Another man dies in police custody after disturbing video

[Victoria33]

I don’t think he will be acquitted, the central officer in this.

It looks like his partner from the picture and name I saw (I don’t know if this has been officially released information btw) is a Hmong, so he was fired too. Along with the two other officers, I guess no one stopped the action.

The city will probably pay millions in this wrongful death.

The wrongdoing here is pretty clear I think. I know there was a case of a few years ago, where they, Minneapolis Police, were chasing someone through a park and they claimed it looked like the suspect had a gun though that was never proven and the suspect was shot dead. No, the suspect was not black. He was Hmong of all things. That was about 10 years ago. No one was found guilty in that case. I don’t know what the civil implications were, if anyone was sued. That case was a big deal too.

I think sometimes, police are rough with people, maybe handcuffs are put on too tight and things like this. I think here, it sounds like the police were too rough with the suspect (I mean, that’s obvious but I think that occurred).

 

[Boatswain2PA]

I doubt it. He murdered him. Held him down by the neck for at least 7 minutes. It’s on videotape.

Not the first time a police officer(s) have murdered a person on videotape and got away with it.

How about the guy in Kansas who was shot on his front porch after being “swatted” over a video game. Innocent guy, standing there, just turned around and murdered. Police were just “following their training.”

I know a bunch of people hope he gets a pass for this in trump’s amerikkka but I don’t think so.

I don’t know ANYONE, not a single person, who “hopes he gets a pass”. If you “know a bunch of people” who think this way, then you need better friends!

And your referral to Trump’s amerikkka is absolutely disgusting.

The cold blooded white supremacist murder is on video.

I have seen no indication that the officer’s are racist, let alone “white supremacists”.

Do we really trust the FBI these days?

The guys on the street? Yes.

The guys on the 7th floor? I’ll tell you in 2 more years.

 

[StudentMI]

I have seen no indication that the officer’s are racist, let alone “white supremacists”.

Indeed this is an unfortunate pulling of the race cars in a subject that touches on every group regardless of skin color. One can find cases like this involving whites as well.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Everyone is pro-Social-Justice. We just may disagree on what a just society means.

Kaepernick has done nothing to actually promote a just society. He has simply divided us by disrespecting our national anthem.

Just like disgusting posts about “Trumps amerikka” do nothing but divide us and is as inflammatory as anything I have read on CAF.

 

[StudentMI]

Social justice is indeed an important part of the Church’s social teaching which is part of the moral teaching of the Magisterium. It’s not really negotiable and the Church offers true guidance as to how to achieve it. As a country we are a long long way from achieving it.

 

[billsherman]

It’d be nice to hear Kaepernick talk about conditions in Cuban prisons, human rights in Cuba… if one is going this route.

I know it’s tangential to the point, but you kind of asked. I worked with an undocumented immigrant from Cuba. He was an anti-Communist protester. He was persecuted for his views and fled to the US. He was detained by ICE, and his asylum application was rejected (the judge said he had nothing to fear from returning to Cuba). He was returned to Cuba and imprisoned. He was just released on parole.

I talked to him on Easter. He’s doing well. He also said that the Cuban prison was more humane than ICE detention. In Cuba they actually gave him his diabetes medication. ICE didn’t.

 

[Pattylt]

Has anyone else noticed that the biggest tool African Americans are now using to show us the injustice they endure at the hands of police is the video camera in their phones? Lately, every time an AA is pulled over or has a confrontation, they start filming it. It speaks more powerfully than the protests, the speeches and all the awareness measures they tried before. Now, they just turn on the cameras. Good for them! It’s showing us that we’re failing and need to be better.

 

[billsherman]

Has anyone else noticed that the biggest tool African Americans are now using to show us the injustice they endure at the hands of police is the video camera in their phones?

How much longer until the Supreme Court reverses itself and rules that recording the police is a crime? Cynical I know, but it would be an easy way to push racial violence back under the rug where many whites would like it to remain.

 

[Pattylt]

Good question! I know that the courts have defended the right to film the public when they are…in the public. It’s being promoted to have officers wear and use cameras when making arrests and the police don’t like it! So, could the courts determine the public has no right to film the police? I’d fight that tooth and nail…we absolutely have the right to film public activities with devices we own!

 

[Victoria33]

I know it’s tangential to the point, but you kind of asked. I worked with an undocumented immigrant from Cuba. He was an anti-Communist protester. He was persecuted for his views and fled to the US. He was detained by ICE, and his asylum application was rejected (the judge said he had nothing to fear from returning to Cuba). He was returned to Cuba and imprisoned. He was just released on parole.

I talked to him on Easter. He’s doing well. He also said that the Cuban prison was more humane than ICE detention. In Cuba they actually gave him his diabetes medication. ICE didn’t.

If things are so great in Cuba, why are people fleeing on flimsy rafts to reach the US? Hundreds if not thousands every year? Why did he flee Cuba?

These Cubans Risked It All to Escape Communism. See How They Sailed to America.

Since Fidel Castro seized power in 1959, a steady stream of Cuban refugees has taken to the waves in a desperate attempt to escape the Communist regime.

www.dailysignal.com

Your story is totally anecdotal. There are many stories of people being killed in Castro’s prisons besides torture and so on.

How much longer until the Supreme Court reverses itself and rules that recording the police is a crime? Cynical I know, but it would be an easy way to push racial violence back under the rug where many whites would like it to remain.

Before we start to make this a racial issue, let’s not forget, more whites are killed by the police and also, that some of these cases involve a black police officer shooting at a black suspect.

Even right now in Cuba, there is a political prisoner, Ferrer, who is in the news a lot. Let’s remember all of this.

EU condemns Cuba for detention of leading dissident Jose Daniel Ferrer

The European parliament joined the United States on Thursday in condemning Cuba's detention and reported mistreatment of leading dissident Jose Daniel Ferrer, whom the Communist government in Havana calls a US-backed counter-revolutionary.

en.mercopress.com

EU condemns Cuba for detention of leading dissident Jose Daniel Ferrer​

So, the above case mentioned seems to be rare at that… but that is another topic…

 

[StudentMI]

Isn’t it also the case that most interracial violence is black on white?

 

[billsherman]

If things are so great in Cuba, why are people fleeing on flimsy rafts to reach the US?

He doesn’t think things are great in Cuba, which is why I wrote that he was “an anti-Communist protestor.” He hates Cuba with a burning passion.

Why did he flee Cuba?

Because he was being persecuted for his political beliefs. I thought I mentioned that.

Your story is totally anecdotal.

Yes it is. But it is not anecdotal that ICE has a pretty bad record treating detained immigrants:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/health/doctors-ice-detention-coronavirus/index.html

What Is Happening at Migrant Detention Centers? Here's What to Know

Adults and children have been held for days, weeks, or even months in cramped cells

time.com

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/06/politics/ice-detention-center-ig-report/index.html

Federal judge finds 'likely' constitutional violation in ICE detention at 2 California facilities

U.S. District Court Judge Vince Chhabria did not immediately order a release of those detainees. But he did order a review process to identify people for release in order to enable social distancing inside the centers.

www.ktvu.com

 

[Victoria33]

Do you take note as much of those who enter our country illegally and have killed Americans? Or commit acts of rape? I’m not going to back this info up because this is now veering to far off topic but I know it happens and is not altogether uncommon.

 

[billsherman]

Do you take note as much of those who enter our country illegally and have killed Americans? Or commit acts of rape?

Huh? How is that related to anything discussed here?

You opened this line of inquiry by writing about Cuban prison conditions. I retorted that prison conditions in the US are sometimes worse, and provided some examples.

I’m not going to back this info up because this is now veering to far off topic

That is certainly true.

 

[Victoria33]

Huh? How is that related to anything discussed here?

It seems plenty related when one talks about the people who are incarcerated and by the way, just saying one is “anti-Communist” may not be sufficient proof. I note, your answer was not a direct affirmation to what I wrote. Thank you for the courteous response. Feel free at anytime, to respond as to whether dangerous people have come into this country illegally and have victimized Americans.

Political Prisoners​

According to the Cuban Commission for Human Rights and National Reconciliation, as of October, Cuba was holding 109 political prisoners. The government denies independent human rights groups access to its prisons. The groups believe that additional political prisoners, whose cases they have been unable to document, remain locked up.

Cubans who criticize the government continue to face the threat of criminal prosecution. They do not benefit from due process guarantees, such as the right to fair and public hearings by a competent and impartial tribunal. In practice, courts are subordinate to the executive and legislative branches.

World Report 2020: Rights Trends in Cuba

www.hrw.org

Political prisoners in Cuba have been in the news for decades and it is a closed society. So information is difficult to obtain. On that basis alone, I would dismiss your assertions.

I’m sure in every country virtually, one can find problems with the prison system. Even some place like Switzerland…

I’m not aware of any political prisoners the US currently holds.

Cuba’s prisons:

So, for starters how many people were killed by Fidel and his communist dystopia?

Unfortunately, no one truly knows, akin to how no one knows how many poor souls he tossed into his jails, from political dissidents to priests to homosexuals. Fidel’s prison-state has never permitted human-rights observers, reminiscent of how he never permitted the elections he repeatedly promised in the 1950s. That said, many sources have tried to pin down numbers and have generated some common estimates:

Death by Fidel - The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

Fidel Castro is dead. To say those words is so strange. I’ve never known a moment when he wasn’t alive.

spectator.org

 

[Balto1]

He will most likely be acquitted.

I think there’s a good chance he gets convicted, but then it’s almost certain that his case will be overturned on federal appeal due to the horrific “qualified immunity” caselaw in this country.

 

[Balto1]

I’m not aware of any political prisoners the US currently holds.

In addition to the many prisoners in U.S. prisons that fit the common stereotype of a political prisoner, everyone in prison for a non-violent drug offense is a political prisoner.

 

[Victoria33]

No matter what president did it, we should have kept a policy to allow Cubans more safety and security to come to the United States:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/12/politics/us-to-end-wet-foot-dry-foot-policy-for-cubans/index.html

 

[27lw]

What was that cop thinking? How and why was he kneeling on him for those long minutes? In addition to the horrific loss of life, doesn’t he have a clue as to how he just set back a lot of things? The victim and his family have paid the ultimate price, but Minneapolis and other cops are going to pay some of the price.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Cynical I know, but it would be an easy way to push racial violence back under the rug where many whites would like it to remain.

You have a terrible opinion of whites in American.

I dont know anyone who thinks the way you suggest.