Animals You Eat: Bad Meat!

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You know, seriously, has anyone who complains about our US food production ever checked out the way it’s done in other parts of the world…:eek:
We have so much available to us in America & really take it for granted.
the more you know the better decisions you make. The more you know, better your perspective. Thank you Cracker Mom! I love your name! It’s fun!
 
She weighs 80 lbs and can’t walk an entire block without having to sit. Her diet most definitely had something to do with her losing her babies. It can barely sustain itself.
I hope that she has been checked for celiac disease among other things.
 
Ok on the issue of vegans and vegetarians being more sickly and unhealthy and what not. That is probably mostly due to people not eating a proper vegetarian diet. Many people seem to go on those diets as some sort of fad and donlt do proper research. Not to mention people have different nutritution needs and for a few people going without any meat would be unhealthy. But most people do not absolutely need meat. But I think our culture specifically the American culture has convinced people that not only do they need meat they need tons of it.
 
I hope that she has been checked for celiac disease among other things.
Yeah if she has that it could definately be affecting her ablity to absorb food due to damage to her intestines and therefore even if she was eating meat she could still be unhealthy.
 
I hope that she has been checked for celiac disease among other things.
Yeah if she has that it could definately be affecting her ablity to absorb food due to damage to her intestines and therefore even if she was eating meat she could still be unhealthy.
It could also cause problems with fertility and has been linked to miscarriage.

All of which is totally off topic. 🤷
 
I will eat meat if I want to. Maybe I should bring GROG over here (the people from the Clubhouse will know what I am talking about :cool: )
 
I will eat meat if I want to. Maybe I should bring GROG over here (the people from the Clubhouse will know what I am talking about :cool: )
Do they have BBQ over in the Clubhouse?😉
Even “Bad” meat’s good BBQ’ed:D
 
Do they have BBQ over in the Clubhouse?😉
Even “Bad” meat’s good BBQ’ed:D
You guys are such comedians! I like you all! OK–here’s a joke that Jay Leno told on the Tonight Show last night (I don’t know if he is a vegetarian, a vegan, or an omnivore–but I think he’s an omnivore).

What kind of bird kills the most people?

Answer: Fried chicken
 
It seems like everybody I meet is somehow concerned with the way animals are treated. Even meat eaters are aware that slaughtering an animal is unpleasant for it.These folks will tell you that the animals deserve better treatment.They say that they buy only “humanely treated” meat,or “free-range” eggs and “organic” milk,and they think that they are “ethical” consumers and that by buying these products they are not contributing to animal cruelty.Billions of animals are killed every year merely to appease our gluttonous appetites.And nobody makes the connection.Instead, we fool ourselves into thinking that we are making humane choices,failing to recognize what hypocrites we really are. Modern farms are nothing like the pictures in your kids’ books or on TV.And there are many wrong ideas about the practices and principles of a “humane” operation.The nasty process of turning live animals into ground-up chunks of flesh begins as the animals are babies and then they are sent to slaughter, in spite of whether they are raised
conventionally or in operations that are labeled “humane,” “sustainable,” “natural,” “free-range,” “cage-free,” “heritage-bred,” “grass-fed” or “organic.” It doesn’t matter whether it is a large or small farm, manipulating animals’ reproductive systems for human gain is at the heart of the animal agriculture industry.People don’t think about the keeping of male studs, the stimulation of the genitals, the collection of semen, the castrating of males, and the insemination into the female when they sit down at the dinner table.These poor animals go through the stressful, painful, and humiliating process of artificial insemination.Dairy cows are strapped into what the industry terms a “rape rack;” “natural turkeys” have to be artificially inseminated because their breasts are so large they’re unable to mate in the usual manner; and “free-range” egg farms buy their hens from egg hatcheries that kill millions of day-old male chicks every year.A lot of people who speak of “humane” meat are really referring to the conditions under which animals are raised -not killed.And there’s a big difference.When their bodies are fat enough (aka “ripe”) for the dinner table, spent and overused from producing eggs and milk, and no longer useful in the way they were meant to be, as in the case of male studs on dairy farms, animals from both conventional and “humane” farms are all transported (first to the feedlot in the case of “beef cattle”) to the slaughterhouse.The transportation process is excruciating and often fatal.The only law designed to “protect” animals in transport does not pertain to 95% of the animals killed for human consumption, as birds and rabbits (all classified as “poultry” are not protected).As a result, in transport, animals are forced to endure oppressive heat, bitter cold, stress, overcrowding, and respiratory problems from ammonia-laden urine.It doesn’t matter how they’re raised, all animals killed for food are sent to slaughterhouses where their lives are brutally ended.By law, animals must be slaughtered at USDA-certified facilities, which really only means that the facility is kept somewhat clean.Everyone from federal meat inspectors to slaughterhouse workers have admitted to routinely witnessing the strangling, beating, scalding, skinning, and butchering of live, fully conscious animals.To see the proof just google it.At small farms, where the owners can kill the animals themselves (in the case of birds), every one of them will tell you that, though it was hard in the beginning to slit the throat of the animals, it gets easier after awhile.They get ‘numb’ to it.Compassionate people all have the same goal: the elimination of oppression, exploitation, and violence.Abuse, violence, cruelty – they all spring from the same source, and they all have the same effect – more abuse, more violence, more cruelty.The link between cruelty to animals and violence toward people has been well established.When we tell ourselves we’re eating meat from “humanely raised animals,”we’re leaving out a huge part of the equation.The slaughtering of an animal is a bloody and violent act, and death does not come easy for those who want to live.As much as we don’t want to believe we are the cause of someone else’s suffering, our consumption of meat,dairy, eggs and other animal products perpetuates the pointless violence and unnecessary cruelty that is inherent in the deliberate breeding and killing of animals for human consumption.If we didn’t have a problem with it, we wouldn’t have to make up so many excuses and justifications.We dance around the truth, label our choices “humane,” and try to find some kind of compromise so we can have our meat and eat it, too.The problem is not with how we raise the animal,…the problem is that we EAT them.We can survive on a plant-based diet; we don’t need to kill animals to be healthy, and in fact animal fat and protein are linked with many human diseases.What does it say about us that when given the opportunity to prevent cruelty, violence, and disease we instead choose to turn away—because of tradition, culture, habit, convenience or pleasure?We are not finding the answers we are looking for because we are not asking the right questions.Kinder and gentler raising of animals for slaughter only lets us feel less guilty about our cruelty than it actually reduces the suffering of the animal when it is sent to slaughter.If we really want to be compassionate,then the answer is this: We can simply stop eating animals.Every animal born into this world to be used as a machine to produce meat, eggs or milk has the same desire for maternal comfort and protection, the same ability to feel pain, and the same impulse to live as any living creature.There’s nothing humane about breeding animals only to kill them, and there’s nothing humane about ending the life of a healthy animal before their natural life is over. In short, there is nothing humane about eating meat.
 
You sound more like a PETA & environmentalist activist than a Catholic. As I trust you know, God gave humans dominion over the animals of the earth. They are to be used for our needs, either through food, work, clothing or enjoyment.
Used or abused?
Did He entrust them to us for care or did He say go ahead and torture, degrade and sacrifice them at whim? My bible must be lacking those verses…
 
We can simply stop eating animals.Every animal born into this world to be used as a machine to produce meat, eggs or milk has the same desire for maternal comfort and protection, the same ability to feel pain, and the same impulse to live as any living creature.There’s nothing humane about breeding animals only to kill them, and there’s nothing humane about ending the life of a healthy animal before their natural life is over. In short, there is nothing humane about eating meat.
Not eating meat ever is not realistic nor healthy for many people. There is nothing inherently inhumane about eating meat. As an early post indicated - natural predators aren’t very “humane” in their treatment of their prey. Especially cats (large & small). They play w/ & torment their prey until finally they decide the before dinner entertainment is finished.

Breeding animals for our purposes - whether for food, entertainment, or companionship is not inhumane. Killing & eating animals is not inhumane in & of itself. There are methods that are more humane than others, but lets face it - death in any manner only has a good outcome for the living party…

Animals feel pain & live, however, they do not have the reasoning capabilities that we humans do. Neither do they have eternal souls that make us made in God’s image. He gave us dominion over the animals & the earth. God designed our bodies to bite, chew, digest, and eliminate meat as well as plant material. For me & my family, we’ll continue to use our God-given dominion over animals and God-designed bodies to enjoy a baked potato w/ greens, & a steak! Yum yum…
 
I love it. 👍
I always say, that I want don’t want my steak to moo, but I want it to remember that it used to.
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I know someone who liked their steaks “blue”. He preferred the “Drill Manual” method of cooking: Drop on the grill - TWO, THREE - flip - TWO, THREE - remove.

“I want my steak rare. Very rare. I want it so rare that a skilled vet can resuscitate it. Not even flame-kissed, just barely flame-acknowledged. Just show it a picture of a fire. As a matter of fact, just cut its throat, wipe its ***, and slap it on the plate.”

I’ve had uncooked beef twice: once at a barbeque, I ate some beer-marinated beef that had yet to be cooked. It was chemically “cooked” by the action of the beer, but heat-wise was raw.

I have also had beef sashimi at a Japanese restaurant. Nice.
 
Not eating meat ever is not realistic nor healthy for many people. There is nothing inherently inhumane about eating meat.
That is an outrageous lie perpetuated by the meat and dairy industries.
As an early post indicated - natural predators aren’t very “humane” in their treatment of their prey. Especially cats (large & small). They play w/ & torment their prey until finally they decide the before dinner entertainment is finished
Humans are supposed to be above that. It is what sets us apart from the animals
Breeding animals for our purposes - whether for food, entertainment, or companionship is not inhumane. Killing & eating animals is not inhumane in & of itself. There are methods that are more humane than others, but lets face it - death in any manner only has a good outcome for the living party…
Animals feel pain & live, however, they do not have the reasoning capabilities that we humans do.
HORSEHOOEY!!!You have never owned a pet, I take it. What moron told you that?
Neither do they have eternal souls that make us made in God’s image. He gave us dominion over the animals & the earth. God designed our bodies to bite, chew, digest, and eliminate meat as well as plant material. For me & my family, we’ll continue to use our God-given dominion over animals and God-designed bodies to enjoy a baked potato w/ greens, & a steak! Yum yum…
Sorry. You are just wrong. This argument has been going on for so long. I grow weary of it. It’s like trying to point out to an alcoholic or drug addict how he is hurting himself and everyone else around him.Yes, I am comparing it to that. Because that is what it is.
It is interesting how people can take the contextualist approach to scripture as license for polemics. The evidence is incontrovertible. I could give you links to review the evidence. But, that would be a pedantic exercise at best.
The truth is you are stuck in the flesh. You eat flesh, you argue for the flesh. You are like ogres and cannibals. You make me angry. And when I see you drooling over the dead corpses in the frozen animal section of the supermarket I want to puke. I pray for you. I truly do. Many of us have chosen a Vegan diet as reparation for the crimes against humanity and all of God’s creation which people like you commit every single day. Fortunately the next generations are taking in the information on the news and in science and I have faith that we will have a cleaner, more sustainable planet free of the diseases associated with meat. The truth is out there. You just choose to ignore it. You are victims of self-delusion. You just don’t get it. It is a very sad thing. You have been lied to, and you perpetuate the lie. You are like the people in the movie “The Matrix” You are so ingrained in it that you will fight to the death to maintain your culture of death because you honestly and mistakenly see it as normal. Even perverting the scriptures to match your own lust for cannibalism. There are a few good people on this forum. I have read their posts. But, most of you make me ashamed to be associated with someone who could commit such atrocities and still call themselves Catholic. With all your pedantic boorish apologetics and eschatology,… so intelligent, yet, so clueless.
 
Sorry. You are just wrong. This argument has been going on for so long. I grow weary of it. It’s like trying to point out to an alcoholic or drug addict how he is hurting himself and everyone else around him.Yes, I am comparing it to that. Because that is what it is.
The truth is you are stuck in the flesh. You eat flesh, you argue for the flesh. .
GottaKnow. Yes, these people are stuck in the flesh, and argue for the flesh. They don’t get it–they don’t want to get it–they will probably not *get it *in this lifetime. Let go of your anger though. The day will come when the lions lie down with the lambs!!! You, and I, and many, many, others can truly imagine that day–these people can not–as you say–because they are stuck in the flesh.

These people purposefully look for these posts, not to offer constructive insight, but to be mean and to throw stones. Why do you suppose that is??? They are adamant that God has given them dominion over the Earth, which they choose to mean personal power and abuse at all costs, for any and all selfish reasons, with no consideration or respect for what they have dominion over.

With dominion comes responsibility and accountability. We humans have been entrusted to care for God’s Earth and all of His creations. As individuals we will answer to God on our personal accomplishment of this task/responsibility. We can only do what is within our power–and some of us have more power than others. GottaKnow, do what is within your power to take care of God’s Earth. Use the tools that you have–your voice–your wallet (vote with your grocery dollars, make GREEN choices)–the example of your life, etc.

LOVE, LOVE, LOVE–even these people who are purposefully uncaring, who relish their power of dominion.
 
As an early post indicated - natural predators aren’t very “humane” in their treatment of their prey. Especially cats (large & small). They play w/ & torment their prey until finally they decide the before dinner entertainment is finished.
Though I love your name, BiologyBrain, you may want to refresh/update your biology lessons!!! Human beings are not biologically related to cats (not even remotely). We are from a group of bipedal hominids–our closest biological relative is the chimpanzee (we share over 98% of DNA with the chimpanzee who does not eat meat.) If you want to construct a sound argument for humans eating meat, using cats as an example completely does not work. Cats are obligate carnivores, and have a completely different digestive system that is incomparible to humans. I advice you to do a little research on cats, protein, and the inability of cats to digest carbohydrates (the fuel of humans).
 
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I know someone who liked their steaks “blue”. He preferred the “Drill Manual” method of cooking: Drop on the grill - TWO, THREE - flip - TWO, THREE - remove.

“I want my steak rare. Very rare. I want it so rare that a skilled vet can resuscitate it. Not even flame-kissed, just barely flame-acknowledged. Just show it a picture of a fire. As a matter of fact, just cut its throat, wipe its ***, and slap it on the plate.”

I’ve had uncooked beef twice: once at a barbeque, I ate some beer-marinated beef that had yet to be cooked. It was chemically “cooked” by the action of the beer, but heat-wise was raw.

I have also had beef sashimi at a Japanese restaurant. Nice.
Please explain the ***purpose ***of your answer. Would you attend the blessing of the animals, on the feast of St. Francis, and disrupt the service to say this?? Again, what is the ***purpose ***of the posting of this response???
 
Dear GottaKnow, Ghoti, BiologyBrain, and others, I have just been given information from one of CAF’s veterinarians that you may want to check out for yourselves.

***Catholic Concern for Animals exists to influence the Christian Church and, ultimately the wider society, into adopting a more just, understanding and compassionate attitude towards the animal creation. We research and disseminate authentic teachings of the Catholic Tradition, and of other religious beliefs, to help bring about a way of living in accordance with the Creator’s design. We support and encourage those working towards these aims.

We believe that all life is God-given and therefore to be highly respected – and that life, of course, includes all human life, particularly that of the most vulnerable, the unborn, and the terminally ill or dying. We hold strongly to a pro-life approach, both for humans and for sentient non-humans, and resist any suggestion that we care ‘only’ for animals at the expense of human life.* **

all-creatures.org/ca/
 
Please explain the ***purpose ***of your answer. Would you attend the blessing of the animals, on the feast of St. Francis, and disrupt the service to say this?? Again, what is the ***purpose ***of the posting of this response???
No, nor would I interrupt a blessing of the animals to spew some vegan eco-terrorist propaganda, either.

If you read the quote in my post, it was in response to that poster. Whatever that has to do with a blessing of the animals, I have no idea where you made that connection. I did not mention it at all.
 
Though I love your name, BiologyBrain, you may want to refresh/update your biology lessons!!! Human beings are not biologically related to cats (not even remotely). We are from a group of bipedal hominids–our closest biological relative is the chimpanzee (we share over 98% of DNA with the chimpanzee who does not eat meat.) If you want to construct a sound argument for humans eating meat, using cats as an example completely does not work. Cats are obligate carnivores, and have a completely different digestive system that is incomparible to humans. I advice you to do a little research on cats, protein, and the inability of cats to digest carbohydrates (the fuel of humans).
Bonobos are frugivores. AFAIK, chimps are omnivores – they will hunt monkeys.
 
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