Archbishop: Obama Needs To Stop 'Intruding Into Internal Life Of Church'

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Are people voting for big government and then complaining when they get one?

I didn’t vote for big government. I can’t speak for those who do. Though, of course, people vote Democrat for a lot of reasons, without the intent of violation of rights.

 

[LisaA]

I’ve been reading the mandate so far at this site: ofr.gov/OFRUpload/OFRData/2012-03547_PI.pdf

A chilling line it it (or at least, chilling to me):

They are talking about preventative care in general, but adding contraception/sterilization/abortion means that they are referring to those things as well. It sounds like they are saying, in other words, that through this act the government is actively promoting contraception and the rest. It is good for the government to mandate this because then women are more likely to contracept/sterilize/abort.

It’s not that I didn’t know that, I just didn’t expect to see it in writing in their words.

Contraception is a need? I guess that would also include sterilization and abortion as a need.

Which is probably why Obama said that 99% of women use birth control. Cost is such a barrier, otherwise it would be 100%, and the government has a compelling interest to ensure it’s 100%, right?

There is a bit in there as well about how use of contraception is an issue tied into workplace equality.

I still struggle with how this has become an issue. With Obamacare, are there are still co-pays for medication in general? My mother-in-law, for example, takes meds for her kidneys and her heart, medication that helps to keep her alive. She will still pay a co-pay…but we have to provide contraception for “free” if I understand this correctly.

And this PROVES it’s nothing more than pandering to an interest group, the radical feminists and the pro abortion lobby with perhaps a bit of favor to Big Pharma. Contraception is NOT a lifesaving or necessary health product. As to abortion being ‘lifesaving’ or ‘necessary’ that fails on its own test since clearly it kills the unborn child.

Why is THIS free? To suck up to Boxer, Pelosi, Murray and the PP/NARAL crowd. It was apparently a carve out pushed by Boxer during the Obamacare legislation.

BTW I wonder if there is also an ‘equal protection’ violation? After all only women of child bearing age and sexually active need avail themselves. Why is this group getting a government dictated benefit in contrast to the many more essential services that families struggle to pay for out of pocket. In my own circle my stepson is a Type I diabetic. He must have insulin or he will die. Yet free insulin is not being offered under Obamacare is it? I am sure there are millions of such cases with lifesaving medications being paid for out of pocket while a drug of choice is covered by our tax dollars.

Lisa

 

[_Abyssinia]

Breaking: 50 Members of Congress to hold press conference on legislation to stop Obama mandate

lifesitenews.com/blog/breaking-50-members-of-congress-to-hold-press-conference-on-legislation-to
Setting the Record Straight on the Blunt Amendment

lifenews.com/2012/02/15/setting-the-record-straight-on-the-blunt-amendment/
Philadelphia archbishop: Obama mandate is ‘insulting,’ Catholics should be ‘angry’

lifesitenews.com/news/philadelphia-archbishop-obama-mandate-is-insulting-catholics-should-be-angr
Four groups file amicus brief against Obamacare

Read more: dailycaller.com/2012/02/14/four-groups-file-amicus-brief-against-obamacare/#ixzz1mTTZSjsv
Explaining Conflicting Polling Data on Obama’s Birth Control Mandate

townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/02/15/explaining_conflicting_polling_on_obamas_birth_control_mandate

 

[_Abyssinia]

Call these Senators right now!

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is going to allow a vote!

In the next few hours, the Senate is expected to vote on the Respect for the Rights of Conscience Act or S. 1467.

This bill would stop the HHS attack on our freedom.

We need you to call now and tell the following Senators to vote YES on S. 1467. If you live in one of the states that these Senators represent, it is especially important that you call.

Leaning Yes:
*Bob Casey, D-PA – (202) 224-6324
*Olympia Snowe, R-ME - (202) 224-5344

On the fence:
Mary Landrieu, D-LA - (202) 224-5824
Mark Pryor, D-AR – (202) 224-2353

Leaning No:
*Claire McCaskill, D-MO – (202) 224-6154 — Office confirmed she’s voting NO.
*Bill Nelson, D-FL – (202) 224-5274
*Jon Tester, D-MT – (202) 224-2644

* Denotes a Senator seeking re-election this year.

Senator Roy Blunt’s conscience bill enjoys bi-partisan support and has been endorsed by our Catholic bishops. This bill would provide legal protection for all Catholic hospitals, charities and schools so they would NOT have to provide medicines or procedures that violate their moral and ethical beliefs.

This legislation would also protect small business owners who have the same moral objections to certain medical drugs and procedures.

Please take a minute right now and call one or more of these Senators.

Tell them that millions of Catholics expect them to stand up for our freedom.

This could be the vote that decides whether they will be re-elected in November.

These Senators need to hear from the Catholic vote!

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=26893

 

[Joe_5859]

Do not be distracted by such wishful thinking. If you think Obama is sacrificing pieces in a game of chess, look for a loaded gun under the table.

While I applaud the bishops strong stand on this issue I have yet to hear any strategy from them other than pleadings to the Dear Leader to change his edict. In other words, I see little evidence of strategic thinking from the bishops. (Yes, maybe they are strategizing in secret but clearly they were caught off-guard by this.) My impression is that the bishops are still adjusting to the new reality of being outlaws.

The bishops have been looking at this issue for far longer than most of us have been aware of it.

The USCCB website is urging us to get involved and contact our representatives. The bishops need us to do our part. The Administration has already demonstrated they do not care at all what the bishops by themselves think or say.

But you can bet they are working out all the available options. There’s no need for them to go off half-cocked, which could do more harm than good.

Keeping the issue in front of people is going to be key, too, which we can certainly help out with by spreading the word. Obama wants people to think that a compromise has been reached and the controversy is over.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Steven Ertelt: **For the time being, Harry Reid has blocked consideration of the Blunt amendment after initially saying he would allow it.
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[iloveangels]

Steven Ertelt: **For the time being, Harry Reid has blocked consideration of the Blunt amendment after initially saying he would allow it.
**

Please write or call your senators and representatives about this issue

There are 2 bills - one in the senate and one in the house of representatives

They are House Resolution 1179 & Senate Bill 1467

[And don’t vote for the political party that’s causing all this trouble next time. Let this be a lesson to you. They hate you. How much more proof do you need?]

 

[_Abyssinia]

Barbara Boxer: Right to Insurance Trumps Religious Freedom

lifenews.com/2012/02/15/barbara-boxer-right-to-insurance-trumps-religious-freedom/
The Larger Implications of the HHS Mandates

Some liberal defenders of the new and controversial HHS mandates for contraception and sterilization coverage are arguing that the issue is really about contraception itself. Those objecting to the mandates, they are suggesting, are really concerned with opening up a war on contraception, are seeking to prevent Americans from having access to contraception. I think this is rather transparently self-serving. Nobody of significance in American politics has argued for, is arguing for now, or will be arguing for a ban on contraception. The issue is rather as the Bishops and other complaining Catholics have presented it: they don’t want to be made to offer contraceptive coverage because it is contrary to their own understanding of what is morally right. One can hold that position without going further and desiring to force others to live according to one’s own standards.

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=2689
Why Liberal Catholics Cannot Excuse Obama’s Illegal Mandate, or Force People to Adopt Sr. Keehan’s Conscience

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=26879
Members of Congress Demand Bill to Stop Obama’s Mandate

lifenews.com/2012/02/15/members-of-congress-demand-bill-to-stop-obamas-mandate/

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

The bishops have been looking at this issue for far longer than most of us have been aware of it.

If by “this issue” you mean contraception, abortion, etc., I would agree. And if you mean health care as a human right, I would agree also.

But if by “this issue” you mean contraception and abortion insurance as a human right, I am very skeptical. I really don’t think they expected to be on the receiving end of this.

I think they were very much caught off-guard, though they should not have been.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Dem Sen. on Obama’s Free Contraceptives Policy: Insurers Won’t Be 'Giving It Away For Free’

cnsnews.com/news/article/dem-sen-obamas-free-contraceptives-policy-insurers-wont-be-giving-it-away-free
CBS Promotes Biased Poll on Obama Anti-Conscience Mandate

lifenews.com/2012/02/15/cbs-promotes-biased-poll-on-obama-anti-conscience-mandate/
Interview: The legal case against the contraceptives mandate

washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/interview-the-legal-case-against-the-contraceptives-mandate/2012/02/15/gIQAcjIHGR_blog.html
Catholic Bishops Support Measure to Stop Obama Mandate

lifenews.com/2012/02/15/catholic-bishops-support-measure-to-stop-obama-mandate/​

From Rome, religious liberty/HHS threat

212.77.9.15/audiomp3/00301840.MP3

 

[_Abyssinia]

Gallup Polling Shows Catholics Not Fleeing Obama

Gallup polling released yesterday indicates approval of President Obama among Catholics has changed little since controversy erupted over his decision to mandate employers pay for contraception, sterilization, and abortifacients. Gallup’s running weekly average shows 46% of Catholics approve of Obama’s job performance this week, down just 3 points from last week’s 49%. That difference is within the sampling margin of error.

http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/li18wf_hfkgf3dmcdo-bza.gif

Polling also indicates little difference in Obama’s approval amongst Catholics who attend Mass regularly and those who don’t.

http://www.catholicvote.org/discuss/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/wucgxpj8106kyjmj9nkb9q.gif

Gallup’s analysis:

*It appears the controversy over religious group employer health plans and contraception has not had a significantly negative effect on how rank-and-file Catholics view the president.

One key will be whether Catholic approval of Obama stays a bit lower than it has been in the coming days or begins to edge back closer to 50%, where it had been earlier this year. This will give an indication of whether the controversy has passed and is forgotten, or remains an issue, resulting in a meaningful — but small — erosion in his support among Catholics.*

Their conclusion echoes my own sense that the mandate isn’t likely to result in an exodus of Catholics from Obama, and that what the average Catholic perceives to be more pressing issues (such as the economy, jobs, etc.) will hold greater sway.

*[A]s voters make up their minds about whether Obama deserves a second term in office, it is likely that [economic progress will weigh more heavily in their minds](http://www.gallup.com/poll/152570/Satisfaction.aspx)*

than policy disputes they may have with the president on less top-of-mind issues.

Of course, November is at once closer than we think and far away. Much will depend on how well Obama’s ultimate opponent can galvanize Catholic support, how Obama responds to continued flack over the mandate, and what other issues dominate voters’ attention.

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=26902

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

Gallup Polling Shows Catholics Not Fleeing Obama

Thanks for posting this. It’s crucial for those Catholics who think this is important to recognize how many Catholics do not (yet) share their concern.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Thanks for posting this. It’s crucial for those Catholics who think this is important to recognize how many Catholics do not (yet) share their concern.

It is ridiculous.

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

It is ridiclous.

It is the reality that we face. Be courageous and take up your cross with faith and hope.

We have a job to do. This is just evidence of the job ahead.

 

[_Abyssinia]

It is the reality that we face. Be courageous and take up your cross with faith and hope.

We have a job to do. This is just evidence of the job ahead.

Of course, but it is disheartening, especially the rating of Obama among weekly mass going Catholics.

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

Of course, but it is disheartening, especially the rating of Obama among weekly mass going Catholics.

It is designed to be disheartening. Obama and his allies will be throwing everything they have at disheartening those who stand with the bishops. They want you to despair and give up.

 

[_Abyssinia]

The Audacity of Power: President Obama Vs. The Catholic Church

forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/02/13/the-audacity-of-power-president-obama-vs-the-catholic-church/
The fight over Obama’s mandate is the fight of a lifetime for religious freedom

lifesitenews.com/news/the-fight-over-obamas-mandate-is-the-fight-of-a-lifetime-for-religious-free
Pro-Life Groups to Hold Nationwide Rally Against Obama Mandate

lifenews.com/2012/02/15/pro-life-groups-to-hold-nationwide-rally-against-obama-mandate/

 

[_Abyssinia]

It is designed to be disheartening. Obama and his allies will be throwing everything they have at disheartening those who stand with the bishops. They want you to despair and give up.

You are wise.

 

[Bubba_Switzler]

You are wise.

I wish. I’m just really pd off and seeing statistics like that just ps me off even more.

I really appreciate all the work you are doing to keep us up to date on what’s being written on this.

 

[Ridgerunner]

“Individuals are more likely to use preventive services if they do not have to satisfy cost sharing requirements (such as a copayment, coinsurance, or a deductible).”

No doubt the same rationale will be used when abortion coverage without co-pay is mandated.

And, perhaps in time, “No, you don’t qualify for Avastin because you’re too old under the guidelines for an expense of that magnitude. Not cost-effective. But these ‘go to sleep forever’ pills are free.”

And, of course, there will be those who will say “ridiculous” “paranoid” and so on. But they do it in Europe, and this administration is absolutely in love with killing, and all the apologists for Obama said he would never do what he’s doing now. I expect it, sometime in Obama’s second term.