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buffalo
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Prove language evolved.
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buffalo
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What a foolish statement.
The device you are posting on is not designed? Oh my?
Just about everything I am looking at right now is designed.
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buffalo
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It was meaningful enough for Dawkins to comment.
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buffalo
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It has functional specified complex information.
At a more basic level, it has purpose/s.
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edwest211
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As a student of industrial design, you don’t put a car in front of someone and tell them it was not designed. I watched a falcon thread the needle through a series of bushes at relatively high speed. He was designed.
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mVitus
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Um… English? It hasn’t always been around and it’s not like a guy came to his buddies and went, “Dudes, I just invented a new language. Check it out. And let’s all use it.”
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edwest211
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I think of all of the Europeans who came to America and later realized, we’re all speaking English.
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Hugh_Farey
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Certainly not, although anybody with any familiarity with etymology will find it self-evident. A glance at the ‘genetic’ similarity of the European languages and their historic literature will reveal structures uncannily similar to those of biological evolution, including analogies with natural selection, speciation and even horizontal gene transfer.
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Hugh_Farey
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Oops. My bad. I thought you were referring to living things. Yes, I agree that my computer was designed.
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Hugh_Farey
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No. Dawkins couldn’t have commented on this because it is, quite literally, lacking in meaning. The first six words make sense, but the rest is ungrammatical and incoherent non-sense.
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Hugh_Farey
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Interesting idea. My computer has no purpose. It doesn’t know it exists let alone make plans for the future. It is no more purposeful than a rock. What I think you mean is that it is for a purpose. By confusing the two, I think you muddle the concept of intelligent design. Consider a worm and a waterfall. Do either of them have a purpose? An objective? A plan for the future? I would say not. Are either of them for a purpose? To express the creative imagination of God? To contribute to the ongoing processes of the earth?
If design implies purpose, then in what way are a worm and a waterfall different?
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edwest211
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“Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.” {Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, 1996, p. 1}
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Richca
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In the address in question which Pope Francis gave to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 2014, he says “When we read the account of Creation in Genesis we risk imagining that God was a magician, complete with an all powerful magic wand.”
I think the use of the words ‘magician’ and ‘magic wand’ he uses here are simply inappropriate or unbecoming. Firstly, by someone who may be less well informed this sentence could be interpreted heretically in that the very notion of creation according to the catholic faith does not in fact precisely mean the creation or production of creatures out of nothing by God.
Secondly, it could be interpreted or used derogatively or mockingly more or less against God the Creator. And I have actually had that impression from various posts from various people on CAF quoting Pope Francis.
Thirdly, the sentence here from Pope Francis gives the impression that the inspired sacred writers of the Bible were mere simpletons more or less and by extension God himself in a sense, the principle author of the Bible. Ironically, we believe according to the catholic faith that God is, indeed, supremely one and supremely simple. Also, this impression of ‘simpleton’ would involve the entire catholic faithful, the hierarchy, the fathers, doctors, saints of the church and laity including other christian denominations such as the protestants and orthodox until very recent times most notably since after the publication of Humani Generis by Pope Pius XII in 1950.
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Dan123
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were the bushes designed? Was their purpose to give the falcon something to fly through?
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buffalo
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Right, it is story telling.
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edwest211
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Not only are all living things designed but they are bound together with animals, insects and lower life forms. This highly complex interaction is not accidental but designed.
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Dan123
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Ah but not non living things? But the car is designed so that can’t be it.
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edwest211
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Non-living things are also part of a complex interplay of forces. A long mountain range can affect the weather, man uses some nonliving things to make steel, and he uses other metals, and other materials to make concrete. There is inorganic chemistry. The list goes on. My reading of the history of science shows that man can use nonliving things in a variety of ways.
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Dan123
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Is there anything not designed to contrast designed things against?
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Richca
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Fourthly, we believe the entire angelic world and each angel in particular were all created simultaneously and instantaneously out of nothing by God in the beginning of time. The Vatican Council I quotes the Lateran Council IV (1215):catholic1seeks:
In the address in question which Pope Francis gave to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 2014, he says “When we read the account of Creation in Genesis we risk imagining that God was a magician, complete with an all powerful magic wand.”
I think the use of the words ‘magician’ and ‘magic wand’ he uses here are simply inappropriate or unbecoming. Firstly, by someone who may be less well informed this sentence could be interpreted heretically in that the very notion of creation according to the catholic faith does not in fact precisely mean the creation or production of creatures out of nothing by God.
Secondly, it could be interpreted or used derogatively or mockingly more or less against God the Creator. And I have actually had that impression from various posts from various people on CAF quoting Pope Francis.
Thirdly, the sentence here from Pope Francis gives the impression that the inspired sacred writers of the Bible were mere simpletons more or less and by extension God himself in a sense, the principle author of the Bible. Ironically, we believe according to the catholic faith that God is, indeed, supremely one and supremely simple. Also, this impression of ‘simpleton’ would involve the entire catholic faithful, the hierarchy, the fathers, doctors, saints of the church and laity including other christian denominations such as the protestants and orthodox until very recent times most notably since after the publication of Humani Generis by Pope Pius XII in 1950.
God “…who by his own omnipotent power at once from the beginning of time created each creature from nothing, spiritual, and corporeal, namely, angelic and mundane, and finally the human, constituted as it were, alike of the spirit and the body.”
The scripture reads “Thousands upon thousands ministered to Him, and ten thousand times a hundred thousand stood before Him” (Daniel 7:10). Upon quoting this passage of scripture and addressing the question whether the angels exist in any great number, St Thomas Aquinas states “Hence it must be said that the angels, even inasmuch they are immaterial substances, exist in exceeding great number, far beyond all material multitude. This is what Dionysius says: There are many blessed armies of the heavenly intelligences, surpassing the weak and limited reckoning of our material numbers” (ST, Pt. I, Q. 50, art.3).
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