Archbp Vigano praises Trump, warns America

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When those praises are painting him out to be a prophet of God anointed like Cyrus, yes. You’re all but saying to not vote for Trump is to oppose God, and I’m not talking about votes for Biden. If you even vote third party for a pro life candidate, you apparently oppose God. That is over the top.
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I am convinced that America is the last stronghold of protection for humanity left on earth, in this time. If America falls, for the sake of “globalism” - a “new world order” - all nations will fall to (ultimately) a dictatorship of the ruling elite over the “deplorables” - over those who “cling to their guns and Bibles”. All of the freedoms that this country was founded to preserve, will be lost to “the greater good”, according to the superior judgment and wisdom and knowledge of the elite ruling class.

What will that look like? Look at Venezuela, North Korea, China, Russia - that will be the “new and improved America” - the “new revolution” begun even now on the streets of many Democrat-run cities - the advance guard of antifa, of BLM, the students of Saul Alinsky the “neighborhood organizer” guru.

The Prime Minister of Israel was the one to publicly coin the similarity (as far as I know) of Trump and Cyrus - although others thought of it as well. God’s hand was active, I am convinced, in the election of 2016. NO ONE expected Trump to win!!! All the polls, all the money, all the omniscient press were certain Hillary had it! BUT God intervened, I am convinced, because God had mercy on the nation, and on the world, and on the Church in this nation, though we did not deserve it. God wanted to hold this stronghold for humanity up, for now, perhaps to give us one more chance. That was my fervent prayer, at that time. And God did what NO ONE thought possible.

Who would have thought a pagan such as Cyrus would rebuild God’s Temple in Jerusalem? God had His plan for Israel! And is it not plain, that God has a plan for America? Look at the world! Is it not plain that America holds a unique place in the world, with unique potential and potency - IF SHE can survive.

Satan is circling like a vulture over America! Her strength seems to be ebbing; her foundations seem to be cracking, uncertain, unsure anymore; she seems to not know, anymore who she is, and why she is.
 
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fide said:
Who would have thought a pagan such as Cyrus would rebuild God’s Temple in Jerusalem? God had His plan for Israel! And is it not plain, that God has a plan for America? Look at the world! Is it not.plain that America holds a unique place in the world, with unique potential and potency - IF SHE can survive.
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I don’t understand why God would only choose to care about America.
 
There are so many things to say here, but I value my sanity and mental equilibrium too much to engage further. Muting this thread and placing you in the Ignore bucket until after the election (for what it’s worth, the shortest period that I have ever used so far). God bless.
 
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I don’t understand why God would only choose to care about America.
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Because God chose Abraham, and from him the nation Israel, do you conclude that God cared only about one nation on earth?
Because Jesus chose only 12 Apostles, do you conclude that God cared only about 12 men?

To be chosen by God is not cause to think that “God loves me above the others”.
God chooses a few - always - to be a blessing for the many. Through the few chosen, the many receive His blessings; thus all become blessed, all become elect. God wants a few to participate in His work among the many. This is His way.

Thus God especially blessed America. The blessing becomes a burden - a responsibility - that people in Christ can fully understand. If America falls and becomes like Europe, or Venezuela or North Korea or China or Russia, if she becomes “like any other nation” (one of Obama’s desires) she will become empty of the gifts she could give, and be, for the world. And who then would - or could - stand for God and His ways, for the world?
 
I believe you identify as a “traditional” Catholic. There is no place for American exceptionalism in traditional Catholic thought. The heresy of Americanism was explicitly condemned. America is, traditionally, an anti-Catholic country…and proudly so.
 
Fortunately, I can choose to be the Catholic I believe God wants, and live in the nation I do, without fear of ejection from either, regardless of the requirements you have laid out!
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I know very little about European countries. I know the Church is suffering in European countries, and this is a very bad sign for Western culture.
 
fide said:
Fortunately, I can choose to be the Catholic I believe God wants, and live in the nation I do, without fear of ejection from either, regardless of the requirements you have laid out!
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Do you deny the heresy of Americanism?
 
It’s not clear to me how the heresy of Americanism relates to this topic. Could someone clarify?
 
I’m starting to feel like I’m Trump and this is a fake news conference. Is this a standard liberal tactic?
 
fide said:
I’m starting to feel like I’m Trump and this is a fake news conference. Is this a standard liberal tactic?
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Asking if you support that which was condemned in an Encyclical by Pope Leo XIII is a “liberal tactic” from a “fake news conference”? I’m a liberal for that?

Uh huh. This is exactly what I mean: oppose Trump, oppose the prophet, and you oppose God apparently. Even if I’m not politically liberal and am planning on voting for a pro-life candidate.

There’s no further discussion to be had.
 
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Dear Motherwit,

Sorry. but it seems to me people willing to support the Democratic Platform and “Abortion on demand” cannot be discerning Truth from obvious lies. Have you seen the film: " A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing? "
If not, I suggest you see it to learn more about how very cunning the “wolf” really is:
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Yes, absolutely, satan disguises himself as an Angel of light, St. John in his First Letter warns us “not to trust every spirit” (cf 1 Jn 4:1) You might also want to consider these verses from Matthew 7:15 - 20

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. So by their fruits you will know them."

President Trump has born the good fruit of protecting innocent life and the Democratic Party has chosen to support the killing of innocent babies – can people not discern the difference between what is good and what is evil in that contrast? Can they not detect the lies and disguises of those who call themselves Catholic and yet are willing to vote for a man who will continue the disguise of “reproductive rights for women” ? If, as you propose: “There are many good, holy, prayerful people all over the world defending the unborn’s right to life…” do they simply not want to see the truth that God is able to work with a man seeking the good of children who cannot defend themselves? They seem unable to to compare what is truly good fruit with what is terribly, terribly bad. They are being deceived as surely as our first parents who believed the lies of satan.

Please let us pray for God’s Truth to prevail!

It makes no sense that anyone truly defending the “right to Life” for the defenseless unborn (as well as kill those who survive abortion if Doctors or Mother’s choose to babies). President Trump wants protect those babies too. Honestly, how can Catholics not “see” the difference between what is good and what is evil, what is good fruit and what is not.
 
fide said:
I’m starting to feel like I’m Trump and this is a fake news conference. Is this a standard liberal tactic?
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But not all of us are liberal.
MariaChristi said:
Honestly, how can Catholics not “see” the difference between what is goo dand what is evil, what is good fryit and what is not.
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Trump isn’t neccessarily good, he is just the lesser of two evils which is to be expected in politics.
 
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How about The Good God – All-Wise, All-Knowing – God Who Can See Good in persons whom He is working with – and knows their hearts, when fallible persons cannot see or know them?

If you are interested in knowing God, ask Him sincerely tol show you what you cannot 'see" yet. I all of us will seek His Truth, for God is an All - Loving God who sent His Son to be The Way, The Truth and The Life.
 
MariaChristi said:
How about The Good God – All-Wise, All-Knowing – God Who Can See Good in persons whom He is working with – and knows their hearts, when fallible persons cannot see or know them?
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The same goes for the bad.
MariaChristi said:
If you are interested in knowing God, ask Him sincerely tol show you what you cannot 'see" yet. I all of us will seek His Truth, for God is an All - Loving God who sent His Son to be The Way, The Truth and The Life.
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I and other people have a relationship with God and we are telling you Trump’s not.
 
fide said:
I’m starting to feel like I’m Trump and this is a fake news conference. Is this a standard liberal tactic?
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And I feel that you are starting to sound like you are Trump, saying this is a fake news conference and asking if this is a standard liberal tactic. 😀

Edited for accuracy: And I feel that you are sounding like you are Trump, saying this is a fake news conference and asking if this is a standard liberal tactic. 🤭
 
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There are posters here will defend anything and everything Trump does or say.

“Nuff said.
 
fide said:
I’ll leave you folks to your own conclusions, free of any truth at all.
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This is my conclusion.

Trump is human, he has done and said some good things and has done and said not so good things.

Trump Derangement syndrome is real but so is Trump Adoration syndrome.

You can say what I wrote as free of any truth, so be it.
 
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