Are Catholic women required to be beautiful?

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Some of the pictures of the 20 transgendered individuals could be retouched. Some clearly show the masculinity of the person. But even if the photos are accurate, I would need to hear them speak and see them walk. Plus, their thinking would still be masculine. Furthermore, they are the exceptions in passing for female. The ones you see in real life definitely aren’t fooling anyone.

As a Catholic, it’s best not to use the word cis. Just say normal woman.
 
A lot of the transgender who can afford it get surgery in places like Thailand to shave off the jaw bone and reshape it so that they look more female.
They might get rhinoplasty too sometimes.
Personally I’m not sure whether surgeons should be agreeing to do this?

Transgender from Asia and Brazil often (with exceptions) seem to make themselves look more “genuinely female” than ones from America (Bruce Jenner for example) from what I’ve seen.
I don’t know it that due to already starting of from a place of looking more feminine (comparative speaking) than the Americans or if it is due to the plastic surgeries plus I saw on a documentary that apparently they also mimic women by repetitively watching things like beauty pageants.
 
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ConstantLearner said:
I’m surprised it was only 38%. Most men will be much more helpful to an attractive woman than one who is not.
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Maybe single attractive women versus single unattractive women. There are times I’m out in the world looking like garbage run over by a truck and hit by a tornado but people smile at the spectacle of me and my four kids being weirdos and men (and women) enjoy talking to us and helping us often.

And all of that aside, I’ve never been conventionally attractive and men have helped me plenty even pre-kids. Perhaps there is a geographic difference here. More boys raised by their mommas to be gentlemen. 🤷‍♀️
 
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ConstantLearner said:
Women who don’t wear make-up aren’t that uncommon. I require none. I have permanent eye make-up and lip color, though I had quite rosy lips prior. I never wear foundation or powder or blush or anything like that. No one in my family does, and we would if we needed it. We are all known for perfect skin and our lack of need for make-up. We do take good care of our skin, though. The women in my family are almost all beauty contest winners. I don’t enter, though. I think they are silly. My older sister, however, was a “Miss Brazil.”
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Why…are you telling us this? Should your beauty make us respect your opinions on beauty more than the opinions of the less beautiful?

Be assured I don’t mean that as pointed or offensive, I’m just curious. Also there may have been an obvious reason further up thread I missed.
 
The sense of family is so strong in Hawaii. I noticed that local men who when not attracted to an individual woman still treat her as a sister or as an auntie.

I miss that sense of community where I live now.
 
DisorientingSneeze said:
Why…are you telling us this? Should your beauty make us respect your opinions on beauty more than the opinions of the less beautiful?
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I was replying to the poster directly ahead of me who seemed to think women who don’t need makeup are rare. They aren’t that rare. I didn’t expect anyone but him to pay much attention to it.
 
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Rozellelily said:
Personally I’m not sure whether surgeons should be agreeing to do this?
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Why? It’s cosmetic surgery. Millions of people have cosmetic surgery. Surgeons should not discriminate.

But what has that got to do with the topic?
 
Lara said:
Some of the pictures of the 20 transgendered individuals could be retouched. Some clearly show the masculinity of the person. But even if the photos are accurate, I would need to hear them speak and see them walk. Plus, their thinking would still be masculine. Furthermore, they are the exceptions in passing for female. The ones you see in real life definitely aren’t fooling anyone.
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They transition PRECISELY because their thinking and their emotions are NOT masculine; they are feminine. They feel like a woman trapped on a man’s body, and it tortures them. Many who don’t transition commit suicide.

I work with them, as a volunteer, and I’ve met many who could fool even a doctor, let alone the general public. But transgender people aren’t into fooling anyone. For 99.9% of them, their moral and ethical standards are much higher than that.
 
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When you talk to them, you don’t feel like you’re talking to another woman. It feels like there’s somebody in an echo chamber that’s male.
 
Honestly there are women with natural ‘masculine’ features (broad jaw, low hip to waist ratio) and there are transgender individuals who actually manage to look really feminine. These days it’s hard to tell. There is a black woman I follow on social media and she has been bullied for looking like a ‘tranny’ even though she’s biologically female. Women (and men) have a variety of features to the point where it’s rude to say ‘they still look like a man’ because you can easily assume with confidence that there’s a biological woman who looks like that.
 
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I know one such woman.

She is biologically female and heterosexual, yet she is often accused of being a male to female transsexual.
 
It takes two biological parents who understand the behavior of true gentlemen to pass that on to their son.
 
Lara said:
When you talk to them, you don’t feel like you’re talking to another woman. It feels like there’s somebody in an echo chamber that’s male.
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I do. I feel like I’m talking to another woman.
 
edwest211 said:
It takes two biological parents who understand the behavior of true gentlemen to pass that on to their son.
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Oh, it does not! That’s almost laughable. Are you saying all the men who were raised in one parent homes or who are adopted cannot grow up to be gentlemen? Of course they can! I don’t think even you believe your own post. The finest man I know was raised by his mother alone because his father died young. He had no father figure, but his mother, who worked three jobs at times, brought him up right.

I know a lesbian couple who have three wonderfully mannered sons. They are intelligent, courteous, and helpful to all. They live in a small town, and one of the boys always mows the lawns of the women who live alone for free. He helps them carry their packages, etc. They are the nicest kids I’ve ever seen. They are nicer than my brothers and sisters were at that age, and we had a biological mother and father.
 
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Rozellelily said:
When people like this girl are held up to be (or hold themselves up to be) the ultimate example of a Catholic woman-feminine and beautiful-I feel a bit inferior by comparison.
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With all due respect I know someone who is related to this person, please don’t post things that directly attack how people look, it is very wrong. After all, would one not feel conscientious with someone posting a link to an Instagram page on a public forum ridiculing someone on how they look?
 
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Sad, but true. I grew with a bunch of guys. Friends I made. If their parents did certain things, they would imitate it. That’s the oldest fact in the book.
 
theCardinalbird said:
With all due respect I know someone who is related to this person, please don’t post things that directly attack how people look, it is very wrong. After all, would one not feel conscientious with someone posting a link to an Instagram page on a public forum ridiculing someone on how they look?
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Well, her Instagram is public. I don’t think she’s exactly a poster child for how a Catholic woman should look with the corset tops, the super high heels, the miniskirts, the very low-cut dresses that leave little to the imagination, etc. She’s certainly not the worst example, just not an example of a good Catholic in appearance (she may be in other areas; I only know her appearance. Frankly, I never heard of her before this thread.)

If I had a public Instagram, I would expect people to comment on my photos, and I would expect some negativity.

I don’t think we should focus on anyone’s looks, though. It’s nice to have good looks, but even the most beautiful among us will fade outwardly. Inner beauty, however, can, and should, grow.
 
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