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phil19034
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Fame may or may not be part of it. But surely, he no longer feels the need to use a filter.
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phil19034
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HOWEVER, St. John Paul II ALWAYS emphasized peaceful and PRAYERFUL protest. That’s what happened in Poland.
Well, if this is a new sign that he will start speaking out about Catholic groups who host heretical Catholics, then that would be great. If he starts to speak out about Joe Biden’s & Nancy Pelosi’s faults then I will celebrate what he did.
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Buks
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Archbishop Gregory used poor judgement in a public comment. That should be addressed. Yet not in a public comment by another church official. (Although there’s doubt as to whether Archbishop Vigano actually commented directly about Gregory.)
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yankeesouth
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DC bishop under fire for ‘partisan attack’ of Trump’s visit to Catholic shrine
DC bishop under fire for ‘partisan attack’ of Trump’s visit to Catholic shrine
Washington, D.C. Archbishop Wilton D. Gregory is facing backlash from Catholics for his scathing condemnation of President Trump's visit to the Saint John Paul II National Shrine, coinciding with an international religious liberty executive order Tuesday.
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Dovekin
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Why would you post something so full of anticatholic sentiments? Its only purpose seems to be to discredit Archbishop Gregory and for partisan political purposes!
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Dovekin
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It was a peaceful protest in DC Monday afternoon that Trump chose to interrupt with tear gas and rubber bullets. His behavior is not that different from that of the Polish government in opposition to Solidarity protests. As Archbishop, Gregory was in a position to oppose this attempt to misrepresent the Church. He should be supported in this effort.
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phil19034
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It’s already been discussed multiple times… The order to clear the park was given Monday morning.phil19034:
It was a peaceful protest in DC Monday afternoon that Trump chose to interrupt with tear gas and rubber bullets. His behavior is not that different from that of the Polish government in opposition to Solidarity protests. As Archbishop, Gregory was in a position to oppose this attempt to misrepresent the Church. He should be supported in this effort.
Trump said on Tuesday morning that he had no idea that the park wasn’t cleared well before he went to the Church. He said he had no idea that the noise he could hear was the police clearing the park simply so he could walk to the Church.
Someone dropped the ball in the Executive Department - either on purpose or by incompetence.
The park was supposed to be cleared Monday morning because of the fire - but someone never executed the order until approx 6PM
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Vigano is not helping.
All of a sudden Vigano wants to speak out on episcopal corruption? To be sure, there is a lot of that in the Church world-wide and in the US. To be sure any corruption in the Church needs to be rooted out.
Consider: When he was Nuncio, he was the most powerful church official in the United States. He held great sway over everything episcopal. He held great sway over who is made a bishop, where bishops are assigned, that includes cardinals, episcopal transfers etc. To be sure, the Nuncio is not the sole player in these things, but he is one of the major power brokers when it comes to these things.
Thus, if he had such an issue with Gregory, and any other corruption in the Church, why didn’t he do something about it when he had the power to do it? As Nuncio he was perfectly placed to take on any corruption in the Church in America. He failed to act. Thus, from my standpoint, Vigano is just as guilty as the people he accuses. The fact that he is a bishop who defends and teaches the Catholic Faith, unlike many of the other bishops is good; that, however does not absolve him of the responsibilities he had when he was Nuncio to deal with the corruption that he saw.
Gregory talks tough on Trump. Let’s see him confront Pelosi or Biden with that same uncompromising tone for their support of abortion. He takes the tone he took with Trump because he can get away with that. He would not get away with that tone when it comes to Biden or Pelosi–so—he won’t strike such a tone with them.
All of a sudden Vigano wants to speak out on episcopal corruption? To be sure, there is a lot of that in the Church world-wide and in the US. To be sure any corruption in the Church needs to be rooted out.
Consider: When he was Nuncio, he was the most powerful church official in the United States. He held great sway over everything episcopal. He held great sway over who is made a bishop, where bishops are assigned, that includes cardinals, episcopal transfers etc. To be sure, the Nuncio is not the sole player in these things, but he is one of the major power brokers when it comes to these things.
Thus, if he had such an issue with Gregory, and any other corruption in the Church, why didn’t he do something about it when he had the power to do it? As Nuncio he was perfectly placed to take on any corruption in the Church in America. He failed to act. Thus, from my standpoint, Vigano is just as guilty as the people he accuses. The fact that he is a bishop who defends and teaches the Catholic Faith, unlike many of the other bishops is good; that, however does not absolve him of the responsibilities he had when he was Nuncio to deal with the corruption that he saw.
Gregory talks tough on Trump. Let’s see him confront Pelosi or Biden with that same uncompromising tone for their support of abortion. He takes the tone he took with Trump because he can get away with that. He would not get away with that tone when it comes to Biden or Pelosi–so—he won’t strike such a tone with them.
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So we are agreed? Trump used dictatorial practices to oppose peaceful protesters just like the Polish gov did against Solidarity?
I do not really see what difference it makes if he planned To prevent peaceful assembly in the morning or just in the evening. These were tactics used in Poland as well, with tear gas etc as a backup.
What does matter is the speech Trump gave about the need to dominate the protesters. That is what makes him most like the communist Polish government. Going from that speech to the shrine of St John Paul II was offensive. Trump can be excused for not knowing about St John Paul; he just does not understand things like that. But it was right for Gregory to defend the memory of the Pope.
I do not really see what difference it makes if he planned To prevent peaceful assembly in the morning or just in the evening. These were tactics used in Poland as well, with tear gas etc as a backup.
What does matter is the speech Trump gave about the need to dominate the protesters. That is what makes him most like the communist Polish government. Going from that speech to the shrine of St John Paul II was offensive. Trump can be excused for not knowing about St John Paul; he just does not understand things like that. But it was right for Gregory to defend the memory of the Pope.
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whatistrue
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I’ll just leave that right where it is…
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1Lord1Faith
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This is ridiculous.
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stpurl
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The most powerful church official in the US?
Name the current apostolic nuncio to the US (who has held the position since 2016). Tell us how he has swayed named bishops and assignments.
Name the current apostolic nuncio to the US (who has held the position since 2016). Tell us how he has swayed named bishops and assignments.
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Why would he not say the same thing? Garbage journalism is garbage journalism.
I am happy to criticize all of it equally. I couldn’t care less what side of the coin it’s on.
And I have never heard anyone on this forum applaud the National Catholic Distorter.
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EXdrinker
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You keep saying this over and over. Two things, they are catholic and media. Do you claim relevant radio is not catholic media as well? Or are they catholic media in one diocese but not another because one bishop says they cannot operate in his diocese?
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EXdrinker
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Without these ministries exposing abuse and cover up a fair amount of what we know of abuse scandals would go uncovered and continue. They do a vital service regardless of how one feels about them.
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commenter
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There are specific criteria established in Canon Law, echoing Pascendi, and V2. If you say this section of Canon Law no longer applies, then all the rest can be disregarded too.commenter:
You keep saying this over and over. Two things, they are catholic and media.
Canon law prevents a group of people from credibly starting their own “Catholic parish” on their own.
(St Andrew Greeley).
Canon law reminds people that National Catholic Reporter is not Catholic media.
Whether CM, LSN, Focus on the Family, or Fox News for that matter are good or bad can be argued. But none are Catholic media according to Canon Law. Genuine Traditional Catholics support Canon Law.
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Dolphin
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People magazine does a vital service exposing which celebrities had affairs. It’s all rumor mill garbage
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TheLittleLady
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There is a history of his public condemnations of Pope Francis and others. Google “Vigano condemns” and you will find articles from his 2018 condemnation of the Holy Father.
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TheLittleLady
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One single link to the letter or full interview would lend authenticity. I have googled everything, can only find LSN and some blogs.
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stpurl
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To be fair, a condemnation of the actions of a fellow prelate —even the ‘top’, I.e. Pope Francis—is not the same as condemning either the papacy itself, nor the man himself.
If I were to say that I thought an action of yours was wrong, I would not be saying that you yourself were totally and completely wrong in everything you ever said or did, nor would I be saying that in your being wrong that you were maliciously so.
So a prelate of the Church can, for example, criticize the actions of another prelate while still maintaining loyalty to the prelate’s office and to the prelate himself, I.e., being totally respectful, but obeying his conscience to point out a perceived error, in order to inform the other person and give the opportunity for correction.
If I were to say that I thought an action of yours was wrong, I would not be saying that you yourself were totally and completely wrong in everything you ever said or did, nor would I be saying that in your being wrong that you were maliciously so.
So a prelate of the Church can, for example, criticize the actions of another prelate while still maintaining loyalty to the prelate’s office and to the prelate himself, I.e., being totally respectful, but obeying his conscience to point out a perceived error, in order to inform the other person and give the opportunity for correction.
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