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AlbertDerGrosse
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I think there’s been some back and forth equivocation between us all, then. I thought you meant suicide in general. Carry on.
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Pup7
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Thought I was the only one.
I do like tall and grey. LOL.He had that little bit of a bad boy vibe - a bit rough around the edges, but you’re pretty sure he’d love your mom and treat her like a queen.
And he could go in the backyard and have a beer with your dad and everyone would love him. LOL.
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AlbertDerGrosse
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Because you seemed to imply that biological systems interact with one another without chemistry, not unlike the naturopathic/new-agey folks out there who make a distinction between “chemicals” and “natural stuff”. If my inference is incorrect, I apologize, but now I’m left scratching my head trying to make sense of: “That’s not chemistry so much as biological interaction.”
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Jump4Joy
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Lol. There was a lot to admire.
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DeniseNY
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A lot of posts in this thread are why people are still ashamed to talk about mental health issues and seek help. It’s shameful, uncharitable, and distinctly not Catholic.
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Cruciferi
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I Agree 100%
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Pup7
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Totally out of likes or you’d get one. That’s a fair call. I agree with your list in general, actually.
Given what I do I’ll also own that I tend to think of suicide in a clinical sense anyway, and inadvertently overlook that that isn’t the total meaning or connotation of the term. It’s not intentional in any way.
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michaelArc
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Stunned and saddened. He has done so much for food. I always appreciated his candidness, respect for culture and open mind. Kitchen Confidential is an amazing read and a classic that everyone in the food industry should read. His quote on vegans and vegetarians is one of the best in history.
May God have mercy on his soul.
May God have mercy on his soul.
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Pup7
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Understatement of the century. Agreed.
He was so blue collar, too, to be what he had made of himself. He looked at ease with everyone.
I guess he was at ease with everyone but himself. May he rest in peace.
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exnihilo
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So biological interactions just like I said. I don’t get the issue you are raising?
I didn’t imply that. I said that is chemicals interacting with a biological.
The distinction I was drawing was between chemistry apart from how chemicals interact with life.
No. It’s completely circular. You assume the conclusion.
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Pup7
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It’s not assumption. It’s fact, ex.
That is chemistry by definition. Biochemistry.
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exnihilo
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Apart from being God no one could know that.
OK. So just like I said, biological interaction.
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Pup7
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So apart from being God we have no clue whether any medicine or any research is accurate, then. Okay.
Which is chemistry in action. It’s killing you, but it’s still chemistry.
Everything is chemistry. You can’t have anything in this life without it.
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AlbertDerGrosse
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This is getting silly.
^^^ That right there is what started this entire tangent. All biological interaction is chemistry. The example Pup gave about the mechanism of action of certain drugs is straight up chemistry. It might be highly specialized chemistry, but it’s chemistry nonetheless.
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exnihilo
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Not at all. We just can’t know people’s mental state. So anything related to mental states is a very imperfect knowledge.
When chemicals interact with biologicals that is a separate issue from when they interact with non biologicals.
Not everything is chemistry. Everything material is chemistry. The immaterial, such as souls and mental states, are not chemical. Of course mental states can be influenced by chemicals in as much as the brain is influenced.
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exnihilo
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Biological chemistry. Not all chemistry is biological.
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Cruciferi
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Spiritual Chemistry?
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Limoncello4021
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There’s some sentiment that all suicides stem from “mental illness,” but “mental illness” in itself means little because it is not carefully defined. Suicide can be the result of many things. From what I’ve seen it is very often the result of someone with no spiritual outlook, no hope of an afterlife, and failing (as is inevitable) to find happiness in the things of this world–relationships, money, fame, etc. The wealthy and powerful who find themselves unhappy (inevitably) are probably at most risk of this kind of despair.
Loneliness in this life is rampant. I can’t imagine what I would do, or think, or be, if I didn’t firmly believe that good things will come in the next life, not necessarily here.
John Paul II said we were in a “culture of death,” and it has really accelerated. Suicide in my state is up something like 40% over the last ten years. I’m on a forum for potential retirees and I’ve been truly shocked to read that many of them plan to kill themselves rather than suffer through old age or land in a nursing home.
Loneliness in this life is rampant. I can’t imagine what I would do, or think, or be, if I didn’t firmly believe that good things will come in the next life, not necessarily here.
John Paul II said we were in a “culture of death,” and it has really accelerated. Suicide in my state is up something like 40% over the last ten years. I’m on a forum for potential retirees and I’ve been truly shocked to read that many of them plan to kill themselves rather than suffer through old age or land in a nursing home.
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kill051
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Agreed. Whatever happened to ‘judge not, lest ye be judged’? And to say you don’t want to think good of him just skirts a terrible uncharity. Please, please rethink your position carefully.SacredHeartBassist:
This is EXTREMELY, offensive and insensitive to people with a mental illness. In fact, this attitude is what perpetuates the stigma of mental illness.
You should be ashamed of yourself for such thinking.
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DeniseNY
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Maybe by June 22nd he’ll see the error in his way of thinking
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