Anthony Bourdain Dead at 61 in Apparent Suicide

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Cruciferi said:
People should still behave themselves. Sometimes it’s better not to post and come back later.
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Well, sometimes someone who’s hurting also isn’t thinking rationally. And that’s fair. Just part of the human condition.
 
philipl said:
You have a mental health issue, go get help stop wearing on your sleeve grow up and take responsibility for yourself.
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You have just proven that you know absolutely zero about depression. You should be thanking God for that, instead of blasting people who are seriously ill.
 
philipl said:
so that is proof? Bourdain had access to all the mental help he wanted. TV is awash with people talking about their mental health problems. This board is full of people going on and on about their depression and mental issues. What isnt happening is that those with mental health issues are not being coddled. You have a mental health issue, go get help stop wearing on your sleeve grow up and take responsibility for yourself.
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You’re not entirely wrong but you are not entirely right. How does a man in deep pit pull himself up? Pray now that you are never given the opportunity to find out.
lilypadrees said:
Again, you have no reason to be angry at Anthony, at Kate Spade, at anyone who chooses to end their life in such a manner. You aren’t their family, their friends, anyone close to them. The people in the deceased’s life are the ones who have the right to these feelings.
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I don’t entirely agree. The Church used to bury suicides apart from everyone else for a reason. Suicide was viewed as a rejection of everything including life itself. In a sense we who live have all been rejected by this act. Chesterton writes about this in Orthodoxy. But I agree one shouldn’t be excessively angry about this.
 
exnihilo said:
I don’t entirely agree. The Church used to bury suicides apart from everyone else for a reason.
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And that was completely wrong and was always wrong in my opinion, which I believe is why that it’s not viewed that way anymore: it was wrong to start with, and it’s been made right. You don’t kill yourself when you’re of sound mind unless you’re a suicide bomber (and I still think that takes a level of mental illness and brainwashing). You’re mentally ill.

You wouldn’t bury a paranoid schizophrenic or an alcoholic separate from anyone else.
 
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Dear Father in Heaven, please forgive the sins of our brother Anthony Bourdain, and take him to your bosom, there to rest in the warmth of your love and care forever. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.
 
Pup7 said:
You wouldn’t bury a paranoid schizophrenic […] separate from anyone else.
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Exactly! Most people with paranoid schizophrenia were probably exorcized before we knew the condition existed. That doesn’t mean it was ever OK to do so or that the practice ought to be reintroduced. The Church works with the basic assumptions the rest of society has. As those assumptions are perfected with better knowledge the Church can modify her praxis such that the underlying moral truths are not altered, only the subjective culpability ascribed to the actors are.
 
Yes, I know what the Church used to do regarding the burial of those who committed suicide. But was the Church angry at each individual like SHB is at Anthony Bourdain for committing suicide? There’s the rub.
 
Yes Philip l it is most certainly stigmatized whether you choose to accept it or not and is besides the point
 
lilypadrees said:
Yes, I know what the Church used to do regarding the burial of those who committed suicide.
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It was seen as a cultural scourge in general and not something anyone talked about. Generally people “died suddenly” and what actually went on was never discussed.

I don’t believe it was just Catholics who believed it sent you to hell, either.
 
Pup7 said:
You don’t kill yourself when you’re of sound mind unless you’re a suicide bomber (and I still think that takes a level of mental illness and brainwashing). You’re mentally ill.
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Here the idea of mental illness replaces morality. Why wouldn’t a person of sound mind kill himself? I don’t think it is right to assume only mentally ill people kill themselves. I think spiritual illness can be an issue. The Roman’s and Japanese had the idea of suicide to escape shame.
 
So unless you have ran a business you have no business commention on other business failures. Unless you have raised kids you have no busness telling others how to raise kids. Unless you have been married 30 years you have no business telling other how to stay married.
 
exnihilo said:
Here the idea of mental illness replaces morality. Why wouldn’t a person of sound mind kill himself? I don’t think it is right to assume only mentally ill people kill themselves. I think spiritual illness can be an issue. The Roman’s and Japanese had the idea of suicide to escape shame.
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It’s not an assumption. It’s backed by research. Sound people don’t just take a gun and hold it to their head and pull the trigger knowing there’s a round in the chamber or deliberately put a scarf around their neck “just to see what might happen”.

That was a cultural thing. Modern (meaning not ancient) Western civilization has never had that culture.
 
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Pup7 said:
It’s not an assumption. It’s backed by research.
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How could it be? Dead people can’t tell us why they kill themselves. Even if they leave a note it’s not like we can objectively ever know someone’s mental or spiritual state.
Pup7 said:
Sound people don’t just take a gun and hold it to their head and pull the trigger knowing there’s a round in the chamber or deliberately put a scarf around their neck “just to see what might happen”.
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This is actually circular reasoning. You assume one would have to be insane to does this. Why? Because only insane people kill themselves.
 
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In short, you’re both right. It’s a both/and. It’s possible for someone to commit suicide with full culpability and thus as a mortal sin. It’s also possible for someone to commit suicide with mitigating circumstances. In any event, let us pray to work to avert and pray for all concerned affected by suicide.
 
And you are an expert? Please post you educational credentials if so
 
exnihilo said:
How could it be? Dead people can’t tell us why they kill themselves. Even if they leave a note it’s not like we can objectively ever know someone’s mental or spiritual state.
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It’s simple, really.
  • Case studies of people who attempt but don’t succeed
  • Post-suicide examinations (forensic examinations) of medical records, suicide notes, interviews with family.
It’s from research, and it’s been garnered over many years.
 
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