Another man dies in police custody after disturbing video

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Nothing seems to help anyone. Being polite just seems to give further license to bad cops.
 
You certainly don’t have to believe them, especially since you know they are only trying to justify their wrongdoings and incorrect beliefs.
 
Most people don’t know how to manage money. Look at excessive morgtages, credit card debt, mcMansions, student loan debt, lack of savings, etc.
 
Boatswain2PA said:
I am also a strong opponent of our justice system, but to compare it with China or NK is ridiculous
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We factually incarcerate the same percentage of people, more actually. We lead the world in locking up our people. So while we call them prison and half-way houses, we ship more than they do to lockdown facilities to re-educate them from being drug addicts.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/incarceration-rates-by-country/

We keep poor company in our method of executing justice.
 
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Nothing seems to help anyone. Being polite just seems to give further license to bad cops.
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So black kids getting dinner from a gas station or convenience store is going to help those communities?
 
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StudentMI said:
So black kids getting dinner from a gas station or convenience store is going to help those communities?
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To say nothing of community residents contracting COVID-19 because it spread all through a big crowd of protesters, a bunch of whom probably traveled in from outside the area, maybe even out of state, and from there spread to the protesters’ friends and famlies who weren’t even present.
 
Well, so long as no one is talking about a man killed by a cop while three other cops stood by, I guess something has been accomplished. The rioters have given white America and the police another free pass.
 
Legit protesters in Louisville protecting a police office from the violent agitators:

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How exactly is “no one talking about it” when the video is viral everywhere and is all over the news?
Everybody’s talking about it.
In addition, I don’t see anyone getting a “free pass” when the officers have already been fired, charges filed against the main perp etc.
Your comment makes zero sense. It sounds like it’s based in emotion rather than logic.
 
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niceatheist:
Surely advocacy groups can walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. I’ve worked with groups who I don’t agree with their entire mandate.
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I don’t think this is common on the left these days. Lots of purity tests and manifestos that touch on every issue under the sun.

And for context, I’m completely sympathetic to the cause of police reform. I’m arguing about tactics here.
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You…you don’t think the right administers purity tests? It happens here in World News daily. As for the article I shared, you haven’t identified any of the actions listed as somehow extraneous to the fight for racial justice.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
How exactly is “no one talking about it” when the video is viral everywhere and is all over the news?
Everybody’s talking about it.
In addition, I don’t see anyone getting a “free pass” when the officers have already been fired, charges filed against the main perp etc.
Your comment makes zero sense. It sounds like it’s based in emotion rather than logic.
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I think it’s clear that the officer who’s been charged likely won’t be convicted. That assumption is based both on the charge leveled against him and the numerous times when police officers have committed such acts and received no prison time. As for everyone talking about this instance, they are indeed. And then they’ll stop, little if anything will be done to permanently change things, and those who aren’t the subjects of racism will move on.
 
Yes, but the issues you’re talking about are essentially concerns about failure to change the system. Not that “nobody is talking about it” . I don’t see the officer as geting a free pass either (and trying to figure out how his criminal charges will go is mere speculation at this point), but there are people who will insist that if the outcome is anything short of executing him, he’s getting a free pass.
 
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We lead the world in locking up our people.
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Do Americans lead the world in looting also? I don’t see this type of looting and robbery by so many Americans going on in other countries such as Switzerland or Croatia.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1266619204754530304

https://twitter.com/x/status/1266613354472157190

Where is the respect of Americans for private property? Instead of sending its troops all over the world to intervene in other countries, why doesn’t America solve its own problems and do something to prevent the rioting and mayhem which is occurring in its own country.
 
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Yes, but the issues you’re talking about are essentially concerns about failure to change the system. Not that “nobody is talking about it” . I don’t see the officer as geting a free pass either (and trying to figure out how his criminal charges will go is mere speculation at this point), but there are people who will insist that if the outcome is anything short of executing him, he’s getting a free pass.
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Is talking about it for a week or two with no meaningful change taking place as a result even a positive? All it does is make non-POC feel better, as though their temporary outrage is enough.

Forgive me for being blunt, but thinking it’s likely that Chauvin will serve time is naive when you look at statistical data and previous similar cases. And then there’s the issue of SCOTUS. From a NY Times opinion piece published yesterday by the editorial board that’s behind a pay wall:
Police officers don’t face justice more often for a variety of reasons — from powerful police unions to the blue wall of silence to cowardly prosecutors to reluctant juries. But it is the Supreme Court that has enabled a culture of violence and abuse by eviscerating a vital civil rights law to provide police officers what, in practice, is nearly limitless immunity from prosecution for actions taken while on the job. The badge has become a get-out-of-jail-free card in far too many instances.

In 1967, the same year the police chief of Miami coined the phrase “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” to threaten civil rights demonstrators, the Supreme Court first articulated a notion of “qualified immunity.” In the case of police violence against a group of civil rights demonstrators in Mississippi, the court decided that police officers should not face legal liability for enforcing the law “in good faith and with probable cause.”
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That’s a high standard to meet. But what makes these cases nearly impossible for plaintiffs to win is the court’s requirement that any violation of rights be “clearly established” — that is, another court must have previously encountered a case with the same context and facts, and found there that the officer was not immune. This is a judge-made rule; the civil rights law itself says nothing about a “clearly established” requirement. Yet in practice it has meant that police officers prevail virtually every time, because it’s very hard to find cases that are the same in all respects. It also creates a Catch-22 for plaintiffs, who are required to hunt down precedents in courts that have stopped generating those precedents, because the plaintiffs always lose. As one conservative judge put it in a U.S. district court in Texas, “Heads defendants win, tails plaintiffs lose.”

In the five decades since the doctrine’s invention, qualified immunity has expanded in practice to excuse all manner of police misconduct, from assault to homicide. As the legal bar for victims to challenge police misconduct has been raised higher and higher by the Supreme Court, the lower courts have followed. A major investigation by Reuters earlier this year found that “since 2005, the courts have shown an increasing tendency to grant immunity in excessive force cases — rulings that the district courts below them must follow. The trend has accelerated in recent years.” What was intended to prevent frivolous lawsuits against agents of the government, the investigation concluded, “has become a highly effective shield in thousands of lawsuits seeking to hold cops accountable when they are accused of using excessive force.”
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“This is chaos. A protest has purpose. When Dr. King was assassinated, we didn’t do this to our city,” she said, adding, “If you care about this city, then go home.”

Bottoms concluded by telling the violent protesters that they were not only a disgrace to the city of Atlanta but that they were also “disgracing the life of George Floyd and every other person who has been killed in this country.”

“When you burn down this city, you’re burning down our community. If you want change in America, go and register to vote,” she said.
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Boatswain2PA said:
Well, he was on the wrong side of every politically charged interaction between police and african-Americans that I remember.
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Obama criticized the unnecessary killing of unarmed black men/boys. That monster! :roll_eyes:
 
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Rubee said:
bama criticized the unnecessary killing of unarmed black men/boys. That monster
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Why dont you refee to the two examples I gave instead if banal hyperbole.

Nobody is calling Obama a monster.
 
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