Any Black Lives Matter Catholics here?

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It isn’t white-centric.
It couldn’t possibly be because they also want to to destroy the “the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement,” and they “foster a queer‐affirming network.”

And it couldn’t possibly be because they were linked in people’s minds with “Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon” and the Dallas sniper shooting 5 police officers, which their condemnation of was not brought up much in the media.

And it couldn’t possibly be because of their statements which do not separate good cops from bad.

There are plenty of people who agree with what BLM says is its main aim, to change the justice system to be more fair, while not agreeing with other aspects of the group, real or widely perceived.
 
Because it has all the appearance of a heinous crime. Do you think he won’t? If so, why?
 
Because it has all the appearance of a heinous crime. Do you think he won’t? If so, why?
Because statistical data on police officers actually receiving prison time for such actions demonstrates it’s unlikely. Checking out qualified immunity and SCOTUS probably is also a worthy investiture of time.
 
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I think this is too cynical. He’ll go to prison and it will be for life. If nothing else, he’ll be killed in prison.
 
It’s highly unlikely that he’ll get a life sentence if convicted. The charge is third degree murder. The maximum sentence is 25 years, so unless they tack on more charges he isn’t going away for life.
 
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Police officers don’t face justice more often for a variety of reasons — from powerful police unions to the blue wall of silence to cowardly prosecutors to reluctant juries. But it is the Supreme Court that has enabled a culture of violence and abuse by eviscerating a vital civil rights law to provide police officers what, in practice, is nearly limitless immunity from prosecution for actions taken while on the job. The badge has become a get-out-of-jail-free card in far too many instances.

In 1967, the same year the police chief of Miami coined the phrase “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” to threaten civil rights demonstrators, the Supreme Court first articulated a notion of “qualified immunity.” In the case of police violence against a group of civil rights demonstrators in Mississippi, the court decided that police officers should not face legal liability for enforcing the law “in good faith and with probable cause.”

That’s a high standard to meet. But what makes these cases nearly impossible for plaintiffs to win is the court’s requirement that any violation of rights be “clearly established” — that is, another court must have previously encountered a case with the same context and facts, and found there that the officer was not immune. This is a judge-made rule; the civil rights law itself says nothing about a “clearly established” requirement. Yet in practice it has meant that police officers prevail virtually every time, because it’s very hard to find cases that are the same in all respects. It also creates a Catch-22 for plaintiffs, who are required to hunt down precedents in courts that have stopped generating those precedents, because the plaintiffs always lose. As one conservative judge put it in a U.S. district court in Texas, “Heads defendants win, tails plaintiffs lose.”
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In the five decades since the doctrine’s invention, qualified immunity has expanded in practice to excuse all manner of police misconduct, from assault to homicide. As the legal bar for victims to challenge police misconduct has been raised higher and higher by the Supreme Court, the lower courts have followed. A major investigation by Reuters earlier this year found that “since 2005, the courts have shown an increasing tendency to grant immunity in excessive force cases — rulings that the district courts below them must follow. The trend has accelerated in recent years.” What was intended to prevent frivolous lawsuits against agents of the government, the investigation concluded, “has become a highly effective shield in thousands of lawsuits seeking to hold cops accountable when they are accused of using excessive force.”
 
I have read the seminal case underlying the principle you’re talking about. It relates to civil liability, not criminal liability. Crimes are still crimes. The question in such cases is whether the state, or more often the municipality, is liable for actions of law enforcement officers who use force to ensure compliance. It does set a high bar for governmental liability. The problem in such cases, and the SC recognized it, is that people like police are charged with forcing compliance with lawful orders if the person in question will not cooperate. So the question is not whether force can be used. That’s inherent to the police function. The question is how much force and what kind, given that some people have underlying conditions that make them more vulnerable than others.

I’m not saying that excuses criminality in cases like Floyd’s. It doesn’t.
 
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‘Official apartheid system’ is just an illustration of how bad it could be. That’s worse than street crime, believe me.
That would be another debate. However, words should not be used carelessly. There is nothing “official”. There is no apartheid. We do not even have the doctrine of separate but equal. The comparison was too far to be followed, in my opinion.
The trucker was arrested because that section of the freeway was closed due to protesters. Thank God no one was killed or seriously injured.
I would hope we could all agree that his frustration at the road closures does not justify his violent means of protest.
No wonder there’s no Black folks here.
And you base this on text you read? Really? How is that not racist?
How can Catholics help lead the fight against racism?
Part of the problem of the first post, which I did address above, is the article is not about the BLM movement, but what the title actually said. The BLM was only one small paragraph in the larger article. I addressed the article. As to the BLM, I simply find it too diverse to make any statement about it.
 
Referring again to the Leija case, his mother filed a civil suit against the officers and the county. The Tenth Circuit Court of appeals was instructed by the SC to reverse its judgment against the officers and the county. So, the case in question is really the return case to the Tenth Circuit. Here it is. It’s a little confusing because another case involving a person having the same last name is in the first part of the opinion. One needs to read down a bit to see what the actual facts were.

 
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ALL lives matter
All viruses matter but at the moment we all recognize the importance of working against the problems associated with COVID-19.

“All lives matter” sounds like downplaying the racial injustice that exist in the US.
 
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“All lives matter” sounds like downplaying the racial injustice that exist in the US.
Thank you! It’s like responding to a slogan like "Cancer kills" with "Many diseases kill." or something like that. If it appears that a different group of Americans is the target of the devaluation of their human worth/life in a manner that jumps out, say Native Americans/Latinos/Whites, and someone comes up with "Value Native American lives," for example, I see no reason why that should bother anyone. If it does and you feel the need to answer back with “All lives matter,” then you’re disputing the premise that the group in question is being particularly targeted. In that case, better to just make that case directly than quip back "All lives matter" as if "Black/Brown/Whatever lives matter" somehow denies that.
 
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Who said there was a problem?
Well . . .
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All lives matter, from womb to the tomb I would think would be the Catholic view.
So what’s the problem with Black lives matter?
Your post here implies that Black lives matter would “not be the Catholic position,” given the subject of the thread that you were responding to and the questions it asks about Black lives matter. 🙂
 
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“All lives matter” sounds like downplaying the racial injustice that exist in the US.
Thank you! It’s like responding to a slogan like "Cancer kills" with "Many diseases kill." or something like that. If it appears that a different group of Americans is the target of the devaluation of their human worth/life in a manner that jumps out, say Native Americans/Latinos/Whites, and someone comes up with "Value Native American lives," for example, I see no reason why that should bother anyone. If it does and you feel the need to answer back with “All lives matter,” then you’re disputing the premise that the group in question is being particularly targeted. In that case, better to just make that case directly than quip back "All lives matter" as if "Black/Brown/Whatever lives matter" somehow denies that.
I’m not disputing anything. I’m only saying that ALL people should be valued and that they matter. I’ve never denied that Blacks are being targeted. Read some of my other posts. I’m saying that ALL lives SHOULD matter, and that all people are human beings, and in God’s eyes, that’s what ultimately matters.

The fact that individual races within our collective human race are being targeted for sub-human treatment is a failure of our society and culture, not to mention our legal system, to acknowledge the truth that ALL peoples have a fundamental right to be treated fairly and respectfully by society in general, by law enforcement and the courts, and to have equal justice under the law.

My statement doesn’t minimize any of this. It emphasizes it. But, if you wish to misinterpret my intent, that’s your problem, not mine.
 
If all lives truely mattered, which I agree that all should, then where was the regard for Mr. Floyd’s life. I watch a video that was on the news last night, I believe was in MN as well, of an officer with his knee on the neck of a white protestor. In this case, the guy was not handcuffed as Mr Floyd was, but another officer was trying to get him handcuffed. Again the bystanders were pleading for officer to take his knee off of the guys neck. Hearing the bystanders pleads, the other officer pushed the officer’s knee from the guys neck. Why couldn’t any one of the 3 officers present do the same thing. Why is there more talk and/or concern over the protesting, rioting, and looting? I 100% disagree with the rioting and looting. But what on earth is wrong with protesting against the injustices within the black community.
 
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No one is claiming the protests are illegal or immoral, but the rioting and looting is, i.e., the utter chaos and destruction we are seeing is not a legitimate Catholic response.

This is more likely the work of ANTIFA or a small sub group of those rioting, not of course everyone protesting…

And it is the rioters and looters who are taking attention away from Floyd by using this platform as an opportunity to push their interests.
 
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I’ve seen several videos now of white men who are breaking storefront windows and the like while black protesters are begging – literally begging – them to stop. It seems like there are a variety of instigators, some of whom may be infiltrators, acting out some “Purge” fantasy, or trying to discredit the protests. That they don’t care how all of this is reflecting on the motives of actual peaceful protesters is evil.
 
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