Alcohol drinking

[Yonnie]

rayne89:

Ok, here’s the opinion of the wife of a (recovered) alcoholic. I have seen the demon side of alcohol, and how it wreaks havoc on a person’s life. That being said, do I drink? Occasionally at special occasions. I was raised in a home where my parents had a glass of wine with dinner, I have never seen my parents get drunk.

My husband was raised in a home where alcohol was forbidden. But had many extended family members that were (and still are) drunks. They never have just one beer. So it was all or nothing. Hubby fell into the all category. Alcoholism is complicated. I personally believe it’s a combination of genes and enviroment.

People get addicted to alot of things. The nature of the alcohol doesn’t change depending on who drinks it. The difference is the people who drink it. The over whelming majority of people that drink alcohol are not alcoholics.

For those who would prefer to err on the side of caution, I certainly respect that. Would I be devastated if I could never have alcohol again, not particularily. But using the Bible to damn people for having a glass of wine is rediculous. Twisting scripture to suit your purpose or opinion is very popular, after all if God says it who could argue? Jesus’ first miracle was changing water into wine at a wedding celebration. Those are the facts. People didn’t drink grape juice at wedding celebrations, they drank wine.

AMEN

 

[slinky1882]

Hey all,

I would never condemn or engage another drinking alcohol in moderation. My concern lies in the biochemical properties of the substance (here I am specifically speaking about ethanol not wine as a whole). With the medications that many Americans take, it is unwise to drink frequently even in moderation. I’ve always been puzzled as to why ethanol (CH3CH2OH) basically is the only short carbon chain alcohol that is tolerated by the body and even then is toxic (ex. methanol an even simpler alcohol causes blindness and/or death even ingested in small amounts. This is also known as wood alcohol). As a biochemist, I saw what ethanol can do to organic materials.I would be concerned about events that can happen upon drunkeness and the Bible clearly condemns this, but the Bible does allow drinking in moderation.

On the wine and the heart, this is due to the presence of anti-oxidants in wine (which incidently can be ingested without the toxic side of ethanol in other forms). Does anyone know if the anti-oxidants present in wine counteract the toxic nature of the ethanol??? I just thought of that while typing this response and would welcome others thoughts as well. Thanks and God Bless.

 

[slinky1882]

Ghosty:

Funny, from a medical and sociological perspective, I could argue that poverty, unhappiness, divorce, insanity, and disease are the most frequent causes of drinking, not the other way around. Kind of a chicken-or-the-egg situation, eh?

I’m just being obnoxious, I actually agree with you for the most part. I’m just not going to part with my drink, so I don’t intend to force anyone else to.

That’s why I have thought that Anheuser Busch is the safest private company in the world. Inividuals drink in times of propersity and in times of depression. Thanks and God Bless.

 

[mark_a]

From John chapter 2:

"And when the headwaiter tasted the water that had become wine, without knowing where it came from (although the servers who had drawn the water knew), the headwaiter called the bridegroom 10 and said to him, “Everyone serves good wine first, and then when people have drunk freely, an inferior one; but you have kept the good wine until now.”

There you have it folks, my first and probably last proof text. I think this dead horse issue is the perfect place for it.

Among all the exceptions Protestants take with Catholics, “the wine didn’t have time to ferment” argument must be the weakest.