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TheLittleLady
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The thing is Christ told us to do the good, kind, loving works and let the Holy Spirit change the hearts.
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Anti-gay message in Catholic parish bulletin sparks outrage
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Usige
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Nope. I attend a very large parish with plenty of AV equipment that could do as you mention, but even with the ability to do so we do not.
Most clergy in my area don’t even formally write a homily so much as they write down key talking points. I’ve often served with the same priest for multiple masses on a given day and while their homilies are similar they often use different examples to illustrate a point or they will put more emphasis on one point or another. As one priest told me, the Holy Spirit should guide the homily and sometimes He tells you that this point is more important for the souls in this mass, but another point is important for the souls at a later mass.
Most clergy in my area don’t even formally write a homily so much as they write down key talking points. I’ve often served with the same priest for multiple masses on a given day and while their homilies are similar they often use different examples to illustrate a point or they will put more emphasis on one point or another. As one priest told me, the Holy Spirit should guide the homily and sometimes He tells you that this point is more important for the souls in this mass, but another point is important for the souls at a later mass.
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MagdalenaRita
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I completely agree but participating or supporting the pride of homosexual activity is not the good, kind, loving works we are to do. The good, kind, loving thing to do is pray for them and lead them to Christ, lest their souls continue to be in danger.The thing is Christ told us to do the good, kind, loving works and let the Holy Spirit change the hearts.
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Rudolph
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Getting drunk and celebrating homosexuality are very different. Also I feel gay people discriminate as much/more than anyone.
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ZMystiCat
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This kind of goes back to my original point of lacking explanation.if that were the implication that was drawn.
Do they think he’s implying children can become gay by going to these parades? They need to communicate that so that he has a chance to clear that up.
Do they think he’s saying gay people shouldn’t be given an opportunity to feel safe similar to what @TheLittleLady stated? They need to communicate that so that a discussion can be had about how the two groups see this differently. Heck, this thread itself is a testament to how different people see different values in these parades.
As it stands now, it just looks like a bunch of people telling a priest not to profess what his religion believes. We’re never going to get anywhere with that.
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Rudolph
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Completely agree
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MarthaSo
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I totally see where you’re coming from but how will they get brought closer to our Lord (which entails leaving a lifestyle contrary to His laws) by just grabbing a water bottle without proclaiming the gospel in any way. If while they grab free water they see a Jesus sign they may think “oh cool a Christian group that accepts our lifestyle” since they’re not proclaiming anything. Unless you mean, just do the action even without talking about Christ and the Spirit will work in them somehow. I mean it’s possible I guess but wouldn’t they need to know that the kindness extended to them in a water bottle was from a group of people whose faith is contradictory to their lifestyle, otherwise you’re just grabbing a bottle of water from someone.
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MagdalenaRita
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I don’t think he is implying children become gay by attending but if they are led to believe there is nothing wrong with homosexual activity they may be led to act on it, when normally they would not.Do they think he’s implying children can become gay by going to these parades? They need to communicate that so that he has a chance to clear that up.
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esieffe
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I don’t really want to join the fray, but I feel compelled to report my own experience with this. I didn’t think much of it at the time, but I was in my early 30’s and very much a part of the party crowd in Atlanta. We thought we would go to one of the open air restaurants along the parade route to watch the spectacle. It was quite a show. It was interesting, there were some churches that participated in the actual march. These were mostly non-denominational. The Methodist Church right on Peachtree St was passing out water and literature. What kind I couldn’t say.
I am chiming in only because I have to say there were parts of the parade that were most definitely “R” rated. There is a chain of adult bookstores here, and they had a float and were throwing condoms in rainbow wrappers out to the crowds. This was in either 99 or 2000 and corporate America was well on board. Delta Airlines, most of the beer and liquor distributors, the APD and the AFD. The leather community was there wearing a little bit of clothing. Not for young eyes, not at all. In Atlanta I don’t think it was as much of a problem as downtown and midtown are destinations. Not family oriented but this parade was NOT for kids, not at all.
This isn’t a dig at SSA or even most gay people. These parades are about, or they were then based on that experience, partying and decadence. I didn’t care that much because I was so cool, worldly, and cosmopolitan. A rotten sinner in other words. I couldn’t cast stones then and I can’t now, but for different reasons .
I have never seen parades in other towns, and while there are elements that wouldn’t bother many there are that most certainly are anything but family friendly. Of course that was 20 something years ago. Unless they have changed… Catholics are right to warn about them. I have people I like on both sides of this issue here, but I felt I had to share, or I would not be standing up for the faith.
Pax Christie!
I am chiming in only because I have to say there were parts of the parade that were most definitely “R” rated. There is a chain of adult bookstores here, and they had a float and were throwing condoms in rainbow wrappers out to the crowds. This was in either 99 or 2000 and corporate America was well on board. Delta Airlines, most of the beer and liquor distributors, the APD and the AFD. The leather community was there wearing a little bit of clothing. Not for young eyes, not at all. In Atlanta I don’t think it was as much of a problem as downtown and midtown are destinations. Not family oriented but this parade was NOT for kids, not at all.
This isn’t a dig at SSA or even most gay people. These parades are about, or they were then based on that experience, partying and decadence. I didn’t care that much because I was so cool, worldly, and cosmopolitan. A rotten sinner in other words. I couldn’t cast stones then and I can’t now, but for different reasons .
I have never seen parades in other towns, and while there are elements that wouldn’t bother many there are that most certainly are anything but family friendly. Of course that was 20 something years ago. Unless they have changed… Catholics are right to warn about them. I have people I like on both sides of this issue here, but I felt I had to share, or I would not be standing up for the faith.
Pax Christie!
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Limoncello4021
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One should always avoid the near occasion of sin. This includes any public display of lewd behavior, drunkenness. These things offend God. Don’t try to justify them.
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esieffe
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That IS the other side of the coin isn’t it. I do my own little bit from time to time, and I think we should encourage others to do the same. Not endorsing sinful behavior and taking advantage of an opportunity to evangelize, that is a fine line isn’t it?Actually, I know Christian groups who organize to go to Pride events, some to simply give away bottles of cold water in the Name of Jesus.
One man I know buys copies of the Gospel of John bound as a single book and gives it away at festivals including pride festivals. He has done this for decades.
My maternal Grandmother passed out Bible’s and cooked meals out of her back door for homeless people back in the great depression. She was quite a woman.
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JMMJ
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I can only speak about what I witness the gay people I know do. They accept everyone. That is what the movement is about. It is about calling for a society where no one person tells another person who they can love or how they can love. Full stop, as long as those involved are consenting adults. So if someone chooses to abstain from being sexually active, regardless of sexual orientation, that is what they should do and it is nobody’s place to say otherwise. I will say that most aren’t Catholic, and most are sex-positive. Obviously, they have a different set of values and beliefs than Catholics. But in answer to your question, they happily include people of all faiths, including Catholics. They don’t happily engage with people who try to dictate how they should live with regards to their sexuality, of course. In other words, they have a live-and-let-live attitude, and it doesn’t discriminate based on religion.
Truthfully, I see the whole Pride month initiative migrating in the next decade, taking the focus off sexuality and putting it on inclusivity, tolerance, and a broader message of acceptance. I think we are witnessing evolution in the making.
Truthfully, I see the whole Pride month initiative migrating in the next decade, taking the focus off sexuality and putting it on inclusivity, tolerance, and a broader message of acceptance. I think we are witnessing evolution in the making.
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prayerrider
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That’s right. Children are curious. Children can be influenced. And they can be influenced to try things that are bad for them, especially if those things are perceived as trendy and cool. Duh.
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Lion_IRC
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LGBTQIA (rainbow flag) Outrage is getting old
It’s pretty much becoming a cliche
#yawn
It’s pretty much becoming a cliche
#yawn
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MarthaSo
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The movement is about them accepting everyone? Hmmm I didn’t realize that. Catholics tell a society how they should love? Or Catholics abide by the laws of God and are faithful to His teachings. It seems the way we word things make a big difference. The rest of your post mainly speaks about your particular friends beliefs, that they happily include Catholics but don’t happily want to engage with them because of their beliefs. Pardon my confusion there. Live and let live, if only the pro abortion groups felt the same.
As to your last paragraph I doubt it, I think sexuality will still be very much flaunted with the continued condom throwing etc…
As to your last paragraph I doubt it, I think sexuality will still be very much flaunted with the continued condom throwing etc…
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JMMJ
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Clearly, you read my post through the lense of your own agenda, Martha. It is difficult to have honest conversation when people do that.
I will bow out now.
I will bow out now.
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MarthaSo
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I didn’t realize I did that but ok. Take care. And I don’t have any particular agenda quite frankly.
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TheLittleLady
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Let your light so shine before men that they see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.
That is what Jesus said.
That is my job description. Light shiner, salter of the earth, doer good deeds, give a cup of cold water in His name, burier of the dead, etc.
The Catechism says:
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
Maybe if we go out of our way to show respect, compassion and sensitivity, when that gay person has questions or when they are at a really dark place, them may remember “St Thus and Such had a group at the Pride fest. They took time just to give away cold water. Maybe they care? I ought to call that place and talk to someone.”
What if my response to the gay person walking down the street that day is the only exposure to Christianity that person has experienced since their family disowned them for being gay? That is what I ask myself.
That is what Jesus said.
That is my job description. Light shiner, salter of the earth, doer good deeds, give a cup of cold water in His name, burier of the dead, etc.
The Catechism says:
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
Maybe if we go out of our way to show respect, compassion and sensitivity, when that gay person has questions or when they are at a really dark place, them may remember “St Thus and Such had a group at the Pride fest. They took time just to give away cold water. Maybe they care? I ought to call that place and talk to someone.”
What if my response to the gay person walking down the street that day is the only exposure to Christianity that person has experienced since their family disowned them for being gay? That is what I ask myself.
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TheLittleLady
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Dignity is a group that has had some questionable statements/actions.
Courage, on the other hand, who brought us “Desire of the Everlasting Hills”, is a group that is faithful to all of the Church teachings:
Courage, on the other hand, who brought us “Desire of the Everlasting Hills”, is a group that is faithful to all of the Church teachings:
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MagdalenaRita
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While these things are all good and true, and should be done by adult organizations only, it is different than supporting, participating or attending out of curiosity. Something many youth are doing and are being led astray into danger.Let your light so shine before men that they see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.
That is what Jesus said.
That is my job description. Light shiner, salter of the earth, doer good deeds, give a cup of cold water in His name, burier of the dead, etc.
The Catechism says:
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
Maybe if we go out of our way to show respect, compassion and sensitivity, when that gay person has questions or when they are at a really dark place, them may remember “St Thus and Such had a group at the Pride fest. They took time just to give away cold water. Maybe they care? I ought to call that place and talk to someone.”
Some other good things we could be doing are rosary walks, fasting, acts of penance, adoration and having Masses said for their conversion to God’s love and truth and that the Holy Spirit would give them the strength to follow the Church and to choose chastity.
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