(Archdiocese of Detroit:) Statement regarding Real Catholic TV and its name

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It’s not his place to target anyone.

Jesus didn’t target people, neither should he.
Come on now. Jesus did not mince words especially when it came to the pharisees.
Matt 23:1-5 "Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples, saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do. For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do to be seen by men.”
Matt 23:31-33 “Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?”
Since Jesus was always talking about the Pharisees, could one not say he “targeted” the Pharisees?

Or was he saying what needed to be said?

Michael Voris does have an inflammatory style, which I’m not always into, but there is a place for someone who is not afraid to say what needs to be said.
 
It’s not his place to target anyone.

Jesus didn’t target people, neither should he.

Our goal as Christians is to bring people to the truth, not drive them away with harsh words and finger pointing, especially when those words are often misinterpreted by the person using them.

Jim
it’s all our place to admonish the sinner but of course not to drive them away. although this is different than them leaving because they don’t like the message.
Jesus didn’t stop those that could not accept they had to eat his body and drink his blood from leaving but the door is always open for them to return.
 
Come on now. Jesus did not mince words especially when it came to the pharisees.

Since Jesus was always talking about the Pharisees, could one not say he “targeted” the Pharisees?

Or was he saying what needed to be said?

Michael Voris does have an inflammatory style, which I’m not always into, but there is a place for someone who is not afraid to say what needs to be said.
Jesus only responded to the Pharisees according to how they approached him and attempted to corner him into a trap. He also knew, they were plotting to have him arrested and kill him.

Besides, he’s God the son, not so Michael Voris.

The public voice of the Church is the Bishop, not individual Catholics who have given themselves self-righteous authority.

Jim
 
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TrueLight:
Since Jesus was always talking about the Pharisees, could one not say he “targeted” the Pharisees?
Jesus denounced them AFTER they trapped him in their continual confrontations, seeing the evil in their hearts. I doubt seriously that Voris has ever been confronted by the Bishops and clergy against whom he seems to have a definite vendetta. No, he initiates and escalates his attacks via these videos, in the name of being a “real” Catholic. They are one-sided, because you rarely see a rebuttal from those he attacks, to hear their side of it. That is not what Jesus taught us. We are to go to the person privately, then take witnesses, then appeal to the Church.

Have you seen very many of these videos, TrueLight? Apologetics just closed a thread where Jimmy Akin exposed him for misrepresenting the truth (as he interpreted it) from a Cardinal and further stated that priests must let go of their personal egos and adopt the discipline he presented, almost as if it is now Church law, according to the mind of Voris. :eek: Typical of many videos. Praise God some well-known Catholics in the media are defending the clergy.

Is it any wonder why the Archdiocese is so concerned that the name Catholic next to “REAL” is problematic? Especially with the vast volume of media presentations they produce.

With regard to using the name in blogs, CatholicCulture has a list of many heretical websites that use the name Catholic in its name, but since these are scattered all over the globe, it would be up to all of those bishops to handle. Some are not even discernable with regard to location. But RCTV leaves little doubt about the intent of the organization and the author who claims to “trap lies and falsehoods” whether they be true or not. It is simply his personal interpretation.

It would not surprise me if some day Catholic Answers bans all of his work to prevent Catholics from the kind of mistruths that Jimmy Akin exposed. Call me a “lesser voice” in alliance and agreement with these apologists.
 
It’s not his place to target anyone.

Jesus didn’t target people, neither should he.

Our goal as Christians is to bring people to the truth, not drive them away with harsh words and finger pointing, especially when those words are often misinterpreted by the person using them.
Jim
Jim, with all charity this ideology is part of the problem in the Church today. Our catechizing, evangilisation and Homilies are so luke warm and feel-good that the filial fear of God no longer exists. I suggest a good dose of “hell-fire and brimestone” is just what is needed to wake up a luke warm people and save souls. Prior to the 60’s we had Homilies on the four final things, Hell, eternal damnation, anathema’s. Now we get “i’m ok, you’re ok” with theology lite added in. And the empty pews, fallen away Catholics and pick and choose theology shows it. Our Lord Jesus Christ was compassionate when needed, but He was also Judgemental and Zealous when needed. We need Bishops that will wave the Sword of God and save Souls, not politicians looking to keep everybody happy. Just look at how the Bishops that are starting to speak out authoritativley on Sin and Church teaching are being pilloried and you can see that society is aghast that one can be so “Judgemental”. The world does not want True Theology. The father of all lies does not want True Discipline and adherence to Church teaching. The Saints. the Church Fathers and past Popes have often had to respond to indifference within the Faithfull by brandishing the Sword of Truth. And it is once again time for that type of sheparding.

We, as Catholics need to purge the wishy washy, feel good mentality that has permeated our beliefs and return to a definitive, obiedient Faith that clearly states what is right, and what is wrong. The Church cannot be friends with the world. The Church is not of this world.

from The Gospel of St. John; ch 17
"[11] And now I am not in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name whom thou has given me; that they may be one, as we also are. [12] While I was with them, I kept them in thy name. Those whom thou gavest me have I kept; and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture may be fulfilled. [13] And now I come to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy filled in themselves. [14] I have given them thy word, and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world; as I also am not of the world. [15] I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from evil.

[16] They are not of the world, as I also am not of the world. [17] Sanctify them in truth. Thy word is truth. [18] As thou hast sent me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. [19] And for them do I sanctify myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.
[20] And not for them only do I pray, but for them also who through their word shall believe in me;

[21] That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."

from The Gospel of St. Matthew; ch 10
“[11] And into whatsoever city or town you shall enter, inquire who in it is worthy, and there abide till you go thence. [12] And when you come into the house, salute it, saying: Peace be to this house. [13] And if that house be worthy, your peace shall come upon it; but if it be not worthy, your peace shall return to you. [14] And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words: going forth out of that house or city shake off the dust from your feet. [15] Amen I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.”

Have a Blessed Christmas Season everyone.

scripture from: drbo.org/index.htm
 
Jesus denounced them AFTER they trapped him in their continual confrontations, seeing the evil in their hearts. I doubt seriously that Voris has ever been confronted by the Bishops and clergy against whom he seems to have a definite vendetta. No, he initiates and escalates his attacks via these videos, in the name of being a “real” Catholic. They are one-sided, because you rarely see a rebuttal from those he attacks, to hear their side of it. That is not what Jesus taught us. We are to go to the person privately, then take witnesses, then appeal to the Church.

Have you seen very many of these videos, TrueLight? Apologetics just closed a thread where Jimmy Akin exposed him for misrepresenting the truth (as he interpreted it) from a Cardinal and further stated that priests must let go of their personal egos and adopt the discipline he presented, almost as if it is now Church law, according to the mind of Voris. :eek: Typical of many videos. Praise God some well-known Catholics in the media are defending the clergy.

Is it any wonder why the Archdiocese is so concerned that the name Catholic next to “REAL” is problematic? Especially with the vast volume of media presentations they produce.

With regard to using the name in blogs, CatholicCulture has a list of many heretical websites that use the name Catholic in its name, but since these are scattered all over the globe, it would be up to all of those bishops to handle. Some are not even discernable with regard to location. But RCTV leaves little doubt about the intent of the organization and the author who claims to “trap lies and falsehoods” whether they be true or not. It is simply his personal interpretation.

It would not surprise me if some day Catholic Answers bans all of his work to prevent Catholics from the kind of mistruths that Jimmy Akin exposed.
Yes Voris, the guy who advocated a theocratic society ruled by a “benevolent” Catholic Dictator, where only “informed” Catholics have a say in how things are done.
 
It’s not his place to target anyone.

Jesus didn’t target people, neither should he.

Our goal as Christians is to bring people to the truth, not drive them away with harsh words and finger pointing, especially when those words are often misinterpreted by the person using them.

Jim
Show me proof that Voris is driving people away. Apparantly for you it’s ok that individuals misrepresent Catholic teaching or support groups opposed to Catholic teaching. Let’s not not point fingers or hurt their feelings as they lead souls to hell. :rolleyes:
 
Dirt,
with charity, I disagree with your assessment “prior to the 60’s we had Homilies on the four final things, Hell, eternal damnation,” which was some how better.

It’s why so many people left the Catholic Church during the 60’s,

Why join a religion which was filled with so much hopelessness?

Our salvation is something to be joyous about, not full of despair.

When I left the Church, back in the 60’s and finally returned in the 70’'s, it was the result of being given the gift of faith in Jesus Christ.

Faith is God’s revelation of Himself to us, however that may happen. Religion is our response to that faith.

When Jesus came into my life, he filled me with love, compassion and hope.

The good news of Jesus Christ means just what it says, “Good News.”

This is what we should be sharing.

If we don’t have faith that gives love, hope and joy in our own lives, we probably have religion, but not faith.

As a result, we would have nothing worth sharing and would serve the Church better by remaining silent.

As the saying goes, you can draw more bees with honey than you can with lemons.

Jim
 
Yes Voris, the guy who advocated a theocratic society ruled by a “benevolent” Catholic Dictator, where only “informed” Catholics have a say in how things are done.
Where did he “advocate” this? Will it be on the next ballot? Or maybe he has his opinions, when asked, just like you, whether relevant or not.
As I recall, you are an Obama supporter, no?
 
Jam, maybe you missed it, as he has had scores of videos. He audaciously presented a belief that we should have none other than a Catholic Monarchy, where only Catholics are permitted to vote. I’ll try to find it if you are interested. It was bizarre, but he really believes his subject matter.
 
Jam, maybe you missed it, as he has had scores of videos. He audaciously presented a belief that we should have none other than a Catholic Monarchy, where only Catholics are permitted to vote. I’ll try to find it if you are interested. It was bizarre, but he really believes his subject matter.
I’ve seen it. So what?
 
Dirt,
with charity, I disagree with your assessment “prior to the 60’s we had Homilies on the four final things, @#!*% , eternal damnation,” which was some how better.

It’s why so many people left the Catholic Church during the 60’s,

Why join a religion which was filled with so much hopelessness?

Our salvation is something to be joyous about, not full of despair.

When I left the Church, back in the 60’s and finally returned in the 70’'s, it was the result of being given the gift of faith in Jesus Christ.

Faith is God’s revelation of Himself to us, however that may happen. Religion is our response to that faith.

When Jesus came into my life, he filled me with love, compassion and hope.

The good news of Jesus Christ means just what it says, “Good News.”

This is what we should be sharing.

If we don’t have faith that gives love, hope and joy in our own lives, we probably have religion, but not faith.

As a result, we would have nothing worth sharing and would serve the Church better by remaining silent.

As the saying goes, you can draw more bees with honey than you can with lemons.

Jim
Jim the 4 final things has not changed although many now hold on to heretical teachings under the guise of the spirit of vatican 11.
some misguided catholics now think it’s acceptable to use contraception, to be an active homesexual, abortion, and divorce cathoilcs need to be informed this is not the way.
 
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Jam070406:
I’ve seen it. So what?
So what? That was the question you asked of Ringil after he/she mentioned the material in this video. So I gave you the source. You do what you want to with this info. 😉
 
has anyone got a link to the jimmy akin on real catholic tv. also who is jimmy akin is he one of the apologists here?
 
So what? That was the question you asked of Ringil after he/she mentioned the material in this video. So I gave you the source. You do what you want to with this info. 😉
Some people advocate voting for a president that the Church says is a grave sin to vote for.
 
I’ve seen it. So what?
Do you believe an individual’s media outlet holding and publically espousing such fringe views should carry the moniker “Real Catholic”?

Can you understand why this would make some Church leaders wary?
 
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