Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?

[vocatio]

You compare yourself to our Lord? And, you still avoid answering direct questions. Does this mean you do not have an answer?

No. It just means he places himself up there with the Lord
Kidding now.

Oh BTW I didn’t mean to give you the impression that I’m a biblical expert now. 32 years is nothing and never should be the guage at which scriptural knowledge is based. Afterall, learning scripture is only part of the deposit of faith. And pride is a flaw. SO I’m as dumb as dirt IMHO. But I follow St. Jerome’s saying “to not know scripture is to not know Christ”. But it’s not the only thing to know either.

 

[wow]

someotherguy,

Not only have you disrespected those of us trying to honestly respond to your posts you seem to only be interested in bashing Catholicism. I kindly ask that you stop.

I have re-read this thread again and feel confident you have not addressed the following scripture. However, I would still be interested in hearing your take on it.

Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then shall he render unto every man according to his deeds.

Also, you haven’t responded since I posted more of James to try and put 2:24 into context the way I see it.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, offering up Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jas 2:22 Seest thou that faith did cooperate with his works and by works faith was made perfect?
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled, saying: Abraham believed God, and it was reputed to him to justice, and he was called the friend of God.
Jas 2:24 Do you see that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only?

It appears to me that the story of Abraham and Issac are examples. I have bolded the question to start the example and the question that asks if the example is understood. How do you see the passage?

If you reply and don’t acknowledge the questions, I’ll take it you have no answers.

 

[vocatio]

To the OP. I don’t think I answered with my own words.

I hope NOT! I love my father-in-law who proselytized me. That would include my wife and mother-in-law too. They all banged me over the head until I gave. It took several months, but Satan’s seed was planted way long before that. My story is burried in CAF. But grace is a wonderful thing to receive. I fear losing grace more than ever now that I’ve come home. It is grace that brings me peace from all the bad things I remember in my youth. So the measure we hold others to will be held to us. I pray that God allows me to beleive that all people’s sins are forgiven and covered under Jesus’ Divine Mercy. My own measure is way too harsh.

Lord Jesus Christ son of the ever living God, have mercy on me a poor sinner. Amen.

 

[MementoMori3283]

You can’t please God. That’s the whole point.

And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

Gen 4:4 KJV

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And Abel he too brought of the firstborn of his flocks and of their fattest, and the Lord turned to Abel and to his offering.

Bereishit 4:4

**turned **Heb. וַיִשַׁע, and he turned. Likewise, (verse 5):“וְאֶל מִנְחָתו ֹלֹא שָׁעָה” means: [And to his offering] He did not turn. Similarly, (Exod. 5:9): וְאַל יִשְׁעוּ means: and let them not turn. Similarly, (Job 14:6): שְׁעֵה מֵעָלָיו means: turn away from him.

and…turned Fire descended and consumed his offering. — [from Song Zuta 6:2, Sefer Hayashar]

 

[reteeks21]

Hello someotherguy,

I Have 5 Questions -

1. Aren’t Catholics “Born Again”… even by “Born Again” standards?
2. If a “Born Again” pulls a Catholic away from their Catholic Faith…that’s Ok?
3. How does being a “Born Again” make it Ok?
4. If Catholics are, by the "Born Again” definition - “Born Again”, why would anyone need to pull them away from their Catholic Faith?
5. Do you believe that practicing, or observant Catholics are “Saved”?

Peace

Excellent points as usual, Jimmy B. But how would you “defend” protestants in this situation as you have catholics? (which, by the way, I believe was necessary) Does that question make sense to you? Should I try and clarify more?

 

[Stephen_C]

Are Catholics and Protestants who pulled Protestants away from their Protestant Faith in danger of going to Hell?

(Maybe if I flip the question you can see the implicit arrogance it contains)

I know this is for JimmyB but let me give you my take. Someotherguy had reported here that he shadowed B16 (with megaphone in hand) during his visit here in the US. I don’t think he was there to welcome our Pope. So you might get an idea as to what else he might do…

 

[jonnyws]

Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?

Last time I checked the only person that could judge in this world was God. The answer to the above is ‘I don’t know’ purely because judgement is not something we should do, it is something God does and by criteria we have no idea about. Only God can see someones heart in its true light.

‘Do not judge, and you will not be judged; because the judgements you give are the judgements you will get, and the standard you use will be the standard used for you. Why do you observe the splinter in your brother’s eye and never notice the great log in your own?’ Matthew 7:1-3

These people who seek to convert others away from the Catholic faith are doing what they believe to be truely right, they are convinced that they have the truth and that we do not and as such who are we to say what God will do with them. They may even get a pat on the back for having such zeal for Him, even if it is wrongly placed!

‘Work out your salvation in fear and trembling.’ Philippians 2:12

 

[NDfan]

Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?

Why ask a question that only GOD can answer Are Roman Catholics who answer this question emphatically yes being judgemental? Why yes they are. Jimmy it seems you ask this same question about every other month. Maybe with different wording though.

 

[Gamera]

Call me selfish, but I’m usually most preoccuipied with whether I’m going to hell.

 

[jonnyws]

Call me selfish, but I’m usually most preoccupied with whether I’m going to hell.

As we all should be. It’s a much healthier thing to look at our own sins, wrong judgments and bad faith than to look at other peoples.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Excellent points as usual, Jimmy B. But how would you “defend” protestants in this situation as you have catholics? (which, by the way, I believe was necessary) Does that question make sense to you? Should I try and clarify more?

Hello reteeks,

It would be hard to defend Protestants on this issue, because Protestant denominations have removed, rejected and/or changed various aspects of Christianity to suit their own desires. When one knowingly rejects any aspect of Christianity, they reject Christ Himself. Some of these changes are inevitably going to lead some straight to Hell. I am not being judgmental here, I am stating a fact.

Non-Catholic Christians need to ask themselves, “what if I’m wrong?”, or “what if my denomination is wrong?”

For example - Whether or not one needs to be Baptized; how the Holy Sacrament of Marriage is viewed…how birth control is viewed; the Ten Commandments is another example; whether or not, one is suppose to attend Mass regularly and receive the Holy Eucharist regularly, is another example; If one needs to repent after committing a mortal sin is another example; what happens to ones soul, if he/she dies with an un-repented mortal sin on their soul is another example and the Bible is yet another example and the list goes on… Some denominations are preaching things today that have been deemed heretical for many hundreds of years and are still heretical today.

Heretics go to Hell…that is not my opinion; this is something that has been a Christian truth, since the beginning of Christianity.

I am not judging here, I know, for example that as a Roman Catholic , if I die with a mortal sin on my soul, I might not go to Heaven…Again, this is not my opinion, this is what the Catholic Church teaches.

All denominations are “part Catholic”… but just the parts that they agree with and that is my point here…

I pray for true Christian unity

Peace .

 

[SIA]

Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?

I don’t think any of this is relevant to why a person may go to hell. If someone leaves the Catholic church to discover a much more real calling of the Holy Spirit (like myself), then whoever was instrumental in that would be equally blessed I would believe.

 

[emeraldcoast]

As we all should be. It’s a much healthier thing to look at our own sins, wrong judgments and bad faith than to look at other peoples.

Just wanted to add to the above quote…

…and to thank the Lord for His Grace! Amen!

It is much easier to look at other’s short fallings then to examine our own. The good old school teacher saying comes to mind-- “Keep your eyes on your own paper.”

God Bless!

 

[c659smith]

I don’t think any of this is relevant to why a person may go to hell. If someone leaves the Catholic church to discover a much more real calling of the Holy Spirit (like myself), then whoever was instrumental in that would be equally blessed I would believe.

With all due respect what you wrote above is alot of bull.

Now why did you leave the Catholic Church.?

When you return we will welcome you back with love and open arms.

 

[po18guy]

How can someone pull another away from one faith to another? No one can force another to believe something.

The serpent was the most cunning of all the creatures. Force was not required. The serpent was serving his own truth, which, of course, was not God’s truth.

Someone can provide an argument that one faith is true and another is false, but the person influenced by the argument is completely responsible for leaving and no one else. Even the Devil can only tempt someone. He cannot force someone to sin. Sin is a personal responsibility. Or am I missing something?

You have this right. One cannot be forced to sin, because sin requires consent. So, if force is used upon someone, causing an objective sin to occur, no sin attaches to the soul, since that person’s will did not consent to the act.

You know where to come to find out about sin and guilt!

Christ’s peace.

 

[Ronald_E]

My question in response to the question of the thread is, why do non-catholics try to pull Catholics away from their faith?
Also, I voted that I did not know about their judgement.
To attempt to pull a Catholic away from his faith seems to be an act of aggression and not love.
I am now going for my morning Rosary Run and thank God for guiding me home.

 

[emeraldcoast]

My question in response to the question of the thread is, why do non-catholics try to pull Catholics away from their faith?
Also, I voted that I did not know about their judgement.
To attempt to pull a Catholic away from his faith seems to be an act of aggression and not love.
I am now going for my morning Rosary Run and thank God for guiding me home.

Most likely those of you that are new converts to the Catholic Church are also a bit eager to share your new-found faith with others, especially those of us that are not Catholic. Why would it be so hard for you all not to understand a non-Catholic wanting to share their faith with you, especially if they believe that you are missing out on something as important as a true personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the complete understanding of what truly God’s Grace means?

God Bless!

 

[vocatio]

I don’t think any of this is relevant to why a person may go to hell. If someone leaves the Catholic church to discover a much more real calling of the Holy Spirit (like myself), then whoever was instrumental in that would be equally blessed I would believe.

Heresy.

I was “convinced” I would go to hell too once if I remained Catholic.

My prayers are always for Catholics confused by all the crazy stuff going on out there. God blessed me and brought me back with the wife that Proselytized me…only once she figured out what I did she pulled me back towards the Catholic Church. I was leaning towards Orthodoxy during our return because in my mind there is no way the Catholic Church could be right with all those Catholics that think they can do whatever they want. They don’t even believe their own faith or even know what the Catholic Church teaches. Thankfully I figured out that I couldn’t blame the Church for what individuals do.

Hope you find you way home to the Catholic Church one day. Peace

 

[Jimmy_B]

Most likely those of you that are new converts to the Catholic Church are also a bit eager to share your new-found faith with others, especially those of us that are not Catholic. Why would it be so hard for you all not to understand a non-Catholic wanting to share their faith with you, especially if they believe that you are missing out on something as important as a true personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the complete understanding of what truly God’s Grace means?

God Bless!

Having “a true personal relationship with Jesus Christ and the complete understanding …(of) God’s Grace” - means, among other things; avoiding mortal sins.

Hello emeraldcoast,

I appreciate what you are saying here, but I would like to give an example of what I’m talking about.

Many Protestant denominations recognize multiple marriages for example, where people have married and then divorced and then re-married. The Catholic Church does not recognize marriages outside of the Church and does not recognize multiple marriages, most Catholics know this.

If a person marries outside the Catholic Church and then they divorce and again re-marry, the Catholic Church, to use an old term; believes that those who have divorce and re-married are “living in sin”, or in another words, committing the sin of adultery.

The Catholic Church considers adultery to be a mortal sin, meaning a loss of heaven.

I can give you many more examples but first, I would like to know how one who has pulled a Catholic away from his/her Catholic Faith and then preaches/teaches the estranged Catholic; that there is “nothing wrong” with one marrying, divorcing and then re-marrying and in some cases, multiple times, is not committing a mortal sin?.

A Catholic who knowingly, marries and then divorce’s and re-marries outside the Catholic Church is committing a mortal sin.

In essence, the person from the “new” denomination is encouraging and condoning what the Catholic Church considers adultery.

If a non-Catholic minister, performs a marriage for someone who has married and divorced multiple times, he is assisting in their sin of adulty (by Catholic standards), is he not?

If the Catholic Church is right, the estranged Catholic, involved in multiple marriages, has big problem; they might go to hell.

Catholics on the other hand, because of the way in which the Sacrament of Marriage is viewed, don’t have to worry about going to Hell for committing adultery in this way, because multiple marriages are not allowed.

Can you see my point?

Peace.

 

[historyb]

I was “convinced” I would go to hell too once if I remained Catholic.

that’s what keep me coming and going, I am afraid the the Church is not the truth.