Another man dies in police custody after disturbing video

[Balto1]

But it draws attention in a negative way by showing how lawless Blacks are that they have no respect for another’s property and livelihood.Of course it would be a mistake to blame the whole Black community for the lawlessness of a few. But a lot of the White community, who border on prejudiced attitudes toward Blacks to begin with, do not see it that way. They will blame all Blacks and further separate themselves from their cause.

In my opinion white people should stop blaming racism on black people.

Peaceful protest, yes indeed; violence for ANY cause, never. MLK did more by nonviolent means for the Black community and the whole nation than any violent protester ever did.

Pretty much every time violent institutional racism has been dismantled, or merely challenged/weakened, anti-racist violence has been required. The '50s and '60s civil rights movement in America had MLK, but it also had Malcolm X, the Black Panthers, numerous radical leftwing terrorist groups, and a populace ready to burn down cities. The Indian independence movement had Gandhi, but it also had violent trade union actions and freedom fighters ready and willing to gun down Brits. Mandela gave up on nonviolence because guess what, it doesn’t work (in a vacuum; combined with the implied threat of violence from other parties it’s much more useful).

What kind of sick freak loots?

imagine trying to imply a moral equivalence between theft and murder

These type of people perpetuate black stereotypes as violent criminals.

racism will end once black people shape up!

 

[pnewton]

imagine trying to imply a moral equivalence between theft and murder

I did not. Yet, your question was loaded and absurd. Sick? Freak? The way to ask that question would have been, “What kind of person shoots another for looting.” Then I could explain that looting is stealing, and if someone is there when they do that ( a necessity for being shot), it is robbery and considered a crime of violence.

If someone breaks into a home to steal, say a toaster, he would not be shot over a toaster, but over the act of breaking in which is a threat to the person. Personnel at the store have an equal right to be threatened by people breaking in. The reason or the item sought is not relevant.

I really did not image there would be a defense of the looters, but then I should never be surprised at what might be defended. That, to me is far more “freakish” and sick.

 

[Balto1]

Sick? Freak? The way to ask that question would have been, “What kind of person shoots another for looting.”

The only kind of person who would kill another human being over them taking a TV or whatever is profoundly disturbed.

 

[pnewton]

Pretty much every time violent institutional racism has been dismantled, or merely challenged/weakened, anti-racist violence has been required.

So much for your shock at shooting someone for looting. You also support violence? I think your history is understanding is faulty. Martin Luther King made the strides, as did Ghandi. The idea that violence must accompany change is nothing but an excuse for violence. If there is going to be violence, then do not belittle those who defend themselves against that violence when it is direct and imminent.

I will bet that this looting and arson will have a negative effect on race relations. Committing felon crimes does not convince people of reason and innocence. It convinces people that there are a lot of arsonists, thieves and robbers.

The only kind of person who would kill another human being over them taking a TV or whatever is profoundly disturbed.

Again, it is not over the TV, but the intrusion that takes place to get the TV.

 

[Balto1]

You also support violence?

I support anti-racists who turn to violence in response to violent institutional racism. I hope I get to give a high five to John Brown up in heaven.

Again, it is not over the TV, but the intrusion that takes place to get the TV.

What kind of sick freak would kill someone for breaking into an Autozone store?

 

[Rubee]

I don’t get why it would be removed, either. It’s a catholic video talking about a section of catholics and their perspective on the subject this thread falls under. It has no abuse or vulgarity. And it is very short.

 

[meltzerboy2]

Don’t forget the burning of the store as well, which means destroying people’s property and livelihood, particularly painful in this time of the pandemic. Those who engage in violence will be met with violence. The cycle just repeats itself and escalates. It is NOT the way to achieve justice and liberty for African Americans, Arab Palestinians or any other group of oppressed people. Lasting peace and freedom are ultimately achieved only through legal means, peaceful protests, boycotting, court and prison reforms, and antidiscrimination legislation and enforcement, not by senseless violence that inevitably leads to bloodshed and the death of innocent lives, including the lives of people of color.

 

[Canvas]

I’m just as alarmed at crime in the city, not just when it is a white police officer that has done something.

Things like this have never happened to a white person?

1. A police officer is paid to protect and to serve. We expect more from a sworn officer of the law than a common criminal.
2. White people have been killed and abused unjustly by the authorities, but that is not what happened here.

A black man, George Floyd, was arrested for (allegedly) some crime involving a check. Whatever happened that was not filmed is irrelevant. What was on film was horrifying. The police officer was kneeling on George Floyd’s neck for quite a long time, despite the fact that Floyd was restrained, handcuffed, on the ground, and there were three other cops present and repeatedly Mr. Floyd told the officers he was having trouble breathing. The people in the crowd were practically begging the police to stop. The Officer kept his knee on the neck of Mr. Floyd even after Floyd was clearly out cold. I do not know what was going on in the mind of the police officer, but this seemed absolutely sadistic to me when I watched it. I cannot see any justification whatsoever for the amount of force used on Mr. Floyd by the officer or any reason he needed to be kneeling on the man’s neck. And this was not something done in a tense situation in a split second (like where an unarnmed man might make a sudden movement and the cop fires without properly assesing the situation). This was a drawn out, brutal affair.

 

[Canvas]

She describes EXACTLY the same shock and disappointment I felt whenever I read reactions by people calling themselves orthodox Catholics to the shooting incidents.

I am a white male American Catholic and I am also very dissapointed with the reactions of so many Catholics to these incidents (as well as other important social justice issues like poverty, immigrant rights, and to making sure everyone has access to medical care).

 

[Balto1]

Don’t forget the burning of the store as well, which means destroying people’s property and livelihood, particularly painful in this time of the pandemic.

The employees will go on unemployment which, thanks to Bernie Sanders, will likely be more than the slave wages they were making. The store and the goods inside were insured. This is an incredibly minor thing to get worked up over compared to the murder this is all about.

The cycle just repeats itself and escalates.

Yup, Spike Lee made this movie 30 years ago. And just like many white viewers of Do the Right Thing get more upset at Mookie vandalizing the pizzeria than they do at the cops murdering Radio Raheem, many white people today get more upset over a Target store burning than the death of George Floyd.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

many white people today get more upset over a Target store burning than the death of George Floyd.

I believe that is the second time you have said this.

Can you name one “white person” who is more upset about the looting of a target store than this terrible death?

 

[StudentMI]

Yup, Spike Lee made this movie 30 years ago. And just like many white viewers of Do the Right Thing get more upset at Mookie vandalizing the pizzeria than they do at the cops murdering Radio Raheem…

I was more upset over the insinuation that all white people are secretly harboring racist feelings than a fictional death.

And the fact that the director filmed a nude scene not showing the actress’ face because she was crying at the humiliation she was undergoing.

 

[meltzerboy2]

There are plenty of white people who are protesting in Minneapolis at the moment as I can see on MSNBC. An integration of violent behavior by both Whites and Blacks. I, a White male, am completely upset by the senseless murder of George Floyd. However, George Floyd himself would probably not have approved of the current mob behavior since he was opposed to violence and worked to bring people of different races and neighborhoods together according to what I heard about him. More than this, violence in the defense of justice is wrong because it not only leads to the destruction of personal property (stores and homes) but it breeds more violence and the death of innocent people. I am personally opposed to such behavior, whether at the individual level or the international level. It is not only impractical in effecting real and lasting change, but it is immoral.

 

[Canvas]

More than this, violence in the defense of justice is wrong because it not only leads to the destruction of personal property (stores and homes) but it breeds more violence and the death of innocent people. I am personally opposed to such behavior, whether at the individual level or the international level. It is not only impractical in effecting real and lasting change, but it is immoral.

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This. Not to mention, some of the rioting is putting more lives in danger — like the arsons. The cause of justice is not served by putting others in danger or by destroying property.

I say this as a person who is absolutely appalled by what happened in Minneapolis to George Floyd. Those police who were present at the scene should be criminally charged, in my opinion.

 

[RyanBlack]

Police kill more whites.

Of course. That’s because whites in America outnumber blacks by about 4 to 1.

 

[Balto1]

I was more upset over the insinuation that all white people are secretly harboring racist feelings than a fictional death.

Great example, getting more upset over fictional insinuations of racism than a fictional murder of black man by police.

However, George Floyd himself would probably not have approved of the current mob behavior since he was opposed to violence and worked to bring people of different races and neighborhoods together according to what I heard about him.

My suspicion is, given the choice, he’d be more upset over the brutal racist murder of a black man than some property damage.

More than this, violence in the defense of justice is wrong because it not only leads to the destruction of personal property (stores and homes) but it breeds more violence and the death of innocent people.

I think we could find some common ground here. Disarming the police would be a great start.

 

[meltzerboy2]

Do you really want to disarm the police? Do you mean like in the UK? Maybe periodic psychological testing is one way to minimize police brutality.

It doesn’t have to be an either-or choice. Violence by the public, the police, and by a mob seeking revenge should all be reduced as much as possible.

 

[Wampa]

Wow, this has been a day unlike any other in my city. We’ve had looting all over the metro area and tonight the police station has been overrun and is on fire. The police have mostly stood down and let everything happen, I presume because they know they’ll only make things worse if they intervene. I guess this is what it’s like when the thin veneer of civilization is stripped away.

‘MPD Third Precinct burns as protests continue following George Floyd’s death’ (live video feed in this article):

MPD Third Precinct burns as protests continue following George Floyd's death

While most protests have been peaceful, some factions have left vandalism, fires and looting in their wake.

www.kare11.com

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Protesting unjust violence is promoting a just society.

Not necessarily. Protesting unjust violence is protesting unjust violence.

The people setting fire to buildings, and looting target, are “protesting unjust violence” but in no reasonable way can they be said to be “promoting a just society.”

Likewise Kap has done absolutely nothing to actually promote (as in actually ADVANCE) a just society. He has further divided our country, while taking an enormous sum of money from Nike ($5 MILLION a year contract).

I am a white guy who thinks policing is absolutely out of control in this country. I am the guy who won’t stand in traffic ruining someone’s chances to get to work, but would be the one with the camera out while yelling at the police officer that he is on camera brutalizing this guy. I am the guy who goes to the city commissioner meetings and tells them the police are out of control and I am spending my donation money to find commissioners who will hold the police leadership accountable.

And I am the guy who detests Kaepernick because he disrespects the flag that represents the unity that we should all have on this issue.

Wanna protest for a change? Take a lesson from MLK and maybe your protest will ACTUALLY MAKE A BENEFICIAL CHANGE TO SOCIETY.

Wanna protest to make $5 MILLION a year while doing absolutely NOTHING to actually change the problems that you are protesting? Take a lesson from Kaepernick.

Endangering a multi-million dollar career for a charitable cause he believed in? There’s nothing selfish or self-aggrandizing about that.

He is making $5 MILLION a year from Nike. Sure there’s nothing selfish or self-aggrandizing about that?

 

[pnewton]

The police have mostly stood down and let everything happen,

Unfortunately, appeasement of evil seldom works. Those who will resort to violence face the axiom that those who live by the sword shall die by the sword. That is why they want police unarmed. The criminals and thugs can not be allowed to overturn civilized society.

The men have been fired, a criminal investigation launched and the mayor condemned this incident in the strongest terms. What more can be done? A lynching of the police? Burning the city down? Oh, I know, a free TV.