Another man dies in police custody after disturbing video

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gracepoole said:
I’m confused. I thought the race-related problems we were experiencing were a product of Obama being president – he “stoked the racial fires.” Why, then, is this happening under Trump?
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How did Obama stock the fires of racism? I remember turning anti-Obama in his tenure but it was because of his aggressive attitude towards the church, with the contraceptive/LGBTQ issues which had churches/church-aligned groups facing legal situations (I remember the Little Sisters of the poor law suit and a Lutheran-run school getting sued for not hiring an openly gay man to work in its church school). I don’t remember what he’s supposed to have done to make racism a thing. I think it’s a ridiculous charge.
 
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gracepoole:
I’m confused. I thought the race-related problems we were experiencing were a product of Obama being president – he “stoked the racial fires.” Why, then, is this happening under Trump?
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How did Obama stock the fires of racism? I remember turning anti-Obama in his tenure but it was because of his aggressive attitude towards the church, with the contraceptive/LGBTQ issues which had churches/church-aligned groups facing legal situations (I remember the Little Sisters of the poor law suit and a Lutheran-run school getting sued for not hiring an openly gay man to work in its church school). I don’t remember what he’s supposed to have done to make racism a thing. I think it’s a ridiculous charge.
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Of course it is. That was the point.
 
That’s where court reform and prison reform come in. Don’t ask me the details; ask Bernie Sanders and his disciples. We need to elect people who are willing to stake their careers and reputations on improving the conditions of minorities AND who have the political skills necessary to demand that Congress make changes. I don’t pretend to have the answers or the “magic bullet” to any of the ills of our society including racism. One suggestion I had offered in a previous post was ongoing psychological testing of police officers to determine whether they are mentally fit to wield the power of life and death by deadly force. What I do know for certain, however, is that ANY form of violence will not make matters better, only worse.
 
What? You’re not convinced by a bunch of white Republicans telling how much worse Obama made racism.
 
I dunno. It strikes me that lighting the city on fire is getting some attention. It took two and half months for Georgia to finally lay charges against the three vigilantes that killed Ahmaud Arbery.
 
See, I don’t agree with this and he was on his neck for 9 minutes! But…

One expert told us today, that “unless someone is fighting and actively resisting, there is never reason to apply pressure to the neck area.”

While it appears that the neck restraint did not cause the death of Floyd and was indeed a “non-lethal” application as the policy refers to, the outrage over the act will have many questioning the policies and training of the Minneapolis Police Department.

As another expert told us, “they should be questioned and one thing is now abundantly clear, much of the blame in regard to the use of the neck restraint is now placed directly on the leadership of the City of Minneapolis and the Minneapolis Police Department.”
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And another thing I think is Police should be wearing those cameras… sometimes they do, I think I’ve heard somehow they can opt out sometimes. I don’t know how all of that works.

So, a big flaw in having this procedure in their manual, maybe if you have some guy who is on PCP or something and stronger than a mountain lion, you might have to use it but not all the time.
 
It’s getting attention all right, negative attention. But it does nothing to stop similar incidents from happening again. Only the law and its diligent enforcement can do that.
 
I’m thinking a few cities burning will probably convince state and local governments that tangible reforms are necessary. Being polite has accomplished nothing.
 
Tell that to MLK and his followers. No amount of modern-day violence can effect real change in the way the protests of the Civil Rights movement did.
 
dvdjs said:
And that has absolutely nothing to do with this murder.
Nothing at all.
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It has everything to do with this. The riots and criminal reaction of the mobs is fueled not by concern of racism but rather raw anger. Various other similar incidences don’t evoke the reaction we are seeing now. The time just seems right for a large population to act out criminally.
Too many media outlets are aiding and abetting.
 
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meltzerboy2 said:
Past behavior often strongly influences present behavior. Please read up on the history of the formation of the State of Israel, the Palestinian people, and the surrounding Arab nations, and then tell me that the actions of the current Palestinian leaders are fully justified, that they are completely in the right whereas Israel is completely in the wrong.
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I’d suggest doing that reading yourself, sir. 🙂 Israelis moving into Palestinian territory and the Israeli military then moving in “for protection” and then taking over the land is a PRESENT WRONG condemned by every official body that has looked into the matter. It’s like you find an 8th grader currently taking lunch from a first-grader who is reacting with a tantrum and you’re saying, “but, but, it’s complicated.” Any fair-minded person would at least say, “that 8th grader needs to stop taking the first grader’s lunch pronto before we can start talking about how he found himself in the first grader’s corner in the first place.”
 
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dvdjs:
And that has absolutely nothing to do with this murder.
Nothing at all.
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It has everything to do with this. The riots and criminal reaction of the mobs is fueled not by concern of racism but rather raw anger. Various other similar incidences don’t evoke the reaction we are seeing now. The time just seems right for a large population to act out criminally.
Too many media outlets are aiding and abetting.
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Huh? There are countless examples of rioting in response to similar events in the last decade alone.
 
dvdjs said:
This wanton murder is this wanton murder,
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What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Where is there footage prior to the arrest?
Where is the autopsy result?

The massive rioting and criminal reaction of so many is sickening.
People have lost their minds…holding others hostage.
Creepy

These increasing violent riots and stress on law enforcement is leading quickly to a military state.
 
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We can go on and on arguing about this, but it was an analogy I made to the current case, so let’s agree to disagree. I can only say that the details of the conflict in the ME are based on past events, past failed negotiations, past wars between Israel and virtually all its neighboring Arab nations, and so on. All of this plays a role in the land dispute according to previous (temporary) peace treaties. It is a complicated situation, not nearly as black-and-white (no pun intended) as you tend to make it.
 
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