Another man dies in police custody after disturbing video

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Balto1 said:
http://www.usccb.org/news/2020/20-83.cfm
While it is expected that we will plead for peaceful non-violent protests, and we certainly do, we also stand in passionate support of communities that are understandably outraged. Too many communities around this country feel their voices are not being heard, their complaints about racist treatment are unheeded, and we are not doing enough to point out that this deadly treatment is antithetical to the Gospel of Life.
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Thank you for this. My church always has her empathic, charitable compass settings correct 💗 even when the sheep do as they please. No one can say that violence is the correct response, but people who have been following the issue of black unarmed men/boys getting killed in the age of phone cameras will fully understand the outrage. It’s a dam that’s finally broken and what you see are chaos, but it did not come out of nowhere. The church knows not to just come out wagging pointy fingers but to show she fully understands HOW and WHY even as she calls for calm; because she knows having to live in terror of being “the next one” without any sign of it changing does something to people.
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AlNg said:
Where is the respect of Americans for private property?
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They respect it, they just don’t like having theirs stolen. Wage theft tops like $40 billion a year, more than all other kinds of theft combined. That’s why protesters do things like chant “Expropriation!” while emptying out stores, they’re redistributing a small amount of the wealth that was stolen from them.
StudentMI said:
Methinks this long ago ceased to be about George Floyd.
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If it was only about Floyd it never would have happened in the first place. It’s a combination of the thousands of murders by police, the unimagineable suffering caused by the justice system, and capitalism’s devastation of people’s material conditions. Like 25% of the country has been told screw you, we aren’t going to do anything to help you and we’ll use state violence against you indiscriminately for the privilege. These protests were inevitable, whether Floyd was killed or not.
 
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Posted in another thread but belongs here too, complete savages.
 
Great points about qualified immunity, something EVERYONE needs to get smart on and pressure their legislators to correct.

Few corrections though - I dont believe qualified immunity applies to criminal system but rather the civil system. This prevents lawsuits against bad cops. We need to give some level of protection against civil suits to our law enforcement officers, but the xurrent standard of qualified immunity (which you correctly describes) is ridiculously high.

2nd - it really doesnt have anything ro do with “civil rights” (as is commonly used to describe racial rights) as it protects police who police everyone - rich and poor, black and white, and everyone inbetween.

Like the guy in Colorado who watched a police SWAT vehicle go through his front wall of his multi-million dollar house as they chased a petty thief. Then the city didnt pay for repairs/rebuilding because…you guessed it…qualified immunity.

Only thing worse in todays police state is the civil forfeiture laws that allow police to steal your stuff without ever even having to show probable cause.
 
Balto1 said:
Too many communities around this country feel their voices are not being heard, their complaints about racist treatment are unheeded, and we are not doing enough to point out that this deadly treatment is antithetical to the Gospel of Life.
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I like this, in particular, because that’s exactly the dissonance one experiences when one catches devout Catholics among those doing everything to justify any shooting of an unarmed Black person at the hands of a White policeman. The question is: So that whole prolife thing . . . y’all don’t really mean it, right?
 
pnewton said:
We factually incarcerate the same percentage of people, more actually
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We generally lock up people who have broken our relatively just laws. Obviously some ARE innocent, and not all laws are just, but the vast majority are.

We havent locked up a class of people simply because they belonged to that class in 75 years.
 
Want to not go to prison during a war on drugs? Dont do drugs.

Kinda hard for a Uighur to stop being a Uigher during China’s war on Uighers.
 
niceatheist said:
Yes, he was arrested. The three other cops, who stood by and allowed a man to be killed, are still free.
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pnewton:
They may not have committed a crime. They were fired for dereliction of their duty. In the United States, people have to commit a crime to be arrested. There were others standing by filming that had no duty to intervene as well.
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The by-standers, unlike the three, did intervene, in the manner safest for them. As they filmed, they pleaded for his life, well aware that if they went beyond pleas, they would be shot because . . .well, the police were ‘scared.’ 🙃
 
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Boatswain2PA said:
Only thing worse in todays police state is the civil forfeiture laws that allow police to steal your stuff without ever even having to show probable cause.
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I am sorry to hear that America has a police state and that in America police are allowed to steal your property. These are things that Americans should work to solve instead of flying their bombers close to the borders of Russia and instead of spending all that money to intervene in other countries to promote regime change. Many countries such as Switzerland, Germany, Japan, Norway, are doing very well without having to send troops elsewhere or to spend enormous amounts of money on wars that never seem to end.
 
It’s worth noting that Rhodesia never officially barred black people from representation in their government. They just made representation dependant on property ownership and wealth, which just so happened to exclude basically all of the black population. Similar tactics were employed to stop black people from voting during the Jim Crow period in the USA.
 
Charges can be changed with developments gathering evidence. It is always better to charge up ( my opinion) in the long run.( as opposed to reducing charges, which looks weak and motives can be speculated).
 
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Do you think protesters are concerned about race relations?
I think in protests like this you have many opportunists with different agendas, but at the core, these things happen when people feel those charged with protecting them are the problem.
Fear! Drives the protest. Along with anger and frustration.
So " race relations" is not on the radar. People went to the streets because race relations hasn’t changed involuntary fear when something as simple as a cop car appears to be following. People get tired of living like that.
Think about it! Race relations addresses your concerns, not their issue.
 
Trump said wearing a mask was," politically correct."
The more I think about it, HE SAID IT. I didn’t imagine it with jaundiced eye. If my terrible indecency is recalling what Trump says and repeating it, I can live with that. Any attempt to discredit is a recognition that what I repeated and published was not benign. DEFINITELY NOT INSPIRING.
 
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gracepoole said:
You…you don’t think the right administers purity tests? It happens here in World News daily. As for the article I shared, you haven’t identified any of the actions listed as somehow extraneous to the fight for racial justice.
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CAF is probably a bad example, but I genuinely think the right does it less in general. (For context, although I’d consider myself temperamentally conservative, I loathe trump and have very little good to say about the GOP). That said, look at an issue like abortion. Conservatives tend to be very willing to work with pro-life Democrats…at least, while they still existed, because being pro-choice is now considered an inseparable part of being on the left. You can be firmly aligned with DNC on 99 other issues…if you’re pro-life, you’re shown the door.

As to the list, it’s not all bad. There are good concrete suggestions in there. But sprinkled in there are suggestions that people support some organizations that agitate on a whole host of extraneous issues (BLM) or are of, let’s say, dubious integrity (SPLC). Not to mention silly Twitterverse stuff about “decolonizing the bookshelf.”
 
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gracepoole:
You…you don’t think the right administers purity tests? It happens here in World News daily. As for the article I shared, you haven’t identified any of the actions listed as somehow extraneous to the fight for racial justice.
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CAF is probably a bad example, but I genuinely think the right does it less in general. (For context, although I’d consider myself temperamentally conservative, I loathe trump and have very little good to say about the GOP). That said, look at an issue like abortion. Conservatives tend to be very willing to work with pro-life Democrats…at least, while they still existed, because being pro-choice is now considered an inseparable part of being on the left. You can be firmly aligned with DNC on 99 other issues…if you’re pro-life, you’re shown the door.
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I don’t disagree with this example but clearly we have very different experiences.
RolandThompsonGunner said:
As to the list, it’s not all bad. There are good concrete suggestions in there. But sprinkled in there are suggestions that people support some organizations that agitate on a whole host of extraneous issues (BLM) or are of, let’s say, dubious integrity (SPLC). Not to mention silly Twitterverse stuff about “decolonizing the bookshelf.”
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Then focus on those steps with which you agree. There are many to choose from.
 
Hello, what “class” were you referring to in saying we havent locked up people for being in “that class” for 75 years? I wasnt sure from context.

75 years ago was 1945, well before black people stopped being arrested for things like sitting at whites only counters, not sitting in the back of the bus, etc.

While I agree that the rights intended to protect us from police have been eviscerated, I disagree that it has nothing to do with race. I think instead it has happened because it was happening mostly to black people so white people didnt notice or care. Now a few white people are belatedly becoming aware that they can be killed by police too and suddenly they think they are blowing minds and waking up sheeple when they tell people about it.
 
If the US didnt keep Russia and other totalitarian/dictator/communist nations at bat then much of the world would suddenly have to worry about them. Thanks to US, they dont much.
 
Yes, we are all aware the Democrat led Jim Crow era, and the Republican led civil rights movement highlighted by MLKs peaceful protests.
 
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