Paul,
The LDS church never did and will never teach to commit adultery, and D&C 132 is talking about marriage, not adultery, or plural marriage.
but in the eyes of a catholic it appears that JS tells us that it’s okay to commit adultery by taking plural wives. thus from this perspective he appears to be making up scriptures that will justify his sins and teaching them to the people as doctrine. it is important to note that the original D&C condemned polygamy and claimed that LDS did not practice it. that wasn’t changed until well after they were openly practicing it.
Also, many popes and bishops may not have taught adultery, or murder, or pretty much any sin you can think of, but they practiced it.
which makes them sinners but since it wasn’t taught as doctrine the church remained correct even if some of it’s leaders weren’t.
Even if the accusations againt Joseph Smith were true, which they aren’t, it would have been nothing compared to the immorality of the early catholic church.
i would disagree here, even mormon historians have documented JS numerous affairs under the guise of plural marriage. he was every bit as bad as any I’ve heard of.
I’m not saying that’s what Catholicism teaches. Especially today they have got some things straightened out pretty well.
but you imply it and from the other side…it IS what mormonism teaches still tody even if the practice is suspended.
You are good people leading good lives. I’m just saying the foundation of the church was not built upon solid ground, and cannot be the true church of God.
do you not see the irony here? I could easily say the same to you. our foundation is Christ founding of our church and promising that eh gates of hell would not prevail against it and that he would be with us always. Notice how our doctrine has not changed for almost 2000 years. yours on the other hand changes as often as your scriptures do. that seems a bit unstable.
The apostasy of the church Christ set up did happen, and was prophesied to happen. read 2nd Thessalonians 2: 1-3 for one example.
ye do err in not knowing the scriptures. various apostasies have and still do occur but no complete global apostasy ever did. that would contradict jesus words int bible. besides we can see the evidence to the contrary. we can see from the didache and ecf writings how scripture was interpreted and how early christians lived and worshipped. we can see they were very catholic. the LDS church despite it’s claim to be a restoration is very different from the description in not only the Bible but even the BoM! we see in neither any evidence of uniquely mormon practices and teachings.
Did Constantine have the priesthood?
no he did not. that’s irrelevant.
Did the council of Nicea have the priesthood?
yes they did. in an unbroken line from Jesus.
No they did not. How could they have established Gods church without his power and authority?
yet this is your claim about JS. even though the last to hold priesthood authority according to LDS teaching were the 3 nephites and john the beloved, JS and oliver cowdery baptized themselves (why didn’t john do it since he had to come anyway?) and had angels give them the priesthood. so basically they proclaimed themselves first and second elder of the church and proceeded from there to create their own manmade religion.
How can you debate and argue over what Christ’s doctrine is?
yes you can. read the bible about the council of Jerusalem
. And come up with a church based on a unanimous vote?
yet that is how the LDS do it. you vote on scripture and prophets right on down to who’s going to be a deacon.
As I understand it that is how the nicene creed was brought about.
you might want to do a bit of research on this subject.
God gave Joseph Smith his authority to restore his church, Just as he called other prophets since the beginning of man on earth.
i don’t believe that and Hebrews 1 tells us the time for prophets is finished. in the past God spoke to us that way but now he speaks to us through the son. I think 2 peter 2 describes JS. even gordon hinkley played down the role of prophet claiming we needed to focus on the revelation already given. i would say that’s very true if we only consider the Bible as valid scripture.