Are formfitting shirts appropriate?

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For example, are tube tops okay to wear?
If you are embarrassed by the beauty of God’s creation, they are not.

However, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

And so is modesty and immodesty.

Sometimes those claiming immodesty might be wrestling with their own lustful attraction to a beautiful, alluring body, and find it more convenient to make themselves the victim and the person violating their sensitivities as the perpetrator.

The truth, as always, probably lies somewhere in between.
 
As I’ve stated before, my parish is the only Catholic church in a tourist area in a beach town. We have people come to Mass on their way to the beach or from it. The only complaint I’ve ever really heard from people is that sometimes those chosen to bring up the gifts may be wearing shorts that were too short.
 
I disagree. Modesty is necessary because with full deliberation and consent, interior thoughts, as well as sins of omission/ complacencies (that is, failing to turn your mind to a neutral object when a bad thought first presents itself), are mortal sins.

Bad thoughts work in three steps: suggestion, delectation, and consent. While men can control exterior acts (what they do and what they say), men cannot control the “suggestion” from being bad or coming into their minds in the first place. The suggestion comes in uninvited and unwanted! For the vast majority of men, especially between the ages of 15-40, nature (testosterone, etc), hardwires men’s brains to respond in a certain way to environmental stimuli. And the bad thought is often already bad from the onset. From the first suggestion, the devil has already done the work. The pleasing appearance of the thought, delectation, tempts men to consent to its suggestions (“the I want to keep looking because I like what I’m looking at” stage). This is why it is so easy to pass from “suggestion” to full consent (mortal sin). This is why, even if men are culpable of a small percentage of those thoughts, given a small percentage of a very large number is still large, men can commit so many mortal sins that they cannot count the number of sins that they committed the next time that they go to confession.

Therefore, to avoid bad “suggestions” in the first place that in turn lead to delectation and consent, we must be vigilant and flee from the near occasions of sin. Flee from what puts these bad thoughts into the mind.

This is why modesty is of utmost importance. Especially given that 75-80 percent of Christian men aged 18-24 viewed pornography in the last month, and given that 90-95 percent of young men have viewed it at some time in their lives. This implies that the vast majority of men have not even been able to overcome exterior acts (let alone develop, to even one thenth the necessary degree, the much more difficult habit of throwing off bad thoughts immediately.)

Even for men who have been off of pornography for awhile, they still have the potential for some environmental trigger to put a bad memory or thought into their mind (from their past sinful life!)

Therefore, since vigilance, fleeing from sin, and custody of one’s eyes (“be careful where I am looking at”) is expected of men at all times, it is not too much to ask to expect women to dress modesty! I am not intending to answer the question of what level of modesty is necessary today, because circumstances have indeed changed, but yes, modestly is indeed crucial. No cleavage and no yoga pants would solve 90 percent of lustful “suggestions.” We can debate from there.

In conclusion: modesty is of utmost importance!
 
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You obviously did not read my comment. Men cannot control “lustful suggestions.”

Men can control exterior acts, but they cannot control bad thoughts from popping into their minds from environmental stimuli. If these thoughts are consented to, or not thrown off immediately, they can easily be mortal sins.
 
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I can’t agree with that at all. The problem needs to be fixed for everyone.

Human dignity begins with human decency.
 
When I was a teenager, a stiff breeze could cause a “lustful” thought…
 
It’s a lot cause? They said it couldn’t be done so we didn’t do it? Even if a few people start paying attention, that is progress. Not, we’re heading down the drain and we can’t stop. Hope, not giving in.

I know someone who overcame the world.
 
The truth is crystal clear, not vague.
No, except for divine truth, truth is subjective…and please don’t turn a discussion on fashion into what God’s truth is on it, because fashion is subjective and is certainly not divine…Was God offended when Francis of Assisi stripped naked in front of the Bishop when he denounced worldliness? Was God offended when our Lord was nailed to the cross buck naked? I don’t think so.
 
Because God made the beach. The ocean is wonderful. There’s fishing you’re missing out on. Getting a tan. Early morning beach runs. Swimming in the ocean. Having fun. Watching the sun set on the horizon on the beach. If you’re not going to go to the beach because women wear bikinis, which, not all are like underwear, then where do you draw the line? Do you also not go downtown to bars because women may dress scantily clad? Do you also not go to the gym for the same reason? I mean some women wear leggings that you can see thru.

I can understand an alcoholic not going to a bar if it triggers them. But Unless your problem with lust is akin to that of an alcoholic’s problem with alcohol, go to the beach.
 
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But Unless your problem with lust is akin to that of an alcoholic’s problem with alcohol, go to the beach.
That is actually a fairly apt comparison. I know that I have a ton of trouble when my wife and I go to the swim park near us. It’s really hard not to engage in lustful thoughts.

I still go because my wife and son love to swim, as do I, but it’s a struggle every time.
 
No I am not at all. A person who is an alcoholic has a problem being triggered to drink. A person who has an addiction with lust can be triggered to lust if they have a serious problem. If you don’t have a serious problem with lust then go to the beach.
 
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