Anti-gay message in Catholic parish bulletin sparks outrage

[MarthaSo]

You did address the point sorry. I see what you’re saying and that makes sense but what about Catholic teens or new to the faith Catholics or your average Catholic, should they also attend because that is whom the priest was addressing I would think. And how would these Catholics who are going by themselves for example shine their light without a table setup. In what way would they be able to do these things so the receiver knows it was done in Christ’s name?

 

[theCardinalbird]

I can only speak about what I witness the gay people I know do. They accept everyone. That is what the movement is about. It is about calling for a society where no one person tells another person who they can love or how they can love. Full stop, as long as those involved are consenting adults. So if someone chooses to abstain from being sexually active, regardless of sexual orientation, that is what they should do and it is nobody’s place to say otherwise. I will say that most aren’t Catholic, and most are sex-positive. Obviously, they have a different set of values and beliefs than Catholics. But in answer to your question, they happily include people of all faiths, including Catholics. They don’t happily engage with people who try to dictate how they should live with regards to their sexuality, of course. In other words, they have a live-and-let-live attitude, and it doesn’t discriminate based on religion.

If they accept everyone, why does the LGBTQ community sue, and demonize people who don’t agree with their idea of what marriage is? If they want us to stop telling others how to live their lives, then it doesn’t make sense that they would force people to bake cakes in recognition of what they think is right. If they dream of a society where no person tells another person how they can love, then they are dreaming of a society where no person tells another person how or what to believe. Which means that while they are free to believe and live how they want, they must allow others to have that freedom as well

Simply put, if they don’t want us to impose our morality on them, then they must not push their morality on us.

Based on how this community is portrayed. They are tolerant and accepting until someone disagrees with them.

 

[Zach]

It’s a shame the authorities in the parish or diocese caved in to these protesters. If the truth can’t even be proclaimed in a Catholic Bulletin we are all doomed. Has anyone seen clips of these parades? Lots of sinning going on in broad daylight in public. Pride, pride, pride, pride, is not pride one of the seven deadly sins?

 

[JMMJ]

Please re-read the first sentence of my post. I will repeat it:

“I can only speak about what I witness the gay people I know do.”

I don’t have answers for you with regards to the issues you raise, because they aren’t part of my experience.

I don’t know of any gay people who aren’t happy to let Catholics believe whatever they choose. They aren’t pleased with Catholics who tell them how to live. It is offensive to them.

 

[Zach]

Oh it’s offensive to them? Too bad. Their actions are offensive to me.

 

[PetraG]

Maybe it is worth asking your local Courage group if they have thought of setting up a booth at your local pride event?

I’m pretty sure Courage knows how to find local pride events without (name removed by moderator)ut from me.

This kind of goes back to my original point of lacking explanation.

Do they think he’s implying children can become gay by going to these parades? They need to communicate that so that he has a chance to clear that up.

Do they think he’s saying gay people shouldn’t be given an opportunity to feel safe similar to what @TheLittleLady stated? They need to communicate that so that a discussion can be had about how the two groups see this differently. Heck, this thread itself is a testament to how different people see different values in these parades.

As it stands now, it just looks like a bunch of people telling a priest not to profess what his religion believes. We’re never going to get anywhere with that.

I think the poster who suggested this is a conversation that is a bit too delicate for a bulletin announcement was probably right. An approach that explains how participation at any public event ought to be discerned might be better, if a bulletin was seen as a place for catechesis.

 

[metalwolf]

I meant about them calling church teachings hate speech.

 

[LoveMercyGrace]

Bishop Barron speaks first on pride. ironic this term is used for what we are called by some to support or celebrate.

 

[TheLittleLady]

should they also attend

That depends. Has someone you love asked you to attend? If my child were gay and asked me to come see his band play at a pride festival, I would be there.

I’ve never shielded my child from the world. We live in a town that is a tourist town, every weekend there is a festival of some sort and I rarely know which one is going on. Let’s say we decided to go eat down in the historic district and there was a jazz festival or a pride festival or (one we HAVE happened upon) a white pride festival.

We would still walk downtown, still go to eat, we’d still visit a booth and buy a funnel cake or stop and listen to a band or watch a street performer. As long as the group of people is not doing illegal things, becoming violent, etc, we would carry on with our recreation downtown.

On the other hand, if I had a teen who wanted to go out of curiosity, first I would have a long talk and we would remember that people are not zoo exhibits to simply be “looked at”. If their desire was to simply go because they wanted to show respect for people who have been marginalized and hated, I would go with them so we could talk about things.

While I know there are a million vids and photos that give the impression that every pride event is like an orgy, in my personal experience, they are no more raucous than other festivals.

Would I take someone else’s kids without the parents permission, no. Would I force other people to go if they did not want to, no.

Catholics who are going by themselves for example shine their light without a table setup. In what way would they be able to do these things so the receiver knows it was done in Christ’s name?

If I were organizing a group to go, we would have a banner, same one we carry at Pro Life marches or other social-justice events, that has the name of our parish. We have labels that go on the bottles with our social media addresses and the date/times of a group that meets from our Diocese, invite to our adult faith seekers group, etc.

I would wear my T shirt that says “Don’t Judge Someone Just Because They Sin Differently Than You Do” that I bought at a Southern Baptist store.

 

[MarthaSo]

I’ve never shielded my child from the world either but that doesn’t mean I would take him anywhere. If I happen to walk by and a white pride parade had the best chocolate ice cream that he wanted I’d tell him no because I’m not supporting that type of pride.
I wish I could address more points but have to get ready to visit family. Have a blessed day everyone.

 

[LittleFlower378]

This is why the Priest is the one who is compassionate. He is the one saying that attending Pride events would be harmful to those struggling with same sex attraction. He is right since at these events homosexual lifestyle isn’t suppressed but promoted. God doesn’t want folks to give into disordered desires, and that includes all disordered desires, not just same sex attraction.

 

[Wesrock]

What amazes me is that this LGBQT…, movement, is so shocked a Priest or Bishop would advise his flock to not attend a Pride rally/march/parade.

There has been an active movement to shame people for not supporting the “correct” positions. I don’t mean just a trend, but people actually writing books and strategies that this is the tactic that must be used to effectively shut down opposition to the “correct” positions on LGBTQ rights.

Granted, it’s not like this hasn’t been used by other parties, including Christians, in the past.

But you’ll increasingly see outrage and shame tactics over any expression of traditional Christian views so that the everyday person feels ashamed and wrong at holding them.

 

[theCardinalbird]

Please re-read the first sentence of my post. I will repeat it:

“I can only speak about what I witness the gay people I know do.”

I don’t have answers for you with regards to the issues you raise, because they aren’t part of my experience.

Ok that’s a fair response

I don’t know of any gay people who aren’t happy to let Catholics believe whatever they choose. They aren’t pleased with Catholics who tell them how to live. It is offensive to them.

And we aren’t pleased with LGBTQ people telling us that we have to accept their idea of marriage. It’s offensive to us.

Though you probably don’t have any answer for this as you may not know people who are like this?

 

[maryjk]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...aces-backlash-after-banning-jewish-pride-flag

Participants at an upcoming gay pride parade in D.C. will be able to wave the Palestinian flag, but not the Israeli flag or the Jewish pride flag.

The D.C. Dyke March will not allow participants to display Israeli or “nationalist” symbols, according to Forward.

“This includes Israeli flags, as well as flags that resemble Israeli flags, such as a pride flag with a Star of David in the middle,” march organizer Rae Gaines said. Gaines also said American flags would not be welcome at the event, but a Palestinian flag would.

So, yes and no.

 

[PetraG]

…That is what the movement is about. It is about calling for a society where no one person tells another person who they can love or how they can love. Full stop, as long as those involved are consenting adults…

Love is given as the reason, but I don’t see that the movement has any requirement that love be involved. It is about sexual behaviors and a desire not only for the license to practice them but the right to have them all approved as fully equal and even praiseworthy as expressions of love. There are even some who don’t think that the capacity for procreation sets heterosexuals apart at all and who want to pretend that blood relationships are essentially irrelevant to the formation of a family.

It is one thing to say that criminalization is a bad way for society to regulate morality and quite another to say that the existing morality ought to be denounced as a thinly-veiled form of hatred. That is where Christian morality is held by a good many, yet the pastor who says this out loud is denounced.

 

[Gingersnaps4]

For children, pride parades do have the appearance of showing same sex relationships as a good and healthy thing. There is no denying that these events celebrate and showcase the fact that “LOVE is LOVE” and “Love trumps hate”, etc, complete with signage in bold print. These events put out a message that is opposite of church teaching. We should not attend these and it’s an assault upon a child’s malleable conscience to drag your kids to these events. It’s irresponsible parenting, at minimum.

 

[bassmansteiny]

Crenna, who is Catholic, decided not to send her children to mass on Friday in protest

Wow
Regardless of what someone thinks of the Priest’s letter, that is just wrong thing to do. Withholding her kids from the Sacrament of the Mass.

 

[bassmansteiny]

After reading the article again, it just confirms my belief that Catholic Schools, Colleges and Universities being separated from the Church years agowas the wrong move.

Edit: don’t get me wrong. I love our gay brothers and sisters. I love my gay best friend. However a Catholic school, besides a sound education, is supposed to teach the morals and values of the Catholic Church. All are welcome but we don’t need to compromise our beliefs/values.

 

[Horton]

If they accept everyone, why does the LGBTQ community sue, and demonize people who don’t agree with their idea of what marriage is? If they want us to stop telling others how to live their lives, then it doesn’t make sense that they would force people to bake cakes in recognition of what they think is right. If they dream of a society where no person tells another person how they can love, then they are dreaming of a society where no person tells another person how or what to believe. Which means that while they are free to believe and live how they want, they must allow others to have that freedom as well

Best response of this whole thread. These comments get at the heart of the issue.

Those pushing the whole “pride” organization are not about equality or acceptance, they don’t want others to just leave them alone to be who they are, they don’t want all of society to accept their sexual identity. That is not what these pride events are for.

Those is the pride community want to force all of to celebrate and expose their lifestyle. They are not happy with living freely, they want to force us to denounce our faith and say what they do is okay. But we know their behavior is NOT okay. We know everything pride events stand for behaviorally is against what God teaches.

 

[signit]

You should do some looking into the number of homosexuals who were abused as children, by homosexuals, and in turn abuse children themselves.

Even if that’s true, that pedophiles are disproportionately homosexual, that still doesn’t prove that they “turn kids gay,” and it certainly doesn’t prove that gays marching in a parade who aren’t pedophiles “turn kids gay.”