he still his her father and must treat her with love and understanding. Even if he believes homosexuality is wrong, it is not his job to punish her. She is an adult. And if he believes homosexuality is simply and immoral choice, then what did he, such a conservative family man and man of faith, do to raise such a horrible and immoral daughter?

I agree with most of what you say here but it’s hard to know if Dr. Keyes actually did disown his daughter - the liberal editorials that I’ve read imply this but offer no specific proof that this is what occurred. It is just as plausible to believe that his daughter who is only 19 and obviously somewhat immature might have painted a more harsher picture than reality in a misguided attempt to ellicit some sympathy or out of anger or a combination of both. I’m sure he loves his daughter deeply and will continue to do so but I do not fault him for not continuing to finance her education given the risk that she will use it in the future to further undermine his beliefs.

 

[Lisa_N]

siamesecat:

While Mr Keyes has no obligation to accept and condone his daughter’s choice, to disown her and refuse to pay for her education is still terrible.?

Paying for a child’s college education is not obligatory. It is a privilege and a blessing. Any child who wishes to rebel against his/her parents, publically embarrass them, and live in a manner that they believe is immoral should not expect Daddy Warbucks to accommodate her actions. If she is ‘adult’ enough to discuss adult choices then she is adult enough to support herself.

siamesecat:

Love the sinner, hate the sin. He is her father and he should love and support her, even if he doesnt support her homosexuality. He can make it known that he doesnt support her choice, but he still his her father and must treat her with love and understanding. Even if he believes homosexuality is wrong, it is not his job to punish her. She is an adult. And if he believes homosexuality is simply and immoral choice, then what did he, such a conservative family man and man of faith, do to raise such a horrible and immoral daughter?

So far unless you know what is going on in Mr Keyes head and heart, all we can see is that he’s apparently withdrawn financial support. She is not a minor and thus he has no obligation to finance her education. As you said, she is an adult and should start acting like one. She also might appreciate her college education more if she actually has to work for it. Another one of those privileges of being an adult, supporting yourself and your choices in life. None of this says Mr Keyes no longer loves his daughter.

Lisa N

 

[Riley259]

Lisa N:

She also might appreciate her college education more if she actually has to work for it. Another one of those privileges of being an adult, supporting yourself and your choices in life. None of this says Mr Keyes no longer loves his daughter.

Lisa N

One of the problems is that she still doesn’t have to work for it - a gay group is financing a large portion (maybe all) of her education. However, I’m sure she’ll have to pay them back someday for their “generosity” by publically supporting their agenda.

 

[Lisa_N]

Riley259:

One of the problems is that she still doesn’t have to work for it - a gay group is financing a large portion (maybe all) of her education. However, I’m sure she’ll have to pay them back someday for their “generosity” by publically supporting their agenda.

Precisely. As I said previously the newfound ‘friends’ have their own agenda. Sort of like the painful picture of the Reagan kids in their various rebellions all primed to embarrass their parents. It’s what kids do

Lisa N

 

[HagiaSophia]

katherine2:

(and all while the White House gives out press passes to Repubican gay “escorts” )

Unfortunatelym, you appear to be as well informed o the subject of media as you do about war - a media press pass is issued to those providing a legitimate press credential from whatever paper they represent or free lance for. You can hve 3 other businesses and four other hobbies but as long as a legitimate news outlet requests that you represent them at press conferences you get an issued pass.

You might also check your recollections for the representative whose “true love” was running a gay escort service out of his home – he still serves, the press considers him a good source and a nice guy so he gets a media glossed over story. Then there was the case of the all powerful presidential aide under Johnson who was caught in the men’s room engaging in acts not usually ventured into in public places - he was too high up to pillory for long so after the initial story, it was buried.

Every administration, every party has its underbelly, its sinners and its embarassing moments so there is no need to try and pretend that we have some major story in your reference - Basically, it’s considered by professional media people as a non-story.

 

[HagiaSophia]

katherine2:

(and all while the White House gives out press passes to Repubican gay “escorts” )

Unfortunately, you appear to be as well informed on the subject of media as you do about war - a media press pass is issued to those providing a legitimate press credential from whatever paper they represent or free lance for. You can have 3 other businesses and four other hobbies but as long as a legitimate news outlet requests that you represent them at press conferences you get an issued pass.

You might also check your recollections for the representative whose “true love” was running a gay escort service out of his home – he still serves, the press considers him a good source and a nice guy so he gets a media glossed over story. Then there was the case of the all powerful presidential aide under Johnson who was caught in the men’s room engaging in acts not usually ventured into in public places - he was too high up to pillory for long so after the initial story, it was buried.

Every administration, every party has its underbelly, its sinners and its embarassing moments so there is no need to try and pretend that we have some major story in your reference - Basically, it’s considered by professional media people as a non-story.

 

[tcay584]

Gosh, if I say I’m gay and that my parents disowned me, do you suppose some gay rights group will finance the rest of my graduate school?
How denigrating to have your education tab picked up by a special interest group so you can be trotted out into the spotlight like some trained dog to perform on cue.
She thinks these folks are her friends… How pathetic. My sympathies to her father and mother that they need to suffer for her foolishness.

 

[HagiaSophia]

tcay584:

Gosh, if I say I’m gay and that my parents disowned me, do you suppose some gay rights group will finance the rest of my graduate school?
How denigrating to have your education tab picked up by a special interest group so you can be trotted out into the spotlight like some trained dog to perform on cue.
She thinks these folks are her friends… How pathetic. My sympathies to her father and mother that they need to suffer for her foolishness.

It’s the Reagan kids all over again. They were lionized, fawned over and photographed; every word they spoke was treated like it came from the lips of some Solon and then, like yesterday’s newspapers when the story played out, they got dropped and neither seem to have fully recovered yet.

 

[La_Chiara]

HagiaSophia:

It’s the Reagan kids all over again. They were lionized, fawned over and photographed; every word they spoke was treated like it came from the lips of some Solon and then, like yesterday’s newspapers when the story played out, they got dropped and neither seem to have fully recovered yet.

Ain’t that just the truth! :yup:

Truly pathetic this summer at Reagan’s funeral when Ronnie Jr. and Patti basked once again–but ever so briefly–in the limelight. They still haven’t figured out that it was NEVER about them (and never will be). :nope:

 

[La_Chiara]

HagiaSophia:

It’s the Reagan kids all over again. They were lionized, fawned over and photographed; every word they spoke was treated like it came from the lips of some Solon and then, like yesterday’s newspapers when the story played out, they got dropped and neither seem to have fully recovered yet./QUOTE]

Ain’t that just the truth! :yup:

Truly pathetic this summer at Reagan’s funeral when Ronnie Jr. and Patti basked once again but ever so briefly in the limelight. They still haven’t figured out that it was NEVER about them (and never will be). :nope:

 

[katherine2]

Brad:

You don’t support homosexual marriage but you do support homosexual unions?

Does anyone here think it wrong to say a polite hello to anybody? Must not be any lunatic right wing fringers, whatever that means.

You said I support homosexual marriage, which I do not.

You then retracted your first falsehood and put forward another which says I support homosexual unions.

I will challengre you to find a post by me where I directly say either of those things.

However, its my judgement that when people get accused of supporting gay marriage when they have never said anything of the sort but simply suggested some other politeness to gay people, the accussors are part of a lunatic fringe.

 

[4_marks]

Riley259:

This subject may have been hashed out in another thread but I haven’t been able to find anything on it. I’d like to know what people think of Alan Keyes situation with his daugher coming out as a lesbian. The media (with it’s usual liberal bias) has been painting a negative picture of Dr. Keyes. He’s being described as kind of a cold hearted father who disowned and kicked his daughter out in the cold. He is apparently not financing the rest of her education at Brown University and a gay group has agreed to finance it. This gay group is being painted as being on a wonderful rescue mission. Call me cynical but I’m sure this group expects Ms. Keyes to promote the gay agenda as a quid pro quo payback for their “generous” assistance with her education bills. Dr. Keyes reasons for not financing her education are logical to me: She will ultimately use that expensive education to promote the gay agenda and further embarrass him and his faith. I think that Alan Keyes is a very smart, articulate and courageous man for takin this stand - this guy truly has heart-felt principals. He was ridiculed for his comment about gays being selfish hedonists but that phrase was taken out of context and twisted to make him sound like a crazy right-wing fundamentalist zeolot. I’m praying for Dr. Keyes and his family. Please click on below link for the full text of the interview mentioned above. Dr. Keyes does a wonderful job explaining the true purpose of sexuality - I wish everyone could read his full explanation of this subject.

renewamerica.us/archives/media/interviews/04_08_31siriusq.htm

My brother happens to be an openly gay man who recently married his partner. He is my brother. I choose to love him unconditionally.

 

[Brad]

katherine2:

You said I support homosexual marriage, which I do not.

You then retracted your first falsehood and put forward another which says I support homosexual unions.

I will challengre you to find a post by me where I directly say either of those things.

However, its my judgement that when people get accused of supporting gay marriage when they have never said anything of the sort but simply suggested some other politeness to gay people, the accussors are part of a lunatic fringe.

Actually Katherine, it’s all logic.

I was confused because you seemed to be angry that Alan Keyes stepped up his punishment because of his daughter’s increasingly public assertion of her sinful lifestyle. This makes sense to me in that he vigorously opposed same-sex unions and marriage. Your opposition to his decision had implications that you opposed his political position on the matter.

Then, in a subsequent post, you started calling the homosexual lifestyle sinful, implying you do not support homosexual marriage or unions.

I just wanted some clarification based on these 2 seemingly contradictory positions.

I am glad you have clarified that, in fact, you do support Alan Keyes’ political position on the matter.

I’m sorry that you think logical deduction is lunacy.

 

[Riley259]

4 marks:

My brother happens to be an openly gay man who recently married his partner. He is my brother. I choose to love him unconditionally.

I’m sure that Dr. Keyes loves his daughter unconditionally as well - he just adamently dissapproves of her lifestyle choices. Love the sinner and hate the sin .

 

[katherine2]

Brad:

Actually Katherine, it’s all logic.

I was confused

you sure are.

because you seemed to be angry that Alan Keyes stepped up his punishment because of his daughter’s increasingly public assertion of her sinful lifestyle.

You assumed that anyone who suggested some disapproval of Keyes behaviro towards his daughter is a proponent of gay marriage. That is out of line. Its not logical, its McCarthyistic.

This makes sense to me in that he vigorously opposed same-sex unions and marriage. Your opposition to his decision had implications that you opposed his political position on the matter.

You didn’t say my posts gave implications that I supported gay marriage. You made an unqualfied statement that I did. The idea that to voice any disagreement with a man like Alan Keyes makes one a proponent of gay marriage is a bunch of bunk.

I just wanted some clarification based on these 2 seemingly contradictory positions.

You didn’t ask for clarification. You made a false accusation about me.

I am glad you have clarified that

I didn’t clarify it. I’ve never said I support gay marriage. You decided to make accusations without evidence other than some minor Christian charity towards gay people.

I’m sorry that you think logical deduction is lunacy.

You didn’t state that logical deduction would lead someone to beleive that I supported gay marriage. You flat out said I supported gay marrigage based on a post where I thought one person was being uncharitable to his lesbian daughter.

To the point, you lied about me.

 

[4_marks]

Riley259:

I’m sure that Dr. Keyes loves his daughter unconditionally as well - he just adamently dissapproves of her lifestyle choices. Love the sinner and hate the sin .

As long as he does not yield to the temptation to discriminate against her or punish her because of it. She did not choose to be a lesbian. She has found herself to be lesbian. She remains his daughter no matter what. Even when we sin grieviously, we continue to remain members of the Body of Christ. We are not thrown out of God’s family. God still lets the sun shine on us.

 

[Lisa_N]

4 marks:

As long as he does not yield to the temptation to discriminate against her or punish her because of it. She did not choose to be a lesbian. She has found herself to be lesbian.

That is debatable. I find particularly with female homosexuality, whether you are or aren’t is not static. Further since homosexuality represents ACTIONS not a state of being, there is always choice regarding whether or not to act on this as well as any impulse. A person does not choose the temptation, who would? But they can choose their response whether the temptation is homosexual activity, drinking, overeating or any other urge.
4 marks:

. She remains his daughter no matter what. Even when we sin grieviously, we continue to remain members of the Body of Christ. We are not thrown out of God’s family. God still lets the sun shine on us.

And the sunshine demonstrates that homosexual activity is neither normal nor healthy, particularly for males. I am sorry about your brother. He will miss out on some of the greatest things in life.

Look, no one is saying that homosexuals should be ostracized, beaten up, chased down, or denied suitable housing or employment. But none of that requires approving of their sex lives as long as these are carried on in private.

Lisa N

 

[katherine2]

Lisa N:

Look, no one is saying that homosexuals should be ostracized, … or denied suitable housing or employment.
Lisa N

Yes, there are people saying.

 

[fix]

katherine2:

Yes, there are people saying.

Unjust discrimination is wrong, but just discrimination is not wrong. Is it wrong to deny “marriage” to same sex persons? Is that bad?

 

[katherine2]

fix:

Unjust discrimination is wrong

Wrong, and a real social evil which must be combatted.