Are Mormons Protestant or their own thing?

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In other words, spin. I think they get a lot from Psalms. You know, a book made up of poetry. Where figurative language is expected. Mind, you, it’s all still true…but it’s just that we expect it to be expressed in a different way. But they will try and confuse it. "Spin…’

To those true Christians, and those honest seekers, Happy Easter. May Your journey to the truth be fruitful.

Well, Happy Easter to everyone! Even the ‘Spinners’. But the rest of you…try not to be taken in. If they want to discuss their beliefs, let them do it honestly.
 
RuthAnne said:
Do you believe that you can become as God now is, which includes creating and presiding over another planet or planets?
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I definitely believe that we can be come like God, but any talk of planets is pure speculation and in some venues is an attempt to denigrate Latter-day Saint belief. (i’m sure that’s not the case here.)

What I do believe is that God’s eternal purposes is for more and more beings to gain eternal life and become like Him.

Moses 1:39 states For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

Once someone becomes like God, they’re essentially engaged in helping others gain Eternal Life. How planets will be utilized for this purpose in the future is just an educated guess at best.

And even though I don’t have a citation at the ready, I think that when we become like God we will still be subordinate to God the Father.

So a question for you. CCC 460 states that men can become Gods.

The Word became flesh to make us partakers of the divine nature. For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God. For the Son of God became man so that we might become God. The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods.

Do Catholics believe that they will receive planets when they become like God?
 
Do you think Joe Smith and Brigham Young are now gods? I heard a song during G.C once and it clearly said “Smith is in heaven mingling with other gods”. Now I know that a song like that would not be allowed if it wasn’t thought to be true. And this goes for any church. Being a Christian is to have but one God, not many. This is why you will never be a Christian if you continue down this path. yes, CCC 460 states that we may become God, but not how you and your church may believe. We will be sinless and without fault, but not God.
 
Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation , Vol.2, p.48:
The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fulness of his kingdom. In other words we will have the privilege of becoming like him . To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood ; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions , and if faithful, then they also will receive the fulness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.
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No speculation needed. Your church taught this idea. Then moved the goal post when they realized how damaging it was to their image. So basically the church fence sits to avoid having to deal seriously with the issue.

Also, curious about how the Holy Ghost confirmed to you that Joseph’s testimony was truth. I see we avoided that question. Also, how to we distinguish between two testimonies that meet your criteria for establishing fact.
 
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Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, p.48:

The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fulness of his kingdom. In other words we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fulness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.

Journal of Discourses, Vol.2, p.85 - p.86, Orson Hyde, October 6, 1854:

When the servants of God and their wives go to heaven there is an eternal union, and they will multiply and replenish the world to which they are going.

But of course, this was never taught in the Mormon church. Either that, or g was just sleeping during that part.

Sorry, I just saw that this JFS quote has already been quoted, but I’ll leave it there, anyway.
 
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Apache78 said:
I heard a song during G.C once and it clearly said “Smith is in heaven mingling with other gods”.
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I think it’s significant to point out that the song you’re referring to, “Praise To the Man”, actually says, “mingling with Gods”, not gods with a lower case g.
 
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Legend said:
Well, Happy Easter to everyone! Even the ‘Spinners’. But the rest of you…try not to be taken in. If they want to discuss their beliefs, let them do it honestly.
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I agree. But to deny that they teach these things about being like God and having their own worlds, regardless of how clumsily it was stated, is just a lie. It is not being honest.
 
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RuthAnne said:
Joseph Fielding Smith Jr., Doctrines of Salvation, Vol.2, p.48:

The Father has promised us that through our faithfulness we shall be blessed with the fulness of his kingdom. In other words we will have the privilege of becoming like him. To become like him we must have all the powers of godhood; thus a man and his wife when glorified will have spirit children who eventually will go on an earth like this one we are on and pass through the same kind of experiences, being subject to mortal conditions, and if faithful, then they also will receive the fulness of exaltation and partake of the same blessings. There is no end to this development; it will go on forever. We will become gods and have jurisdiction over worlds, and these worlds will be peopled by our own offspring. We will have an endless eternity for this.

Journal of Discourses, Vol.2, p.85 - p.86, Orson Hyde, October 6, 1854:

When the servants of God and their wives go to heaven there is an eternal union, and they will multiply and replenish the world to which they are going.

But of course, this was never taught in the Mormon church. Either that, or g was just sleeping during that part.

Sorry, I just saw that this JFS quote has already been quoted, but I’ll leave it there, anyway.
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  1. Nothing in this quote contradicts anything I said. This quote refers to jurisdiction over other worlds, which is different from owning a world or planet.
  2. The scriptural phrase found in D&C 132:19 inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions . Beyond that is speculation.
  3. If I really am going to receive my own planet, what covenant do latter-day Saints make in which they are promised their own planet?
  4. Joseph Smith also speculated at times.
  5. I’m frequently referred to as sleepy gazelam, or “Sleepy G” for short in my ward.
 
Julie4 said:
Mormans are, however, good, moral people and have good family values
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It really bothers me when I hear this statement. No offense toward you @Julie4, it is a very common statement. Somehow it implies Mormons are much better at this than any other religious group. Having both been raised in a Protestant faith tradition and now a Catholic I feel this applies broadly across the board. There are good moral people in Protestant churches with strong family values and there are good moral people with strong family values in the Catholic Churches.

Some Mormons are good moral people with good family values, some are not. This I have experienced first hand living among them for close to 25 years.
 
gazelam said:
Nothing in this quote contradicts anything I said. This quote refers to jurisdiction over other worlds, which is different from owning a world or planet.
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Two thoughts/quotes come to mind when I read this:

Your prophet Marvin J. Ashton said, “A lie is any communication given to another with the intent to deceive.”

The popular song, The Boxer by Simon & Garfunkle where it says, “All lies and jest, still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.”
 
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Horton said:
Some Mormons are good moral people with good family values, some are not. This I have experienced first hand living among them for close to 25 years.
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Just among my Mormon relatives, I have seen:

Occupational successes and wealth and homelessness.

United families and multiple divorces.

Honorable citizens and those who have gone to prison.

Some who are charitable and some who will gladly walk all over you.

Faithfulness and adultery.

A lot of depression and a few suicides.

Sexual deviancy.

Various addictions.

And on and on . . . I just don’t see where Mormonites are any different from any other sector of the world. I just don’t.
 
gazelam said:
become like Him.

Moses 1:39 states For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.

Once someone becomes like God, they’re essentially engaged in helping others gain Eternal Life. How planets will be utilized for this purpose in the future is just an educated guess at best.

And even though I don’t have a citation at the ready, I think that when we become like God we will still be subordinate to God the Father.
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And, just who is this ‘God the father’?

My understanding is that God-father, son, and holy spirit-always existed, created everything, and, ultimately, controls everything. Does your ‘God the father’ come anywhere near the one I believe in?

You’re just using spin, answering and quoting things that sound good, pretty much using anything ‘official’ sounding to justify yourselves.

And, yes, it’s good to have ‘good, moral family values’…but I wouldn’t sacrifice the truth on the altar of ‘goodness’. I would never sacrifice the truth!

The truth…I thought that was the ultimate goal of all debates! The rest is…

…….spin…….
 
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Believing in polytheism is not a truth, as it is not - in any way – Christianity.

Honestly, I am not trying to persuade you to give up your religion. The question in the forum had to do with whether or not Mormonism is Christianity. I believe it is not. But you are certainly welcome to your own position. It is always a good thing to examine our faith.
 
Julie4 said:
Honestly, I am not trying to persuade you to give up your religion.
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I’m Catholic. I have been Catholic all my life, although, not always active or practicing. I don’t intend to give it up.
 
Oh, goodness… I meant this for the person who said he/she is a Mormon. I get confused on the “Replies” on this site. Sorry…
 
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