Anti-Catholicism

[Leslie_Polley]

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James 5:14-15 Presbyters of the Church (which means Priest remember) pray over him, he will be forgiven. Prayer of presbyters forgives sins.

Leslie, forgive me, but you claim that you were Catholic? You did not learn any of this scripture?

Are you saying that you deny the power of the HS that is given to priest’s to forgive sin? Are you saying that the Apostles never had authority to forgive sins. What really are you saying?

Number one, it was no “CLAIM” I was a Catholic. I probably gave you my background, and you did not bother to read it. Yes Jesus gave the aposles the power to forgive sin because everything He did was given to them. It was also given to us. To Heal the sick, to do miracles, to speak inn tongues, prophecy, etc. Read Romans 12:1-21. My point is, you do NOT have to go to a priest to have your sins forgiven…you can go straight to God through Jesus. I had 15 years of STUDY STUDY STUDY while I was in Our Lady of Peace Academy, Marymount High Scool and Marymount College. I took special classes because I wanted to be a nun, so I rather think my “CLAIM” is valid. Have you ever been protestent or (Penicostal), to be exact. It was not until I became Penicostal that I really learned FROM the Bible. It was not a quick 15 minute rendering. I used to talk to my Best Friend Father Ignatious, a Jesuit, until he passed away. He did not curse, smoke or drinklet alone get drunk as just about every priest I know has done. NOW I did not say every or all, but I did say most. I am sorry that is not a Godly examlpe to me. Yes there have been ministers that have seriously messed up to, and to be real honest I think that is satans plan to make the church (ALL) look like perverts to the world, by filling the pulpits with pedifiles and adulterers. It hits both sides. Do I remember everything, no. I forget where I put my keys, however the Bible is never far and I consult that always. By the way, in the Penticostal Church, we to have Presbyters as well that over see a group of churches.

 

[rinnie]

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Hi…[SIGN]I was raised Catholic from the time I was born[/SIGN] until I went to college and I left. I for one do not hate the Church at all. I disagree with many of its doctrins. I went to private Catholic shcools all my life including college. It was there that for the third time statements on faith changed. I know only one thing. Gods word does not change. “It is the same yesterday, today and always.” There is one way to the Father and that is through Jesus Christ…Romans 10:9-12 Pick a bible. It was through the spilling of His blood that we were saved or given another chance to enter Heaven. The theif was non denominational, not baptised and because of His faith in Christ he went to heaven with the Lord. I am not saying you should not be baptized, however Christ was 30, He is our example…it was His choice, as it ours when we reach the age of reason. No one made the choice for Him. I was rebaptized at 31. My choice. I know when we stand before the white throne judgment we will not be asked what church you attended, only are you born again washed in the blood of Jesus… Not literaly of course, but have you asked Him to be Lord of your life. There is nothing above Him, no church or man. You cannot find anywhere in scripture that proclaims Catholisizim. Read the word of God, follow that and no one will mislead you. God bless…If you come across " and upon this rock I will build my church…It was talking about Christ, not Peter. They refer to Christ is 5 other parts of the bible at least as being the rock, or the cornerstone that was rejected. keep inn touch

Thats kinda where I got the idea! Between that and you saying you went to private Catholic Schools, that kinda done it for me,

 

[rinnie]

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Number one, it was no “CLAIM” I was a Catholic. I probably gave you my background, and you did not bother to read it. Yes Jesus gave the aposles the power to forgive sin because everything He did was given to them. It [SIGN]was also given to us. [/SIGN] To Heal the sick, to do miracles, to speak inn tongues, prophecy, etc. Read Romans 12:1-21. My point is, you do NOT have to go to a priest to have your sins forgiven…you can go straight to God through Jesus. I had 15 years of STUDY STUDY STUDY while I was in Our Lady of Peace Academy, Marymount High Scool and Marymount College. I took special classes because I wanted to be a nun, so I rather think my “CLAIM” is valid. Have you ever been protestent or (Penicostal), to be exact. It was not until I became Penicostal that I really learned FROM the Bible. It was not a quick 15 minute rendering. I used to talk to my Best Friend Father Ignatious, a Jesuit, until he passed away. He did not curse, smoke or drinklet alone get drunk as just about every priest I know has done. NOW I did not say every or all, but I did say most. I am sorry that is not a Godly examlpe to me. Yes there have been ministers that have seriously messed up to, and to be real honest I think that is satans plan to make the church (ALL) look like perverts to the world, by filling the pulpits with pedifiles and adulterers. It hits both sides. Do I remember everything, no. I forget where I put my keys, however the Bible is never far and I consult that always. By the way, in the Penticostal Church, we to have Presbyters as well that over see a group of churches.

Where, where did Jesus say you have the Power of the Holy SPirit to forgive anothers sins. Where does it say in the bible that what we forgive on earth for another is forgiven and we can hold their sin bound on earth. Please show me.

And I showed you the scripture that said if you are in sin you must get reconciled back with the Church. How can you do that for yourself?

 

[Javl]

My goodness,it’s self explanitory…Forgive us our trespasses AS WE FORGIVE those who trespass against us. If we do not forgive He does not forgive.God does not sin so why in the world would anyone even think"forgive Gods sin". This is getting crazy. God spoke simply. There is nothing difficult in the Our Father! AS WE FORGIVE OUR TRESPASSERS. In other words we must forgive in order to be forgiven!!! It I did something that ofended you you must forgive me. If you have done something that ofended me, I must forgive you. It does not mean we would be best friends necessarily, but we MUST forgive.

I am sorry, I misunderstood you. Yes we must forgive first, and love those who have sinned against us, before we can expect to be forgiven.

Leslie, forgive me, but I am not deriding or ridiculing you. You say you studied, studied, studied. I don’t know what you have studied, but, from your posts, I can see
that you really do not know anything about the Catholic Church. For if you knew and
understood, you would still be Catholic. I know that only those who claim to disagree
with the Church’s teachings, doctrines, etc. really do not know anything about the
Church. Please, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and understand. Read
all the footnotes and references and pray to the Holy Spirit for help. He has done
wonders for me. I am sure that then you will truly learn. Please keep in mind that
none are so blind as those that refuse to see, and none are so deaf as those who
refuse to hear. God Bless.

Len

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[rinnie]

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I am sorry, I misunderstood you. Yes we must forgive first, and love those who have sinned against us, before we can expect to be forgiven.

Leslie, forgive me, but I am not deriding or ridiculing you. [SIGN]You say you studied, studied, studied. I don’t know what you have studied, but, from your posts, I can see
that you really do not know anything about the Catholic Church. [/SIGN]For if you knew and
understood, you would still be Catholic. I know that only those who claim to disagree
with the Church’s teachings, doctrines, etc. really do not know anything about the
Church. Please, read the Catechism of the Catholic Church and understand. Read
all the footnotes and references and pray to the Holy Spirit for help. He has done
wonders for me. I am sure that then you will truly learn. Please keep in mind that
none are so blind as those that refuse to see, and none are so deaf as those who
refuse to hear. God Bless.

Len

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

I see the same thing. I mean she did not even know the scripture for Jesus giving Peter and the APostles the power to forgive sin. I mean if you want to blame the school okay. But Granted I never went to a Catholic College but I learned this in a Catholic school.

ANd I have never seen my Priests drunk in 12 years of CC. TO this day I never have.

 

[marymyothermom]

I grew up in one of those non-denominational christian, and a general distain for any real type of a structured church. I had problems though with churches disbanding, because of lack of structure, and found a home in the Wesleyan Church. Which i found to be very legalistic. My dad says he’s catholic in a lot of ways (i’m guessing in the “universal” sense, but I was raised with this anti-Catholic viewpoint & coincedentally anit-Baptist. I met my husband (cradle Catholic) while I was extremely active in the wesleyan church youth group. We argued-a lot. I told him to read his Bible, because you know Catholics don’t EVER read the Bible. (sarchastic) After we started dating, I went to church with him sometimes, and started to get it. I had my qualms. Transubstantiation, perpetual virginity, papal authority, Mary Mary Mary! One by one, my things against Catholicism fell. It’s funny, transubstatiation was easy to reconcile. Papal authority- ok, it’s been this way for a long time, i can deal with that. But, Mary! What made her so great?! Pray to Mary? not me!! But then, i had a dream…i was in a small Catholic prayer chapel. A statue of Mary with her arms welcoming, prayer candles burning. I said “what makes you so great?” Mother Angelica walks in. She puts her arm around me and says, “Honey, if she was good enough to be Jesus’ mother, isn’t she good enough to be yours?” She gave me a good squeeze and i woke up. Tears rolled down my cheeks, “And I was like God? Really? You want me to be Catholic???” “oh, ****!” <–that was a four letter word, but started with a cr and ended with a p. It took me a year to get up the courage to go to RCIA. I went through this with only a couple people knowing. I became a part of “the family of God” even though I knew I was a Christian- i knew I was missing something. [SIGN]The amazing power of the Holy Eucharist![/SIGN] Most people still don’t know I’m catholic- especially my dad. I want to shout it from the rooftops, but I don’t want him to be dissapointed in me. It’s kinda depressing. Anyway- I love being Catholic, and I would never deny the Eucharist. It’s kind of a need to know basis. But, yeah…interdenominational quarrels are stupid because they don’t get the Body of Christ anywhere.

 

[marymyothermom]

i love this smiley!!!

 

[Ultima_Ratio]

I grew up in one of those non-denominational christian, and a general distain for any real type of a structured church. I had problems though with churches disbanding, because of lack of structure, and found a home in the Wesleyan Church. Which i found to be very legalistic. My dad says he’s catholic in a lot of ways (i’m guessing in the “universal” sense, but I was raised with this anti-Catholic viewpoint & coincedentally anit-Baptist. I met my husband (cradle Catholic) while I was extremely active in the wesleyan church youth group. We argued-a lot. I told him to read his Bible, because you know Catholics don’t EVER read the Bible. (sarchastic) After we started dating, I went to church with him sometimes, and started to get it. I had my qualms. Transubstantiation, perpetual virginity, papal authority, Mary Mary Mary! One by one, my things against Catholicism fell. It’s funny, transubstatiation was easy to reconcile. Papal authority- ok, it’s been this way for a long time, i can deal with that. But, Mary! What made her so great?! Pray to Mary? not me!! But then, i had a dream…i was in a small Catholic prayer chapel. A statue of Mary with her arms welcoming, prayer candles burning. I said “what makes you so great?” Mother Angelica walks in. She puts her arm around me and says, “Honey, if she was good enough to be Jesus’ mother, isn’t she good enough to be yours?” She gave me a good squeeze and i woke up. Tears rolled down my cheeks, “And I was like God? Really? You want me to be Catholic???” “oh, ****!” <–that was a four letter word, but started with a cr and ended with a p. It took me a year to get up the courage to go to RCIA. I went through this with only a couple people knowing. I became a part of “the family of God” even though I knew I was a Christian- i knew I was missing something. [SIGN]The amazing power of the Holy Eucharist![/SIGN] Most people still don’t know I’m catholic- especially my dad. I want to shout it from the rooftops, but I don’t want him to be dissapointed in me. It’s kinda depressing. Anyway- I love being Catholic, and I would never deny the Eucharist. It’s kind of a need to know basis. But, yeah…interdenominational quarrels are stupid because they don’t get the Body of Christ anywhere.

Thanks for the story. I enjoyed reading it.

 

[Lutheranteach]

I am literally surrounded by Catholics on a 24/7 basis, so I never see anti-Catholicism. I do see a lot of it going the other direction. The anti-Catholicism I hear of from time to time is most like the kid who continually puts a finger in the chest of smaller boy on the play ground and gets punched in the nose. And yes, of course it’s a two way street. Here are some clues for the more hard headed:

A) Protestants and Catholics feel the same way when one tells them their deeply felt religious beliefs are wrong, in error, will not save them, are heretical, are inferior, etc. When you say those things there will be a reaction. If you call someone’s sister a wh–e don’t act shocked and say your feelings are hurt when you get punched in the mouth –even if you are sure what you said is true.

B) The truth is not as simple a concept as we may like. Have six people watch any event and you get six stories. None of them are lying and in fact all of them may be right. And, none of them may have had the angle to give us the whole story. I’m not so sure matters of faith are not similar.

C) We tend to go off on what we think we know instead of taking the time to really find out about one another.

 

[Javl]

I grew up in one of those non-denominational christian, and a general distain for any real type of a structured church. I had problems though with churches disbanding, because of lack of structure, and found a home in the Wesleyan Church. Which i found to be very legalistic. My dad says he’s catholic in a lot of ways (i’m guessing in the “universal” sense, but I was raised with this anti-Catholic viewpoint & coincedentally anit-Baptist. I met my husband (cradle Catholic) while I was extremely active in the wesleyan church youth group. We argued-a lot. I told him to read his Bible, because you know Catholics don’t EVER read the Bible. (sarchastic) After we started dating, I went to church with him sometimes, and started to get it. I had my qualms. Transubstantiation, perpetual virginity, papal authority, Mary Mary Mary! One by one, my things against Catholicism fell. It’s funny, transubstatiation was easy to reconcile. Papal authority- ok, it’s been this way for a long time, i can deal with that. But, Mary! What made her so great?! Pray to Mary? not me!! But then, i had a dream…i was in a small Catholic prayer chapel. A statue of Mary with her arms welcoming, prayer candles burning. I said “what makes you so great?” Mother Angelica walks in. She puts her arm around me and says, “Honey, if she was good enough to be Jesus’ mother, isn’t she good enough to be yours?” She gave me a good squeeze and i woke up. Tears rolled down my cheeks, “And I was like God? Really? You want me to be Catholic???” “oh, ****!” <–that was a four letter word, but started with a cr and ended with a p. It took me a year to get up the courage to go to RCIA. I went through this with only a couple people knowing. I became a part of “the family of God” even though I knew I was a Christian- i knew I was missing something. [SIGN]The amazing power of the Holy Eucharist![/SIGN] Most people still don’t know I’m catholic- especially my dad. I want to shout it from the rooftops, but I don’t want him to be dissapointed in me. It’s kinda depressing. Anyway- I love being Catholic, and I would never deny the Eucharist. It’s kind of a need to know basis. But, yeah…interdenominational quarrels are stupid because they don’t get the Body of Christ anywhere.

Praise the Lord. I happy you came home. That was the workings of the Holy Spirit. All you had to do is listen. Also, I shout it out that I am a Catholic and let the
comments drop where they may. I know that I worship God in spirit and in HIS truth.
God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[rinnie]

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I grew up in one of those non-denominational christian, and a general distain for any real type of a structured church. I had problems though with churches disbanding, because of lack of structure, and found a home in the Wesleyan Church. Which i found to be very legalistic. My dad says he’s catholic in a lot of ways (i’m guessing in the “universal” sense, but I was raised with this anti-Catholic viewpoint & coincedentally anit-Baptist. I met my husband (cradle Catholic) while I was extremely active in the wesleyan church youth group. We argued-a lot. I told him to read his Bible, because you know Catholics don’t EVER read the Bible. (sarchastic) After we started dating, I went to church with him sometimes, and started to get it. I had my qualms. Transubstantiation, perpetual virginity, papal authority, Mary Mary Mary! One by one, my things against Catholicism fell. It’s funny, transubstatiation was easy to reconcile. Papal authority- ok, it’s been this way for a long time, i can deal with that. But, Mary! What made her so great?! Pray to Mary? not me!! But then, i had a dream…i was in a small Catholic prayer chapel. A statue of Mary with her arms welcoming, prayer candles burning. I said “what makes you so great?” Mother Angelica walks in. She puts her arm around me and says, “Honey, if she was good enough to be Jesus’ mother, isn’t she good enough to be yours?” She gave me a good squeeze and i woke up. Tears rolled down my cheeks, “And I was like God? Really? You want me to be Catholic???” “oh, ****!” <–that was a four letter word, but started with a cr and ended with a p. It took me a year to get up the courage to go to RCIA. I went through this with only a couple people knowing. I became a part of “the family of God” even though I knew I was a Christian- i knew I was missing something. [SIGN]The amazing power of the Holy Eucharist![/SIGN] Most people still don’t know I’m catholic- especially my dad[SIGN]. I want to shout it from the rooftops,[/SIGN] but I don’t want him to be dissapointed in me. It’s kinda depressing. Anyway- I love being Catholic, and I would never deny the Eucharist. It’s kind of a need to know basis. But, yeah…interdenominational quarrels are stupid because they don’t get the Body of Christ anywhere.

I love you for saying this. ITs great!

 

[Javl]

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I see the same thing. I mean she did not even know the scripture for Jesus giving Peter and the APostles the power to forgive sin. I mean if you want to blame the school okay. But Granted I never went to a Catholic College but I learned this in a Catholic school.

ANd I have never seen my Priests drunk in 12 years of CC. TO this day I never have.

It is possible that in her case that she has. I’ve never see a drunken priest, although I did
know one who was battling his alcoholism. But, I had never seen him take drink or be
inebreated. He received a dispensation when consecrating the wine. I think he used grape
juice.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[cr12392000]

who do the catholic worship . If i am not mistaken they worship mary am i correct. please help me to understand?

 

[fbl9]

who do the catholic worship . If i am not mistaken they worship mary am i correct. please help me to understand?

Catholics worship the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit… their worship is done together with the holy Mother, and with all the Saints in heaven and on earth.

 

[marymyothermom]

who do the catholic worship . If i am not mistaken they worship mary am i correct. please help me to understand?

Catholics worship God in the form of the Trinity- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mary & Saints are not worshipped like God. They are revered. We pray to Mary and the Saints in the way that they will pray or intercede on our behalf to God. We love God, so we love Mary, the woman that was chosen to bring Christ into the world.

 

[Incomplete]

I grew up in one of those non-denominational christian, and a general distain for any real type of a structured church. I had problems though with churches disbanding, because of lack of structure, and found a home in the Wesleyan Church. Which i found to be very legalistic. My dad says he’s catholic in a lot of ways (i’m guessing in the “universal” sense, but I was raised with this anti-Catholic viewpoint & coincedentally anit-Baptist. I met my husband (cradle Catholic) while I was extremely active in the wesleyan church youth group. We argued-a lot. I told him to read his Bible, because you know Catholics don’t EVER read the Bible. (sarchastic) After we started dating, I went to church with him sometimes, and started to get it. I had my qualms. Transubstantiation, perpetual virginity, papal authority, Mary Mary Mary! One by one, my things against Catholicism fell. It’s funny, transubstatiation was easy to reconcile. Papal authority- ok, it’s been this way for a long time, i can deal with that. But, Mary! What made her so great?! Pray to Mary? not me!! But then, i had a dream…i was in a small Catholic prayer chapel. A statue of Mary with her arms welcoming, prayer candles burning. I said “what makes you so great?” Mother Angelica walks in. She puts her arm around me and says, “Honey, if she was good enough to be Jesus’ mother, isn’t she good enough to be yours?” She gave me a good squeeze and i woke up. Tears rolled down my cheeks, “And I was like God? Really? You want me to be Catholic???” “oh, ****!” <–that was a four letter word, but started with a cr and ended with a p. It took me a year to get up the courage to go to RCIA. I went through this with only a couple people knowing. I became a part of “the family of God” even though I knew I was a Christian- i knew I was missing something. [SIGN]The amazing power of the Holy Eucharist![/SIGN] Most people still don’t know I’m catholic- especially my dad. I want to shout it from the rooftops, but I don’t want him to be dissapointed in me. It’s kinda depressing. Anyway- I love being Catholic, and I would never deny the Eucharist. It’s kind of a need to know basis. But, yeah…interdenominational quarrels are stupid because they don’t get the Body of Christ anywhere.

Your story really touched me. Thanks.

 

[Holly3278]

Hey everyone. The more I look into the Catholic faith, the more I realize that people in general just don’t like it. All I’ve seen were extremes; you either love it or you hate it. I haven’t really seen many in-betweens yet, especially among protestants. Personally, I love God’s church and look forward to joining it. But… why do so many people hate it? The Catholic church seems to get twice as much hate as protestantism and other religions. Maybe it’s just because the area where I live is mostly dominated by Baptists and non-denominational protestants. Still, they even seem to have a bad rep online. What’s your opinion on this matter?

I believe that many people either hate it because of ignorance or because it’s the Truth!

 

[Javl]

who do the catholic worship . If i am not mistaken they worship mary am i correct. please help me to understand?

Catholics DO NOT worship Mary. We worship only the Triune God. We revere Mary as Jesus’ mother and pray to her for her help in asking Jesus for favors, much as you would ask some one to pray for you or others. I hope this clears it up.

Also, as an added note: we DO NOT pray to, or worship statues. Much as you
keep a photograph of a loved one in your pocket, or a statue is made to honor someone
notable, we have statues to honor and remind us of these saints that are in heaven. We also revere and pray to them for their help since they are much closer to God than we are.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

 

[Leslie_Polley]

Thank you for your telling me your story. I too am a cradle Catholic and went thru the same as you. I also left the Church. I was agnostic to the point of atheism. I had read and re-read the Bible many times and then set about to prove that all religions were phony,
money making schemes, etc. The more involved I got in my studies, the more convinced I became of my goal, until I guess the Holy Spirit got hold of me, shook the dickens out of me and showed me the truth. Yes, I’ve studied and learned about almost all religions,
and yes I do know my scriptures. In my studies I’ve learned that the only Church is the one found by Jesus, and that is the Catholic Church. I reverted and today I am a Catholic
and no amount of arguement will change that. The Catholic Church is 2000 years old and is unchanged because Jesus said that the gates of hell shall not prevail against it and that
He will be with it always. Yes, many of the clergy, under the aegis of the prince of lies
have tried to destroy it from within. But Jesus is true to His word and has kept it free from
error.

I don’t know why you left the Church, you have your reasons. But it is my estimation that you left because you really knew nothing about it. For if you did, you would have remained a Catholic. There have been many vehemently anti-Catholics down thru the ages who have attacked the Church and who when learning the truth converted to Catholicism. Watch EWTN and learn the truth. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem

I felt simply becasue of contuous change. I am not on the sight to urge anyone to leave the church. That is not my place or intent. When I left the church I never doublted God, and my love for Jesus only grew. The only “name” given in the scripture is Pentecost, and after the Holy Spirit indowed them, “them” meaning everyone in the room, power, that is when the preaching and fearlessnes took place. I am in a full gospel church, and am very very happy and satisfied. they teach the whole word of God with no extras. If I have questions I go to my bible. I do have both Catholic and King James. I have watched the Catholic stations and on the most part concure, Have you ever watched John Haggie of David Jeremiah? I do not watch them all because some are off the wall but most are OK I am not the least afraid to admit the corruption of ministers as well as priest, neither of which will keep me fom the Word of God…however my trust is in Jesus Christ, not any church. I go because He said to assemble yourselves together. It does give you strength. I have no idea why this is called…Anti-Catholicism. I certainly am not. I am very glad you are happy where you are, the only thing I would ask is that your heart, trust, and your faith is in Jesus, for He is the only way. No Church, including mine. It is where I go to learn, and study…my faith is in Christ. “He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man cometh before the Father except by Him”. I will keep going to my church and you yours. God bless you and keep you. Hope we can talk again.

 

[Javl]

I felt simply becasue of contuous change. I am not on the sight to urge anyone to leave the church. That is not my place or intent. When I left the church I never doublted God, and my love for Jesus only grew. The only “name” given in the scripture is Pentecost, and after the Holy Spirit indowed them, “them” meaning everyone in the room, power, that is when the preaching and fearlessnes took place. I am in a full gospel church, and am very very happy and satisfied. they teach the whole word of God with no extras. If I have questions I go to my bible. I do have both Catholic and King James. I have watched the Catholic stations and on the most part concure, Have you ever watched John Haggie of David Jeremiah? I do not watch them all because some are off the wall but most are OK I am not the least afraid to admit the corruption of ministers as well as priest, neither of which will keep me fom the Word of God…however my trust is in Jesus Christ, not any church. I go because He said to assemble yourselves together. It does give you strength. I have no idea why this is called…Anti-Catholicism. I certainly am not. I am very glad you are happy where you are, the only thing I would ask is that your heart, trust, and your faith is in Jesus, for He is the only way. No Church, including mine. It is where I go to learn, and study…my faith is in Christ. “He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man cometh before the Father except by Him”. I will keep going to my church and you yours. God bless you and keep you. Hope we can talk again.

Ok, Leslie. Thank you for explaining your position. I understand your reasons, even though
I do not agree with them. May I ask you why then, the way you feel and understand, did
Jesus found a Church ( an assembly of worshippers ), give the apostles authority to bind
and loose on earth and the authority to forgive sins and tell Peter to feed His sheep if He
only wanted you to go direct to Him alone? I thought by His doing all this that everything
done by the Church went direct to Him. Also the Church hasNOT changed
any of His or the Apostles teachings or Traditions. The only thing that may have changed
is the understanding, or the method presented, of these teachings which in no way
afffects them. The Church has the authority to do this.

PAX DOMINI

Shalom Aleichem