Anti-Mornonism in the email from Catholic Answers!

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No, but they don’t turn around and attack the Catholic Church. I haven’t found one yet that does. If they did, I would equally disapprove of them.

zerinus
You are very sheltered. I know a number of Catholics turned LDS and they are vicious in their anti-Catholicism. They never let a chance go by to make some snide remark about “worshipping statues” or some such thing.

Paul
 
I saw no warning, just praying to get a witness to open the book.
I say again Whyme, you are a mormon troll and no Catholic. Your tactics are typical of mormon deception. Stop trying to deceive honest folk by claiming to be Catholic and declare your true allegiance to the mormon “church.”
 
I opened the book and got a strong witness that it was a bunch of hooey. :rolleyes: Of course, I was well-prepared first. :cool:
 
I opened the book and got a strong witness that it was a bunch of hooey. :rolleyes: Of course, I was well-prepared first. :cool:
I carried one around for years, read it, marked it up, never did anything for me.
 
The only message I got from it I can also get from the speeches of Tecumseh. Just like the Indians (and natural events) drove off the Vikings, so also will God and people working together deal with the LDS.

See the hand of the Son wiping the dew off of the grass.
 
I am just listening to the archived The Journey Home on EWTN. It seems that there were differences between between Luther and Calvin on who and what God is. Are they christians?

I know the mormons are. 🙂
well they’re both heretics. 😃 yes they are christians but their differences on this subject are extremely minor compared to the chasm between christian and LDS positions on this.
 
I saw no warning, just praying to get a witness to open the book.
well not everyone recognizes the warnings and many can be deceived. tell me this, if your spiritual witness is that the BoM is true then why aren’t you an active mormon? why would you be in a catholic church going to mass?

could you have misinterpreted your experience? I believe that whenever we reach out to God he reaches back. that doesn’t mean that he approves of what we are doing nor is it always a sign that we are asking about is true, etc. it just let’s us know he’s there and then if we build on that perhaps we can learn more.

Just ans aside…how come the BoM has folks praying directly to Jesus yet that never happens in LDS churches? (3 nephi 19)
 
I don’t understand WHYME. You are catholic but say you believe the book of mormon is true? You should not be catholic you should be LDS.
Paul,
The LDS church never did and will never teach to commit adultery, and D&C 132 is talking about marriage, not adultery, or plural marriage.
Also, many popes and bishops may not have taught adultery, or murder, or pretty much any sin you can think of, but they practiced it.
Even if the accusations againt Joseph Smith were true, which they aren’t, it would have been nothing compared to the immorality of the early catholic church.
I’m not saying that’s what Catholicism teaches. Especially today they have got some things straightened out pretty well. You are good people leading good lives. I’m just saying the foundation of the church was not built upon solid ground, and cannot be the true church of God.
The apostasy of the church Christ set up did happen, and was prophesied to happen. read 2nd Thessalonians 2: 1-3 for one example.
Did Constantine have the priesthood? Did the council of Nicea have the priesthood? No they did not. How could they have established Gods church without his power and authority?
How can you debate and argue over what Christ’s doctrine is? And come up with a church based on unanimous vote? As I understand it that is how the nicene creed was brought about.
God gave Joseph Smith his authority to restore his church, Just as he called other prophets since the beginning of man on earth.
 
You are very sheltered. I know a number of Catholics turned LDS and they are vicious in their anti-Catholicism. They never let a chance go by to make some snide remark about “worshipping statues” or some such thing.

Paul
They must be a rare breed then, because I haven’t come across any.

zerinus
 
Paul,
The LDS church never did and will never teach to commit adultery, and D&C 132 is talking about marriage, not adultery, or plural marriage.
but in the eyes of a catholic it appears that JS tells us that it’s okay to commit adultery by taking plural wives. thus from this perspective he appears to be making up scriptures that will justify his sins and teaching them to the people as doctrine. it is important to note that the original D&C condemned polygamy and claimed that LDS did not practice it. that wasn’t changed until well after they were openly practicing it.
Also, many popes and bishops may not have taught adultery, or murder, or pretty much any sin you can think of, but they practiced it.
which makes them sinners but since it wasn’t taught as doctrine the church remained correct even if some of it’s leaders weren’t.
Even if the accusations againt Joseph Smith were true, which they aren’t, it would have been nothing compared to the immorality of the early catholic church.
i would disagree here, even mormon historians have documented JS numerous affairs under the guise of plural marriage. he was every bit as bad as any I’ve heard of.
I’m not saying that’s what Catholicism teaches. Especially today they have got some things straightened out pretty well.
but you imply it and from the other side…it IS what mormonism teaches still tody even if the practice is suspended.
You are good people leading good lives. I’m just saying the foundation of the church was not built upon solid ground, and cannot be the true church of God.
do you not see the irony here? I could easily say the same to you. our foundation is Christ founding of our church and promising that eh gates of hell would not prevail against it and that he would be with us always. Notice how our doctrine has not changed for almost 2000 years. yours on the other hand changes as often as your scriptures do. that seems a bit unstable.
The apostasy of the church Christ set up did happen, and was prophesied to happen. read 2nd Thessalonians 2: 1-3 for one example.
ye do err in not knowing the scriptures. various apostasies have and still do occur but no complete global apostasy ever did. that would contradict jesus words int bible. besides we can see the evidence to the contrary. we can see from the didache and ecf writings how scripture was interpreted and how early christians lived and worshipped. we can see they were very catholic. the LDS church despite it’s claim to be a restoration is very different from the description in not only the Bible but even the BoM! we see in neither any evidence of uniquely mormon practices and teachings.
Did Constantine have the priesthood?
no he did not. that’s irrelevant.
Did the council of Nicea have the priesthood?
yes they did. in an unbroken line from Jesus.
No they did not. How could they have established Gods church without his power and authority?
yet this is your claim about JS. even though the last to hold priesthood authority according to LDS teaching were the 3 nephites and john the beloved, JS and oliver cowdery baptized themselves (why didn’t john do it since he had to come anyway?) and had angels give them the priesthood. so basically they proclaimed themselves first and second elder of the church and proceeded from there to create their own manmade religion.
How can you debate and argue over what Christ’s doctrine is?
yes you can. read the bible about the council of Jerusalem
. And come up with a church based on a unanimous vote?
yet that is how the LDS do it. you vote on scripture and prophets right on down to who’s going to be a deacon.
As I understand it that is how the nicene creed was brought about.
you might want to do a bit of research on this subject.
God gave Joseph Smith his authority to restore his church, Just as he called other prophets since the beginning of man on earth.
i don’t believe that and Hebrews 1 tells us the time for prophets is finished. in the past God spoke to us that way but now he speaks to us through the son. I think 2 peter 2 describes JS. even gordon hinkley played down the role of prophet claiming we needed to focus on the revelation already given. i would say that’s very true if we only consider the Bible as valid scripture.
 
they have lived in a Mormon community or neighborhood for a long time etc., that has brought them into very close contact with Mormons and Mormonism. That means that the Holy Ghost has had plenty of opportunity to witness to them that it is true—and they have rejected that testimony. That places them in the same condition spiritually as that of an apostate. When the Holy Ghost witness to someone that the Church is true, and he/she rejects that testimony, that places them more or less in the same situation as someone who has been a member and them apostatized from it. That is the underlying reason for their hatred of Mormonism.

zerinus
Zerinus dude, I really wish you hadn’t posted that; don’t ya think that one’s maybe going just little beyond the pale? Most of the non-Mormons in here probably don’t understand what you just said, but I do, so I’ll translate it.

Seeing as I (and many other people who have lived and spent a lot of time around Mormons) have refused the attempts by Mormons to convert me, this puts me, to paraphrase you, in the same spiritual condition as an apostate Mormon. This means I am a “son of perdition” and am therefore banished off to “outer darkness;” i.e., Mormon hell. I “shall go to the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels….where the worm dieth not and fire is not quenched, etc., etc., etc.” (D&C 76:31-48)

In other words, if ya refuse to become a Mormon, ya go straight to HELL. That’s precisely what you said and, for the life of me, I sure can’t figure out how you reconcile that kind of stuff to your eleventh article of faith. I sincerely hope it’s your personal “testimony” and not a Mormon doctrine, but I’ve heard it before and now I’m kinda starting to wonder. Perhaps another Mormon can clarify that for us. In any case, I don’t think I’ll be losing too much sleep over it.
 
I also never received this particular email in question and I’ve been on the site for a few years now.
 
I believe whole heartedly that Christ’s church, and his disciples should not spend their time demeaning other churches. They should instead spend their time promoting their own beliefs. If every Catholic had true deep and abiding faith in their church they would not leave.

I understand fully that the missionaries teach “The Great Apostasy” but it is in no way directed at any one church. It is instead directed at Satan, that he was the cause of the apostasy. He persecuted the church through the Roman empire and martyred the apostles.

For those of you who would say that LDS “condemn” people who belong to other churches you are mistaken. We are taught that it is only people who knowingly go against a personal testimony from the Holy Ghost in following a different church, and do not repent that are lost.
 
I also never received this particular email in question and I’ve been on the site for a few years now.
I believe that those who signed up for a particular project site or program got the email. I am not sure about this, but it seems that way.
 
I believe whole heartedly that Christ’s church, and his disciples should not spend their time demeaning other churches. They should instead spend their time promoting their own beliefs. If every Catholic had true deep and abiding faith in their church they would not leave.

I understand fully that the missionaries teach “The Great Apostasy” but it is in no way directed at any one church. It is instead directed at Satan, that he was the cause of the apostasy. He persecuted the church through the Roman empire and martyred the apostles.

For those of you who would say that LDS “condemn” people who belong to other churches you are mistaken. We are taught that it is only people who knowingly go against a personal testimony from the Holy Ghost in following a different church, and do not repent that are lost.
Jesus Christ founded one True Church. That True Church IS the Catholic Church. No “Great Apostasy” ever occurred and all other religions are but a pale imitation of Christ’s Church. Mormonism is a 19th century fabrication from the imagination of Joseph Smith, who founded a non-Christian cult using dubious theology and plagiarized documents. It has no saving power other than that possibly granted by the grace and mercy of God. Full stop.
 
Just ans aside…how come the BoM has folks praying directly to Jesus yet that never happens in LDS churches? (3 nephi 19)
3 Nephi 19: 6: …they did cause that the multitude should kneel down upon the face of the earth, and should pray unto the Father in the name of Jesus.

This is just what mormons do. The pray to the Father in the name of Jesus.

I will get to your other points later. 🙂
 
I believe whole heartedly that Christ’s church, and his disciples should not spend their time demeaning other churches. They should instead spend their time promoting their own beliefs. If every Catholic had true deep and abiding faith in their church they would not leave.

I understand fully that the missionaries teach “The Great Apostasy” but it is in no way directed at any one church. It is instead directed at Satan, that he was the cause of the apostasy. He persecuted the church through the Roman empire and martyred the apostles.

For those of you who would say that LDS “condemn” people who belong to other churches you are mistaken. We are taught that it is only people who knowingly go against a personal testimony from the Holy Ghost in following a different church, and do not repent that are lost.
you say this but JS-H specifically calls out the presbyterians and methodists and labels the creeds (the profession of our faith) as abominations!!! your scriptures are very clear in condemning our church as apostate. it is because the martyrs kept the faith and preserved the church that the apostasy could not prevail just as Jesus promised.
 
3 Nephi 19: 6: …they did cause that the multitude should kneel down upon the face of the earth, and should pray unto the Father in the name of Jesus.

This is just what mormons do. The pray to the Father in the name of Jesus.

I will get to your other points later. 🙂
i have no problem with that. we often times do the same as per the catechism BUT you completely ignore the rest of that chapter where jesus blesses the people who prayed directly to HIM and even tells the Father about the great faith they show because they prayed to HIM! (verses 24-30)
 
Seeing as I (and many other people who have lived and spent a lot of time around Mormons) have refused the attempts by Mormons to convert me, this puts me, to paraphrase you, in the same spiritual condition as an apostate Mormon. This means I am a “son of perdition” and am therefore banished off to “outer darkness;” i.e., Mormon hell. I “shall go to the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels….where the worm dieth not and fire is not quenched, etc., etc., etc.” (D&C 76:31-48)

In other words, if ya refuse to become a Mormon, ya go straight to HELL. That’s precisely what you said and, for the life of me, I sure can’t figure out how you reconcile that kind of stuff to your eleventh article of faith. I sincerely hope it’s your personal “testimony” and not a Mormon doctrine, but I’ve heard it before and now I’m kinda starting to wonder. Perhaps another Mormon can clarify that for us. In any case, I don’t think I’ll be losing too much sleep over it.
Another Mormon did clarify that for us. I distinctly remember GBHinkley admitting that LDS people have a long-standing problem with getting along with their neighbors. :coffeeread:

Ya gotta be kidding. Really???:doh2:

I am returning to my own cultural tradition. 👍 I have most of the LDS participants here on ignore. Amazing how much less “anti-Mormon” I am now.
 
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