Animals You Eat: Bad Meat!

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We had some great grilled pork chops last night with butter beans cooked with smoked neckbones,And no food police watching-or preaching.šŸ˜‰
And we were lucky they were marked down 50 percent or we couldn’t have afforded them.
hope this is not repetitious… but you did know… that Okinawans have more over 100 (yrs old) citizens than any other country… and they eat…

you guessed it…

PORK!!! and plenty of it…

so Jesus really did, apparently, declare all foods clean… (except maybe the meat of strangeled animals… but that was a disciple, not Jesus Himself…)

In any case, how the — do i know how my food is murdered??? Sheeze…

(i mean killed…)
 
we are judging the stewardship of the animals, the pollution, disease, and other problems of factory farming and wondering how anyone can support that in good conscience as a catholic.

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we are judging the stewardship of the humans created in God’s image, the abortions, the euthanasias, the stem cell harvestings and other problems of abusing humans and wondering how anyone can support that in good conscience as a Catholic…
 
i’m sorry if you feel judged personally, but rather than just say people are being elite and judgemental like some posters are, you could take a little time to understand the issues we are discussing here. some people don’t want to know what those issues are, they are just here to make noise. are you one of them? because i have put forth some questions about antibiotic resistance and pollution… that are not being responded to at all. what do you think of those things?
Pollution: bad. Overuse of antibiotics: bad. Mistreatment of animals: bad. There are already numerous municipal, township, county, state and federal agencies investigating, regulating and prosecuting such businesses. Is government somehow dropping the ball here?
 
Pollution: bad. Overuse of antibiotics: bad. Mistreatment of animals: bad. There are already numerous municipal, township, county, state and federal agencies investigating, regulating and prosecuting such businesses. Is government somehow dropping the ball here?
yeah, for sure… if it was so horrible, I’m sure the government, which so likes to control everything, :rolleyes:would do something…

Also: animals do not suffer in the same way as humans.

I mean, if you put animals in a pen with a lot of excrement & urine… it’s not like they are going to think: ā€œEEEEWWWWW, Yuck!!! Dude, i can’t handle this!!ā€
 
I’d also point out that there have been some interesting reports on news programs regarding plants ā€œfeelingā€ in some mysterious sense. I’d suspect that part of the problem with Vegans is that they greatly oversimplify the complexity and diversity of plant and animal life on the planet. They have what could be called a linear way of looking and analyzing information–usually to support their positions, which are positions which strangely resemble religious convictions. Although it’s been a while since I studied the heresy of Manichaeism (which Saint Augustine opposed and battled in his writings), there also seem some to be some similarities in regards to the dietary restrictions of these heretics and the beliefs of Vegans. As such, it would not seem possible for a well-informed Catholic to hold Vegan convictions.

Here is a good passage to read from Acts Chapter 10.

**9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray.

10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.

11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.

12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.

13Then a voice told him, ā€œGet up, Peter. Kill and eat.ā€

14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. ā€œI have never eaten anything impure or unclean.ā€

15The voice spoke to him a second time, ā€œDo not call anything impure that God has made clean.ā€**

In short, in order to be truly consistent and honest, it seems that the logical approach for Vegans is to stop eating altogether. šŸ™‚
 
You are absolutely right! I will no longer callously disregard the dignity of bacteria by washing my hands. After all, they are God’s creation and are ALIVE. I will drive at no more than 1 MPH, since I don’t want my windshield to slaughter innocent mosquitoes that are carrying equally innocent bacteria!
:rotfl:Your not serious, right? That is hilariously inane! You have a sharp whit!šŸ˜›
You may certainly choose to eat what you like. But, neither are you to judge those who eat differently, right?
The kingdom of God is not about eating and drinking. Yet, every time we try to show how the choices we make affect everybody around us, everybody acts like we are trying to tell them how to live. Why is that?:hmmm:
Maybe it is for the same reason smokers used to complain when non-smokers didn’t want their second hand smoke.:cool:
 
Pollution: bad. Overuse of antibiotics: bad. Mistreatment of animals: bad. There are already numerous municipal, township, county, state and federal agencies investigating, regulating and prosecuting such businesses. Is government somehow dropping the ball here?
:thumbsup:Very keen observation!
The government has always been a victim of the lobbyists who want people to ignore their bad practices. A perk here, a plug there, maybe a little donation to a political party, or something. It isn’t so much as they are dropping the ball. I think they are deliberately not catching it.
 
we are judging the stewardship of the humans created in God’s image, the abortions, the euthanasias, the stem cell harvestings and other problems of abusing humans and wondering how anyone can support that in good conscience as a Catholic…
that’s awesome, but you’re doing it in the wrong thread. abortion threads are down the hall and to your left. sounds like you have a lot you could contribute there, so you might wanna go check it out šŸ‘‹
 
I’d also point out that there have been some interesting reports on news programs regarding plants ā€œfeelingā€ in some mysterious sense. I’d suspect that part of the problem with Vegans is that they greatly oversimplify the complexity and diversity of plant and animal life on the planet. They have what could be called a linear way of looking and analyzing information–usually to support their positions, which are positions which strangely resemble religious convictions. Although it’s been a while since I studied the heresy of Manichaeism (which Saint Augustine opposed and battled in his writings), there also seem some to be some similarities in regards to the dietary restrictions of these heretics and the beliefs of Vegans. As such, it would not seem possible for a well-informed Catholic to hold Vegan convictions.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/picture.php?pictureid=1668&albumid=250&dl=1242279923&thumb=1
Genesis 1:29 God also said, ā€˜Look, to you I give all the seed-bearing plants everywhere on the surface of the earth, and all the trees with seed-bearing fruit; this will be your food.
30 And to all the wild animals, all the birds of heaven and all the living creatures that creep along the ground, I give all the foliage of the plants as their food.’ And so it was.
Here is a good passage to read from Acts Chapter 10.
**9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray.
10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.
11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
13Then a voice told him, ā€œGet up, Peter. Kill and eat.ā€
14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. ā€œI have never eaten anything impure or unclean.ā€
15The voice spoke to him a second time, ā€œDo not call anything impure that God has made clean.ā€**
Ah, but, you conveniently left out the conclusion that explains what the vision was about…
28 and Peter said to them, 'You know it is forbidden for Jews to mix with people of another race and visit them; but God has made it clear to me that I must not call anyone profane or unclean.
29 That is why I made no objection to coming when I was sent for…
Why do people keep insisting that this is an order to eat meat?:banghead:
In short, in order to be truly consistent and honest, it seems that the logical approach for Vegans is to stop eating altogether. šŸ™‚
Yeah.That makes sense…:cool:

What part about ā€œIt’s not about FOODā€ do you guys not understand? It is about the future of our planet.

:blush:sheesh!
 
Pollution: bad. Overuse of antibiotics: bad. Mistreatment of animals: bad. There are already numerous municipal, township, county, state and federal agencies investigating, regulating and prosecuting such businesses. Is government somehow dropping the ball here?
we agree then they are bad. and yet when you buy factory farmed meat, that is what you are supporting. that is the gripe we have when people defend factory farming. it’s not personal, it’s not that anyone thinks they are superior… but it does feel good to know that boycotting those things is part of the solution.

i have nothing against the sustainable, ethical farming of animals. i don’t think everyone necessarily has to go vegan. i just think it’s time for people to wake up and see what kind of problems factory farming puts on all of us who live on this planet, and stop supporting it.
 
we agree then they are bad. and yet when you buy factory farmed meat, that is what you are supporting. that is the gripe we have when people defend factory farming. it’s not personal, it’s not that anyone thinks they are superior… but it does feel good to know that boycotting those things is part of the solution.

i have nothing against the sustainable, ethical farming of animals. i don’t think everyone necessarily has to go vegan. i just think it’s time for people to wake up and see what kind of problems factory farming puts on all of us who live on this planet, and stop supporting it.
šŸ‘:amen::aok:
 
we agree then they are bad. and yet when you buy factory farmed meat, that is what you are supporting. that is the gripe we have when people defend factory farming. it’s not personal, it’s not that anyone thinks they are superior… but it does feel good to know that boycotting those things is part of the solution.

i have nothing against the sustainable, ethical farming of animals. i don’t think everyone necessarily has to go vegan. i just think it’s time for people to wake up and see what kind of problems factory farming puts on all of us who live on this planet, and stop supporting it.
Ditto!!! :clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
we agree then they are bad. and yet when you buy factory farmed meat, that is what you are supporting. that is the gripe we have when people defend factory farming. it’s not personal, it’s not that anyone thinks they are superior… but it does feel good to know that boycotting those things is part of the solution.
I fail to see the moral difference between a small, organic farmer killing an animal for you to eat, and a ā€œfactory farmā€ killing an animal for you to eat. Both profit from the death of the animal. If, in your words, a boycott is only ā€œpartā€ of ā€œthe solutionā€, then just what is your goal?
i have nothing against the sustainable, ethical (Emphasis mine - po18guy) l farming of animals. i don’t think everyone necessarily has to go vegan. i just think it’s time for people to wake up and see what kind of problems factory farming puts on all of us who live on this planet, and stop supporting it.
But, it is your unknown definitions of ā€œsustainableā€ and ā€œethicalā€ which drive this debate. Give me a reason to doubt that you would ban the eating of meat were it under your power.
 
I fail to see the moral difference between a small, organic farmer killing an animal for you to eat, and a ā€œfactory farmā€ killing an animal for you to eat. Both profit from the death of the animal. If, in your words, a boycott is only ā€œpartā€ of ā€œthe solutionā€, then just what is your goal?
The difference is the farm. One is probably a lot like the one in the kids books. And one is a festering malignancy of animal abuse and biohazards.
But, it is your unknown definitions of ā€œsustainableā€ and ā€œethicalā€ which drive this debate. Give me a reason to doubt that you would ban the eating of meat were it under your power.
It isn’t about the banning of eating meat. As I have said a gazillion times. I do not care if you eat meat. Just because I choose not to doesn’t mean you have to follow suit! What we are driving at is to stop the exploitation and abuse of the animals on the factory farms and clean up the sewage ponds and stop the spread of e.coli and salmonella into MY food! There is a slight possibility that if all of a sudden, the farms reverted to the way they were about 100 years ago,…I might have a steak. But, I cannot allow myself, in good conscience, to inadvertently contribute to the destruction of our planet by purchasing a product from companies that do not care about anybody except their bank account.
 
The difference is the farm. One is probably a lot like the one in the kids books. And one is a festering malignancy of animal abuse and biohazards.
Well, contact your state and federal representatives.
It isn’t about the banning of eating meat. As I have said a gazillion times. I do not care if you eat meat. Just because I choose not to doesn’t mean you have to follow suit! What we are driving at is to stop the exploitation and abuse of the animals on the factory farms and clean up the sewage ponds and stop the spread of e.coli and salmonella into MY food! There is a slight possibility that if all of a sudden, the farms reverted to the way they were about 100 years ago,…I might have a steak. But, I cannot allow myself, in good conscience, to inadvertently contribute to the destruction of our planet by purchasing a product from companies that do not care about anybody except their bank account.
Again, what is your government doing? Nothing?
 
Well, contact your state and federal representatives.
Fortunately, the Mormon Oligarchy which runs this state is pro-life. Unfortunately, if you are an animal welfare advocate, environmentalist or Vegan/vegetarian, you are liable to be suspect as a terrorist.
Again, what is your government doing? Nothing?
Pretty much. There are little efforts here and there. Smithfield foods has a large hog farm here. and it is a very ā€œcowboy-ishā€ state. Which is ok. I got a bit o cowboy in me, too!
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We all need to do something, no matter how insignificant it may seem. We must all be the change we want to see in the world.(:rolleyes:how cliche is that?)
 
I fail to see the moral difference between a small, organic farmer killing an animal for you to eat, and a ā€œfactory farmā€ killing an animal for you to eat. Both profit from the death of the animal. If, in your words, a boycott is only ā€œpartā€ of ā€œthe solutionā€, then just what is your goal?
animals on factory farms are treated as production units. they are kept in conditions that deprive them of everything that is natural to them, fed antibiotics and pesticides, and food that is not appropriate for them. they live in intensive confinement and very stressful conditions.

large farms also create lots of manure. the manure goes out, untreated into large pits, where it often ends up in the rivers and streams, air, soil, and groundwater. seriously look at what this does :eek:

factoryfarm.org/?page_id=19

wages are notoriously low on these factory farms and they often exploit undocumented immigrants too.

a boycott of farming that we feel is unethical is part of the solution… the other part is to get regulatory agencies off their duffs and enforcing laws that protect the community and shared resources.
But, it is your unknown definitions of ā€œsustainableā€ and ā€œethicalā€ which drive this debate. Give me a reason to doubt that you would ban the eating of meat were it under your power.
well sustainable -i like this definition: ā€œthe attempt to provide the best outcomes for both human and natural environments both now and in the indefinite future.ā€ obviously, enormous, festering sewer lagoons filled and spilling into water supplies don’t fit that bill.

ethical… well there was a time when animals were raised in environments that provided for at least most their natural needs. nesting materials, straw to lay on, room to spread their wings or turn around, adequate exercise and grazing/proper food. industrial farming denies them all of this, and because of cramped quarters, they have to be ā€œmodifiedā€ without anesthetic, and fed antibiotics to keep them in reasonable health. chickens have been genetically modified in harmful ways too - they grow so large so fast, that their little legs can’t support them, and their internal organs fail. turkeys have to be artificially inseminated because they carry too much breast meat to reproduce naturally.

now if you’re caring properly for your animals, they are healthy and don’t need antibiotics or hormones to make them grow or produce. you’ll also need more workers, and you need to keep them around… so you pay them a fair wage. since you’re not putting 10,000 animals into a single shed, you don’t have to pump out tons of raw sewage into open pits for the rest of the community to deal with.

you will probably note, the vegetarian/vegan movement did not take off until factory farms took over family farms and the truth about them started come out. that is because most people are satisfied with humane treatment of farmed animals in settings that aren’t toxic to the public, and don’t exploit workers. the longer factory farming goes on, the more momentum is gained by the veg movement - and incidents like this latest flu epidemic and continued destruction of the environment are fueling the trend.

ultimately what i see is that the meat eaters will cause their own meat eating demise by keeping these places open and profiting. there will be a deadly flu, or lots of deaths from antibiotic resistant e. coli, or contaminated water. and when that happens, it will be a crisis, and there will suddenly be a host of new laws and regulations, most of them probably pretty stupid, in an attempt to correct the situation. the excess we live in right now can’t end in any other way if people don’t start curbing their appetites for animal based foods.
 
that’s awesome, but you’re doing it in the wrong thread. abortion threads are down the hall and to your left. sounds like you have a lot you could contribute there, so you might wanna go check it out šŸ‘‹
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Thanks for trying to keep the discussion on track - obviously not an easy task šŸ˜‰
 

We had some great grilled pork chops last night with butter beans cooked with smoked neckbones,And no food police watching-or preaching.šŸ˜‰
And we were lucky they were marked down 50 percent or we couldn’t have afforded them.
IF YOU FIND THESE DISCUSSIONS — OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE REALLY GOOD AND POSSIBLY EVEN SPIRITUALLY MOTIVATED REASONS TO CONSIDER OMITTING MEAT FROM THE DIET — SO COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE…

W H Y ------ LET ME REPEAT ---- W H Y ARE YOU ALWAYS JOINING THE DISCUSSIONS??? :banghead:

WHO IS JUDGING WHO?
 
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