Are Mormons Protestant or their own thing?

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gazelam said:
  1. Three Kingdoms [of Heaven] - But the Bible teaches that people have just two possibilities for their eternal futures
1 Corinthians 15:40-42 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead .
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Again you misunderstand what is written. Your church took these teachings and spun it to fit their narrative. Celestial bodies are the stars. We are a terrestrial body. Here on earth.
 
Do you know who Thomas Smith is? He’s a Mormon convert to Protestantism, then to Catholicism. His doubt in Mormonism came when someone actually read those verses in a version of the Bible besides the King James
 
You can choose how you want to deal with the LDS. I choose to refute deceptive claims.
 
I’m not trying to get the Mormon to change his mind, I know that is impossible. I just don’t want others to see posts like those and assume they are correct and believe the Catholic Church and the LDS have theology in common. I lived among the Mormons for over 25 years, first in college then a few years later when I took a job in a very LDS area of my state. I had not yet converted to the Catholic Church at that time although I did consider myself a Christian as that is how I had been raised.

I bought a house in a small community a few miles outside the city thinking it would be a nice place for my kids. Biggest mistake ever. The community was about 98% LDS, 2% criminal. Since I was neither, we did not fit in. My kids were shunned, literally shunned. They were still in elementary school. I wouldn’t let them go to Cub Scouts with the other boys there as it associated with the LDS. I worked in law enforcement and I knew of all the problems of sexual abuse going on within scouts in the LDS organization. I took them into the city for scouts. They were shunned. Boys would ask if they spend the night on a Saturday night and stay all day Sunday, I would not give permission. One, I wasn’t comfortable with the idea of my kids spending a night in a home where I didn’t know the parents and two, I knew it was a ploy to get them to church. I signed them up for little league (t-ball) for the younger on, we were given a schedule and then never told when there was a change in the schedule, they announced at church. My kids didn’t get to play, the moms didn’t talk to me after learning I didn’t want to hear about the LDS & Joseph Smith. We lasted 18 months, I sold my house at a loss and went back into the city so my kids could actually have a childhood without being made to feel as though they were less than the other kids.

So yes, I will correct LDS claims when they are misleading.
 
Mishakel said:
How many Bible verses has Catholicism Dogmatically defined?? We can start there since you seem to think Catholicism has every answer there is where scripture is the topic 🙂
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Off topic. If you want to Catholic bash, start your own thread.
 
Mishakel said:
I’d be very happy to talk about Bible verses with you 🙂

How many Bible verses has Catholicism Dogmatically defined?? We can start there since you seem to think Catholicism has every answer there is where scripture is the topic 🙂
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Sure. Perhaps you could start another thread. Actually, I believe there are natural and spiritual gifts and graces outside the Catholic Church. That’s one reason why the divisions and splintering are so sad. I’m also not a fan of false assurance and people believing in an eternal security that may not be reality. A classic passage on this is Matthew 7:21-23. Yes, I believe that the Catholic Church is the fullest expression of Christianity and would pray that you “might be filled with all the fullness of God” (Ephesians 3:19).
 
I did not realise the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator - Mormon - had any Followers since he did not found a Church. I am talking about The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints, founded under The SAVIOUR’s Orders to Joseph Smith, Jr., another Revelator, Prophet, and Seer.

Saint John the Baptist the Prophet, gave the Aaronic Priesthood to the Prophet Joseph. Saints Peter, James, and John the Revelator gave him the Melchizedek Priesthood.
 
Want some helpful Advice, Mate?

When the J.W.'s come around, lie and offer them a Book of Mormon, and you shall never see them again. X’D The J.W.'s hate The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints.

I have done that to them constantly and it is seriously funny! I do have the J.W. Bible and use it as a Study Guide with my New American Bible; and I also have some Books they have made, just for Reference since I love studying different Religions.
 
That’s not much in the way of an answer, care to parse that out a little bit friend.
 
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ColonelRebel said:
Saint John the Baptist the Prophet, gave the Aaronic Priesthood to the Prophet Joseph. Saints Peter, James, and John the Revelator gave him the Melchizedek Priesthood.
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How was John the Revelator able to give to Joseph something that he didn’t even have to give in the first place?
 
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RuthAnne said:
How was John the Revelator able to give to Joseph something that he didn’t even have to give in the first place?
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Please clarify what you mean. Which authority do you believe that Jesus gave to John? Thanks.

Matthew 10:1 Jesus summoned His twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness.
 
Simple. Mormons believe that in the great apostasy, the priesthood was taken from the earth.

Mormons believe that John the Revelator never tasted death but still tarries upon the earth.

Either the priesthood was taken from the earth or it was not. If it was taken, then John no longer had it. If he still had it, then it was never taken away.
 
Are they even Christian?
Blockquote Latter-day Saints will not worship Christ. They are forbidden to pray to him. All prayer is directed to the Father only, in the name of the Son. Because they don’t understand the true nature and persons of God, Mormons confuse the divine and human natures of his Son. For them, Christ must be a lesser God, since he (and the Holy Ghost) were formed by the Father and are subjected to him in all things. Though now Gods, Christ and the Holy Spirit became Gods later than did Heavenly Father and are totally dependent upon him who created them.
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Xarto said:
Latter-day Saints will not worship Christ
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That is correct per Doctrine and Covenants. “And gave unto them commandments that they should love and serve him, the only living and true God, and that he should be the only being whom they should worship.”

Their prophet McConkie said, “We worship the Father and him only and no one else. We do not worship the Son, and we do not worship the Holy Ghost.”
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They are forbidden to pray to him .
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I would not exactly say that. There are examples in the Book of Mormon where they prayed to Jesus Christ.
 
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RuthAnne said:
Simple. Mormons believe that in the great apostasy, the priesthood was taken from the earth.

Mormons believe that John the Revelator never tasted death but still tarries upon the earth.

Either the priesthood was taken from the earth or it was not. If it was taken, then John no longer had it. If he still had it, then it was never taken away.
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Your viewpoint is a legitimate misunderstanding. What was taken away was the exercise the Priesthood on behalf of others (i.e., baptism, confirmation, blessing of the sick, etc.). All Priesthood holders (John and the Three Nephites) were not removed from the Earth. I hope this helps…
 
Xarto said:
Are they even Christian?
Blockquote Latter-day Saints will not worship Christ. They are forbidden to pray to him. All prayer is directed to the Father only, in the name of the Son. Because they don’t understand the true nature and persons of God, Mormons confuse the divine and human natures of his Son. For them, Christ must be a lesser God, since he (and the Holy Ghost) were formed by the Father and are subjected to him in all things. Though now Gods, Christ and the Holy Spirit became Gods later than did Heavenly Father and are totally dependent upon him who created them.
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Friend, it’s best to get information about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints straight from its website. You will find that we are very Christian. Here’s what one Catholic scholar said about Latter-day Saints:

*In affirming the divinity of Jesus, Mormons are Christians who do not know where to stop. Thy answer the question of whether it is possible to say too much about Jesus with a resounding No! *
Indeed, never has a religious movement combined so effortlessly the most extravagant assertions with the most level-headed and commonsensical tone. Mormon rhetoric is guided by the conviction that the only way to say enough about Christ is to say too much. As a result, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints puts Jesus Christ front and center in ways that would make many members of mainline Protestant denominations blush. Mormon theology is Christology unboundextremism in defense of Christology that can appear eccentric only to those who think that understatement is a virtue. (Stephen H. Webb,Jesus Christ, Eternal God: Heavenly Flesh and the Metaphysics of Matter (Oxford University Press, 2012))
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