Another man dies in police custody after disturbing video

[Rubee]

No wonder the African American community is afraid of the police.

Thanks to mobile phone cameras, it’ll get more and more difficult to hide this sort of thing. If that lady hadn’t recorded this, the story told might’ve been very different.

 

[Rubee]

This Catholic woman is talking to you Victoria. It’s only a few minutes. Actually this woman is talking to a big group of people at Catholic Answers Forums.

I too, am Black, and like this lady, not an African American (I.e. she’s not a decendant of the people who were brought into the U.S as slaves); I can tell from her accent. She describes EXACTLY the same shock and disappointment I felt whenever I read reactions by people calling themselves orthodox Catholics to the shooting incidents. I know protestants with a similar background who felt likewise disappointed by their American Evangelical co-religionists. This is what primarily turned me from being a conservative to an “it depends on exactly what issue we discussing” politics. I then discovered that besides the pro-life stance on abortion, there’s very little I agree with on the right when it comes to other issues. I will not join the Democrats because of the abortion issue; but neither can I be Republican. I was happy to listen to her. Thank you for the video.

 

[Victoria33]

I too, am Black, and like this lady, not an African American (I.e. she’s not a decendant of the people who were brought into the U.S as slaves); I can tell from her accent.

Thank goodness for pundits like Larry Elder and Candace Owen and so on. Telling us what it is like.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Terrifying

Just because you disagree with something doesnt mean its “TERRIFYING!”, or xenophobic. I hope we can sometime soon stop the hyperbole.

Very, very few immigrants who claim asylum are actually fleeing political prosecution (or other legitimate reasons for asylum). The vast, vast majority are economic refugees.

Unfortunately our system rewards those who falsely claim asylum, thus iverwhel.ing our court systems.

 

[josie_L]

From what I just read the majority of judges grant asylum with a percentage exceeding 50%.

So it hardly qualifies that under Trump judges are pandering for promotions thereby denying “asylum seekers” en masse, especially since the stats you provided include the years 2014, 2015 and 2016.

 

[PaulinVA]

Once he was cuffed he should have been stood up and placed in the police car.

Of course.

Kaepernick has done nothing to do with any of this. His “stand” was a selfish self aggrandizing act.

I’m an old white guy, and I think what he did was bold and useful for the country.

It brought attention to the way the police treat black men, it brought attention to whites’ attitudes toward black people, and it brought attention to the fact that, while Americans, black people still are not treated with respect.

Edited to add: I’m also a veteran, and I think that one can show a love for this country, and a desire to force it to live up to its ideals, by protesting the Pledge of Allegiance.

Further Edit: Getting upset when a black man in America refuses to say “with liberty and justice for all” is denying the problem.

 

[Horton]

I’m an old white guy, and I think what he did was bold and useful for the country.

It brought attention to the way the police treat black men, it brought attention to whites’ attitudes toward black people, and it brought attention to the fact that, while Americans, black people still are not treated with respect.

I disagree. You are painting with a very broad brush there. “The police” as in all police treat blacks differently? “Whites’ attitudes” as in all white people feel the same about black people? “American black people” are not treated with respect as in no black person is treated with respect?

Getting upset when a black man in America refuses to say “with liberty and justice for all” is denying the problem.

It would be upsetting if that was his message, however it wasn’t.

 

[PaulinVA]

@Horton , at first I wasn’t going to engage with you, but I decided to just ask you to read this:

https://www.benjerry.com/home/whats-new/2016/systemic-racism-is-real

 

[Horton]

I did not say racism wasn’t real. Go back and read what I wrote and what I actually responded to. Don’t put your liberal spin on it so you can put words in my mouth. Actually I’ll copy it below and bold the parts you need to pay attention to.

I disagree. You are painting with a very broad brush there. “The police” as in ALL police treat blacks differently? “Whites’ attitudes” as in ALL white people feel the same about black people? “American black people” are not treated with respect as in NO black person is treated with respect?

So now do you get what I was saying?

Edited to add - The discussion was not about racism in general, it was about what you claim Kaepernick was trying to say.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

During a no knock raid here a few years ago a little girl in the living room was pelted with a tear gas can during the start of the raid and freaked out. When police broke the door in they shot her in the head.

I think there was an incident within the past month in which the police executed a warrant at the wrong address. The police said they announced their presence. The surviving person of the incident said that they did not (It’s possible that at such hours of the night that if they did make an announcement that the people sleeping inside did not hear it until they heard their door being broken down). Afraid for their lives a member of the couple fired at the intruders. The police fired back, I believe killing the woman of the couple. Later it was realized they were at the wrong address.

 

[PaulinVA]

@Horton , no, the discussion in this thread is about yet another black man killed by the police.

If you want to take the tack that some white people aren’t prejudiced or some police officers are nice to blacks, or some black people are treated with respect, you go right ahead.

However, every time we turn around there is another incident of white people using state resources to oppress black people. Or worse.

I’m just tired of it.

 

[ThinkingSapien]

I doubt it. He murdered him.

“Murdered” is a legally loaded term. If the other implications of loaded are not meant than “killed” might be the better term, at least until there is a conviction.

 

[Canvas]

You might read the thread. Someone is posting Lebron James and Colin Kaepernick on this thread. I resent the name calling here as well. I am not going to bow down to the names of Lebron James and Colin Kaepernick being used on this thread as if they are above criticism. And yes, Kaepernick hardly stands for justice to me, if he is wearing Fidel Castro t-shirts, that is an extremely oppressive system. Perhaps read what people are discussing. This seems more like an attempt to deride and censor and shame someone. Someone mentioned some ICE detention system vs. Cuba’s prisons. This was a very unfair statement.

I read the thread. George Floyd was a victim of what appears to be a very serious abuse of power by the police. I mean, the video is extremely troubling.

I never said you should “bow down” to LeBron James. Or any other person.

Just stop.

 

[Xystus]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/minneapolis-burns-riots-over-george-floyd-death-lead-to-arson-destruction-of-property-looting

 

[Victoria33]

It’s very alarming to see this used as a racial issue.

Police kill more whites.

Black police officers have been involved in these shootings, no matter who the suspect/victim is or their color.

This is all just emotionalism and I’m sick of it. We should look at the situation in a fair and balanced way.

Who kills the most black young males? Obviously, by a long shot, it isn’t the police.

I’m just as alarmed at crime in the city, not just when it is a white police officer that has done something.

Things like this have never happened to a white person?

This is just divisive rhetoric.

Also, pay attention,

Minneapolis Police Department has some sort of minority head, something like that. Maybe they have the best person in that job… but this shows, it is probably important to get the best person in there.

There was also the case of the Australian woman who was shot and killed by a Somali Minneapolis Police Officer. I didn’t see people out looting Target and burning these businesses down. Was her name something like Justine Damond or something? I vaguely remember that from last Summer I believe.

This incident.

Justine Damond's fiance speaks out about fatal police shooting

For the first time, the fiance of Justine Damond is speaking about her death by a former Minneapolis police officer. She was shot in 2017 after calling 911 to report a possible sexual assault near her home.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[pnewton]

She describes EXACTLY the same shock and disappointment I felt whenever I read reactions by people calling themselves orthodox Catholics to the shooting incidents.

I do not like to lump too many problems together. Most shootings take place in a matter of a few seconds. This incident required a callous disregard of a prisoner under his control, along with the unwillingness of other officers who were sworn to protect the public to intervene. Not even all shootings involve police, as in the Aubrey shooting. Some involve criminals, some do not. So while the trends, that is, statistics, can show us where we are failing as a society, individual cases have to be seen individually. There is one black activist around here I kind of like - Quannel X. In order to be more educated on the stuff he was commenting on (a rarity in our society), he studied the decisions officers had to make with the framework of time and training. He still is scathing in his condemnations, but he reserves that for when it applies. I know a couple of occasions where he has traveled to comfort the families of the one who died and yet said he understood the police had no choice.

I really would no mind civilian oversight as long as it was educated civilian oversight.

It’s very alarming to see this used as a racial issue.

This will always be a racial issue until the racial disparity is brought to near zero. We’ve been working on it, but still have a ways to go. Denying the racial component does no more good than the looting that reinforces racism.

 

[Nepperhan]

Kaepernick has done nothing to actually promote a just society.

Protesting unjust violence is promoting a just society.

Kaepernick has done nothing to do with any of this. His “stand” was a selfish self aggrandizing act.

Endangering a multi-million dollar career for a charitable cause he believed in? There’s nothing selfish or self-aggrandizing about that.

 

[Nepperhan]

Isn’t it also the case that most interracial violence is black on white?

1. The vast majority of crime does not cross ethnic or racial lines.
2. Most property crime involves a poor person taking advantage of someone less poor.
3. Minority people, in general, have less money than non-minorities.

 

[meltzerboy2]

Young black men live in danger of being shot by each other AND by the police, whether the latter are black or white. Let’s not take sides regarding the dangers facing young black men. They face a double whammy, especially those who live in all-black neighborhoods.

Still, there is no excuse for the looting and burning, whatever the anger and frustration on the part of the Black community. Those who loot and burn should be arrested, just as the police officers who (allegedly) committed murder should be. Indiscriminate violence solves NOTHING, and even makes the racial divide wider. I take no sides regarding lawlessness.

 

[Horton]

@Horton , no, the discussion in this thread is about yet another black man killed by the police

. . . . I will try to explain this as plainly as I can. You and I were discussing what Kaepernick did as evidenced below:

Horton:

Kaepernick has done nothing to do with any of this. His “stand” was a selfish self aggrandizing act.

I’m an old white guy, and I think what he did was bold and useful for the country.

You the stated:

It brought attention to the way the police treat black men, it brought attention to whites’ attitudes toward black people, and it brought attention to the fact that, while Americans, black people still are not treated with respect.

Which I responded to with this:

I disagree. You are painting with a very broad brush there. “The police” as in all police treat blacks differently? “Whites’ attitudes” as in all white people feel the same about black people? “American black people” are not treated with respect as in no black person is treated with respect?

Which I had to clarify with this post after you implied I said racism wasn’t real:

I disagree. You are painting with a very broad brush there. “The police” as in ALL police treat blacks differently? “Whites’ attitudes” as in ALL white people feel the same about black people? “American black people” are not treated with respect as in NO black person is treated with respect?

If you want to take the tack that some white people aren’t prejudiced or some police officers are nice to blacks, or some black people are treated with respect, you go right ahead.

Yes I do want to take this tack. If you and your white friends are all racist towards black people and treat them with little to no respect, and the police in your area are all against black people, you go right ahead.

I choose to believe we are far more evolved than that. I choose to believe we as a society have made tremendous progress since the 1960s. I choose to believe we live in a society that respects people of all origins & colors. I choose to believe the day will come when the shade of one’s skin is not a factor at all.

However, every time we turn around there is another incident of white people using state resources to oppress black people. Or worse

This is an incident of 4 cops, two who we know are white, (I haven’t seen film yet of the other two) killing one black man. I believe this is murder plain & simple. I do not jump to conclusions quickly in situations where the police are filmed supposedly doing something wrong, I want the whole story before I make a judgement. However in this situation, the rest of the story is not going to mitigate what that cop did.