Michael_Thoma:
Peace to all, especially TA-Mike and Matt and GoG,
Ok. Forget the name of the TAC for a minute.
IF they are all ordained via PNCC, they are considered Old Catholics by canon law, who use the Sarum Rite. Whether they call themselves TAC or Anglo or whatever; assuming their Holy Orders are valid and from PNCC, they are essentially PNCC that use Sarum rites. This would make their Holy Orders valid, as long as their Rites followed the correct formulae.
If the Vatican were to incorporate the whole Anglo group sui juris under the Latin Church, there would be NO impediments. This would create two sui juris Churches in the West, the Roman and Anglican. No problem.
They could also decide to incorporate the Anglo group within the Roman Rite in the Latin Church as a prelature. Again no problems, except they wouldn’t always get their own bishops and would likely be headed by Roman bishops.
TA-Mike,
Could you provide the text of the Ritual of Ordination, this would clear up a lot of issues? (or a link to it.)
Also, is Abp. Hepworth married? How many TAC bishops are married vs. celibate? Not an impediment, just wondering.
Also was Abp Hebworth a baptised Catholic who left to Anglicanism?
Michael:
I’m getting lazy, so last question first…Abp Hepworth was a Catholic Priest who was dispensed from his vows to get married some 15 years ago or so. I understand there’s a seperate disciplinary issue there seperate from the TAC as he left the Catholic Church (he could be required to step down under Canon Law). I don’t know the figures, but Abp. Hepworth is advertizing most of the Bishops, Priests and Deacons as being Married, which is typical in Anglicanism.
I attended an ordination. I’ll see if I have the bulletin on pdf - I probably don’t, but I’ll see if I can find it. The TAC uses the Anglican Missal for most everything, which, I understand is pretty much a 17th century Translation of the Serum Rite.
Regarding Orders, I understand that a lot of the Bishops were recipients of the “Dutch Touch” (Old Catholic Orders and PNCC when Old Catholic Orders were still valid), but some weren’t. and we do have the problem of
Apostolicae Curae.
You are right, though, those priests and Bishops who Ordinands/Consecrators had valid orders would have them themselves unless they did something to nullify their Orders (I believe that will be one o fthe tragedies of mainstream liberal Anglicanism).
IMO, the Pope will still have to find a way to either work around
Apostolicae Curae (not likely) or to do a lot of Consecration and Ordination
Sub-Conditione (more likerly). As I said, the Vatican has requested TAC Bishops (at least 3 or 4) and Abp. Hepworth to attend the retreat before the metteing of the College of Bishops, as well as the meeting this summer and next summer. Either one would be a convenient time to start that process assuming everyone was ready.
I believe, from everything I’ve heard, that they are discussing doing this
sui juris partly due to the number of people and the marital status of the clergy and most of the perspective clergy.
I’ll let you know either way about wither or not I can find a web assessible Rite of Ordination that isn’t Anglican Use Catholic but TAC. That’s all I can do fo now. OK?
Blessings and Peace, Michael
Here is the infallible teaching of the Magisterium at Vatican II:
) If we want to look for the location of unity in the Roman Catholic Church, the Dognatic Constitution is very clear that it is the Supreme Pastor.