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Leslie_Polley
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Well put…just for the record…I’m not and athiest
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1beleevr
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Hallelujah, sister; we are saved by the Blood of Christ, God’s incredible grace, and baptism:thumbsup
oesn’t matter where you’re at; Jesus will meet you anywhere
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Thing
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The heretics, no doubt, thought the same.
1 Corinthians 11
19 For there must be also heresies: that they also, who are approved, may be made manifest among you.
1 Corinthians 11
19 For there must be also heresies: that they also, who are approved, may be made manifest among you.
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Javl
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Thank you. I agree with you as far as Catholics go. Many are very abusive and abrasive,]
Apology accepted! Before coming on this forum, the bulk of my contact with catholics was very negativeNot saying that to rile anyone up, or criticize the religion as a whole, but it’s the truth! Because of this, I started to wonder,“Are all catholics so abrasive and quick to drop an F-bomb or three? I have found that this is not the case; although there are some contentious individuals on this forum(on both sides)! I have come a long way in obeying the second greatest Commandment(Matthew 22:39), and am finding it easier to “love” my fellow man, regardless of race, religious belief, etc. Even though I have differences of opinion with people of all faiths(not just catholics), believe me when I tell you that I have the utmost respect for everyone, even the inmates I work around! The interesting thing I would hear from former catholics was,” I was raised catholic, and then I got saved,"or, “I learned the truth!” I am still confused about that! Anyway, as Christians, we must learn to put aside petty differences, and strive to fill the Kingdom, not churches:thumbsup: Love you, my Christian brother
even towards other Catholics. These are the ultra-traditionalists, much like the funda-
mentalists in non-Catholics. You can’t tell them anything, and they refuse to listen.
They are mostly what we call “sedevacantists” ( they believe that Pius XII was the last
legitimate Pope and that Vatican II was an abomination ). Others follow Archbishop
Marcel Lefebre.
And I still say and believe that many ex-Catholics really do not know, or knew, anything
about the Church. But then, leaving is their decision, as long as they remain Christian and not join some cult. Many, in time do revert. My friend, thank you for your under standing and may God Bless you abundantly for bringing to my attention the beam in
my eye.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
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Javl
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Yep. I call it profiling. Judging the whole by one. Lord help us for we know not what we do.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
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1beleevr
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And thank you for responding:thumbsup: I too, am guilty at times of having “plank-in-the-eye” syndrome! But thanks to humility and God’s grace, I am able to realize my mistake and get past it! In the non-catholic community we also have “Bible thumpers and fire and brimstone preachers”. Anyway, brother, It’s good to talk with you and, May God continue to richly bless you:thumbsup:
]Thank you. I agree with you as far as Catholics go. Many are very abusive and abrasive,
even towards other Catholics. These are the ultra-traditionalists, much like the funda-
mentalists in non-Catholics. You can’t tell them anything, and they refuse to listen.
They are mostly what we call “sedevacantists” ( they believe that Pius XII was the last
legitimate Pope and that Vatican II was an abomination ). Others follow Archbishop
Marcel Lefebre.
And I still say and believe that many ex-Catholics really do not know, or knew, anything
about the Church. But then, leaving is their decision, as long as they remain Christian and not join some cult. Many, in time do revert. My friend, thank you for your under standing and may God Bless you abundantly for bringing to my attention the beam in
my eye.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
And thank you for responding:thumbsup: I too, am guilty at times of having “plank-in-the-eye” syndrome! But thanks to humility and God’s grace, I am able to realize my mistake and get past it! In the non-catholic community we also have “Bible thumpers and fire and brimstone preachers”. Anyway, brother, It’s good to talk with you and, May God continue to richly bless you:thumbsup:
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pismopal
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Fiction?..grade school…high school.college.sure. It was assigned reading so I did it. I don’t pick up fiction to read but many people don’t read anything else. As far as a priest recommending a book about religion or anything else I am ok with that (as if they needed my approval) they are people and people have a wide range of interests. If a book is a little off the path that doesn’t mean that the reader is. My idea is that it would be safer for an inmate to be introduced to the thought of God with a novel than by asking them to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. As I wrote earlier…I would rather spend my time reading work by committed co-religionists than some off beat idea couched in a novel but I am not an inmate. I am hoping my Catholic core could survive a few hours of novel reading.
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Javl
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I hope I can count you among my friends. We need each other, so that when we go offf on a tangent or let our emotions get the best of us, to take us down a peg or two.
God Bless.
PAX DOMINI :signofcross.
Shalom Aleichem
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wisdomseeker
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sure, this is all written in the Bible. the question is who has authority to teach and who has authority to send and ordain? just anyone who read the Bible can assume anything just because they read in the Bible? this has no merit, dont you think?
have you found the Teaching office with authority established by Christ to spread the Gospel throughout the world?
i notice that protestants always avoid Scriptures that talks about the Church and the authority that she is to have here on earth.
once you discover the Church that Jesus found everything else, all other Scriptures come into place. there is no need to pick verses here and there to prove something that you think is True when you dont even know what is that you are trying to say.
if we give you Scriptures, immediatly you come wiht another Scriptures trying to prove we got wrong. this is not what Scriptures is for. Scripture does not prove others to be wrong.
St Paul is not talking about people outside the Church. i hope you can see that.
Can you show me where in the Bible, the Apostles taught anything different from each other?
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rinnie
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rinnie;5958260 said:[SIGN][/SIGN]]
Oh goody!I am pleased as punch! I don’'t know what I’d do, if I didn’t have the Holy Spirit to guide me through this crazy world
Oh lB I do love ya though!
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rinnie
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Apostles Creed. By the Power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary and Became MAN.
Oh O. Are you sure about that. Do you not agree that Jesus Christ was not true Man? The Catholic Church teaches that Jesus Christ was truly Man. What does your church teach?
Apostles Creed. By the Power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary and Became MAN.
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Prieldedi
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I as a Catholic respect the decision of those who decide to leave our Church. They are free to do as their conscience dictates. When the subject comes up and we engage in a conversation, like I have done with one of my brothers-in-law, I will defend the Church and I will try to explain to him where he is wrong.
I also have a few friends that left the Church, most of them just aren’t religious, they are not converted Protestants. But they make the same accusations against the Church than those that became Protestants. When I ask them if they are going to join a Protestant church they flatly say no, and explain that they know that the true Church is the Catholic Church. Then why do you reject it?, I ask, and the answer is the same: it’s not easy to be Catholic.
Why isn’t it easy to be a Catholic? For one, Stephen K. Ray, a convert Catholic (formerly Baptist) says the following:
“For the Protestant, the major obstacle, overshadowing all others, is the issue of authority… Authority doesn’t sit well with the twentieth-century mind-set. It smacks of weakness, slavery, and subservience, especially in a society that values unlimited personal freedom as a birthright… Submission to Christ in his Church is not an act of blindness, weakness, conformity, or groveling. It is rather an act of courage, intelligence, and decisiveness-a willing choice made from the very essence of emancipation. We [he and his wife] realized that the Catholic Church was God’s authority, his Kingdom represented visible in space and time. Once we recognized the truth and historical solidity of the Church’s claims, we had no choice but gladly to swear allegiance and pledge our fealty.” Crossing the Tiber, 1997 Ignatius Press
Most left for the discipline (imposed by that Authority) required from our Faith from day one of Christianity, not for a major theological or religious principle debate. I’m talking here about by personal experience… I know, I know: not all former Catholic fall in this category. There, I acknowledge it. The ones that moved to a Protestant denomination are happy now because they face no more “discipline”, and they have been convinced by their new church that “since it’s not in the Bible” it’s their right to reject it, now they are “free”. So, by being a Catholic, and knowing first hand all the objections that our own Catholic brothers have regarding our Church is that we know the truth of their rejection.
Confession… it’s not easy to confess one’s sins I agree. But we have to do it because that’s what Jesus wants from us.
Authority… “You are Peter” etc., we have no problem. But there are those that don’t like it when the Church tells us that premarital sex is a sin, or that contraception is also a sin, etc. See, it’s not easy to be a Catholic in the 21st Century. No need to give more examples.
That’s why when we see someone going away from the Church we say we know the real truth behind their leaving. Again, for most of them, not all of them. I even have had the same thoughts, but I know I can’t just proclaim myself to be judge and say that the Church is wrong because She asks me not to sin. I don’t have that Authority.
God bless you
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Javl
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You have said it better than I ever could. Your explanation and examples are great. God
Bless you. I hope our Protestant brothers and sisters understand.
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Shalom Aleichem
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1beleevr
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prieldedi always writes very good posts, and you are correct, she summed it up very nicely! Having been raised in the 50’s and 60’s, spending time in the military, and now working in corrections, believe me I know the importance of discipline and authority! It is hard being a Christian period, regardless of your religious persuasion. Sometimes our biggest enemy is ourselves, and our foolish pride
Many of us have enough trouble submitting to man’s rules, let alone God’s! People leave churches for what would seem petty reasons; we had a couple leave because they didn’t like the music! And as for myself, the privilege of being able to confess my sins directly to my Father, through my Saviour, serves to deepen my personal relationship with Him! And speaking of serving; since I got out from the pew, and those four walls, and began seeing people through God’s eyes, my Christian walk has blossomed! I am better able to “love” others as myself(Matthew 22:39) Love has so many diferent meanings, but kindness and respect go a long way towards reaching someone, rather than ignoring or treating them as non-humans! But hey, I have decided to remain non-catholic, but I love ALL of my Christian brothers and sisters, regardless of what title you choose to wear:thumbsup:
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Javl
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Good for you. You may have chosen a narrow and rocky path to follow, but I see that youprieldedi always writes very good posts, and you are correct, she summed it up very nicely! Having been raised in the 50’s and 60’s, spending time in the military, and now working in corrections, believe me I know the importance of discipline and authority! It is hard being a Christian period, regardless of your religious persuasion. Sometimes our biggest enemy is ourselves, and our foolish pride
have sure footing and won’t slip and fall. As Our Lord has said ( paraphrasing ), “Narrow and difficult is the path to Heaven, and wide and broad is the path to hell”. Many today with their political correctness, pro-choice, etc. have forgotten about God and have chosen the latter path. We, the faithful, should all turn our efforts to correct this situation
instead of picking on and bickering among ourselves. I shudder to think of, and grieve for, all those souls that may be forever lost. God Bless.
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Drawmack
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Javl,You assidious comments on my statements are rather abrading and irritating. I am trying
to answer you in all charity. But when you insist that my statemants and comments are off the wall all I can say is that you truly do not know anything whatsoever about Catholicism regardles of what you may say. I find it impossible that I, and others, to have any decent kind of communication with you. I pray that the Good Lord remove whatever bitterness you have from you.
PAX DOMINI
Shalom Aleichem
If you read that post as abrading and irritating then I pray that you develop an ability to converse with those of a differing opinion without resorting to making insulting ad hominem attacks against them.
This is, at least, the second time you have responded to my statements with an ad hominem attack which did not even address what I actually posted.
God Bless
Drawmack.
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Drawmack
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In the Year 2525, if man is still alive, if woman can survive, they may find…
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Drawmack
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That is 100% true, and 100% irrelevant to the points in the post you were responding to.
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Drawmack
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I know you already acknowledged this, but just for clarity’s sake I need to say that I did leave over theological reasons. There were, and still are, just a few points that I believe the Catholic Church is wrong about and I absolutely, and flat-out, refused to be a cafeteria Catholic. Since one of the Catholic Church’s teachings, namely infallibility, says that if you do not accept the sum total of its teachings you are not Catholic then I could not, in good conscious, continue to call myself Catholic.
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Leslie_Polley
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What is OSAS, and what do you mean you put your faith in the Eucharist.Thanks, Glad you can appreciate it! I don’t believe in OSAS…I put my faith in the Eucharist
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