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jimmy85
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Try to udnerstand my awfull english and perhaps you will understand whta I mean.
I beg you pardon my english
Are there any Catholic theologions that fully understand the last book of the bible ?
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I beg you pardon my english
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walt2000
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Just to make things short, whom ever you got that from, is playing baseball in a different part of the field, then we are.Note: An “apocalypse” is a final catastrophe.
Note: The Apocalypse is supposed to come at the end of the world or of time.
Apocalypse: Is the Greek name of the Book of Revelation
im just an average Joe sorry
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Just average Joe yourself ,where are you from? explain.
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freesoulhope
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None of you, except for one or two good trys, have seemed to explain the last book of revelations. This is shocking! Can somebody please enlighten me.
I believe revealtion is happening around us as we speak! It wouldnt surprise me if we were half way through the book aready.
I believe revealtion is happening around us as we speak! It wouldnt surprise me if we were half way through the book aready.
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jimmy85
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oh gosh ,
well im not a scolar I dosent even knwo how to spell in english , anywya im jsut a guy taht read the bible and studyed it with catholic explanations.
first we can agree that revelation isnt an horoscope its a book, its not frightening nor creepy.
In my catholic bible its divided in 3 parts
-the letter to the 7 churches of Asia ,
-from the chapter 4 on, talks about Christ and Israel.
-and from the chapter 12 talks about the future of church and the world. this book was written in the year 100 aproximately, So the church wasent yet established, teh chruch was established by the blood of the Martyrs.
I think you cant explain the entire book of revelations at onces so if you dotn udenrstand a part of it just ask, there are so many comentarys and explanation about it , out there.
Dont read the propethic books like an horoscope because you will read them in a wrong way.
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jimmy85
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I think you have to make short your question and ask peopel which part of revelations you dotn udnerstand? then you can get an answer.
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walt2000
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explain Rev.10 ,and compair it to the little scroll in the end of dan.
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jimmy85
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There are many grammar mistakes so try to read well n be patience.
If you want more explanation go here: mercaba.org/FICHAS/BIBLIA/NT.htm
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www.freetranslation.com
Its in spanish but you can translate them very well,
Its the best bible commentary I have read
You gotta take on account that the prophecys of Revelatiosn are in disorder.
-When the 7th n last trumpet, sign of the coming of Gods kingdom,
John generally find the visions in septenarys “seven seals seven trumpets”.
he makes a parentesis.
the book is divided in three sections ( 1-3) (4-11) and 12-22).
at the end of the (4-11) section so the author intersperses the visions that havent been properly mentioned.
the meaning of the angel is to reveal that the 7th trumpet is gonna play.
The term of the present time, of the present world, supposes the beginning of the final time, of the new dimension expressed by the formula “a new sky and a new land” (21,1). The mystery of God, that is to say, the final work of salvation, that the divine will has determined to carry out on the “history”. Nevertheless, how of this plan will be done is still secret and therefore the Angel cannot make public the words of God. But a thing is certain: we are to the doors of the consummation of the kingdom of God.
The style of the text is solemn. The angel that descends of the sky is the most majestic of all the book, so much in his aspect as in his dress. After proclaiming his announcement the entire universe -with a foot in the land and another in the sea-, he proclaims the absolute efficacy of the Word of God, doing his oath before the Lord of all the things created. His power is experienced especially by the prophet.
John eats the book, assimilates what the Lord permits him to prophesy. (The assimilation of the word is always a prior act to the predication). The word, nevertheless, that penetrates him to the deeper and becomes a servant it of the message, is like a sword of two edges: as in the case of Ezequiel (c. 2), it is candy and bitter, consolation brings him at the same time and trouble, sufferings and happiness. Even what even, the Lord knows and he maintains to his chosen: “Sight, I I put my words in your mouth, today I establish you on towns and kings, to start and to devastate, to destroy and to demolish, to build and to plant” (Jr 1,10).
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spauline
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Hey, I got lots of good stuff on this: for what’s going on around us, read my take on the Two Witnesses:
The Two Witnesses and the Witness of the Church
For what has gone before in the spiritual history of the Church (and spiritual attacks on its doctrinal development) read this:
The Seal, the Mark, and Everything in Between
For a theological reflection on the nature of sin, the “False Logos”, read this:
The Lamb, the True Logos, and the Second Beast, the False Logos
I mean it, I think there’s meaning in all of the apoc, meaning that is deep and spiritual!
Blessings to you, free soul hope!
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Maratom
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I don’t know of anyone who completely knows a subject.
If you watch Jack van Impe; he claims he does. I would say Catholic apologist Bob Sungenis.
If you watch Jack van Impe; he claims he does. I would say Catholic apologist Bob Sungenis.
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walt2000
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He Has not a clue, what he is talking about.
Ask if he can explain what the seven thunder said to the seven church’s Re. 10 .what is the little scroll john had to eat.
Seven thunders.
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walt2000
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Jack van Impe reads the news paper , and says ,see the end is coming.He do’s not interpret scripture.Or Revelations,he is has been wrong ,and is still wrong.he has not a clue of what he is talking about.stick to the catholic version.I have been in It for 35-40 years and they are the closest.And they do not even know about the seven thunders.Re.10
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JoeyWarren
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:banghead: Apocalypse is the greek word that means to “Uncover” or “Reveal”.Note: An “apocalypse” is a final catastrophe.
Note: The Apocalypse is supposed to come at the end of the world or of time.
Apocalypse: Is the Greek name of the Book of Revelation
im just an average Joe sorry
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walt2000
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There is no forbidden knowledge in the bible ,if it is forbidden it would not be in there. the lord gives you the word and then he tells, you it is not for you to know, It sounds like the fundamentalists ,trying to get around some thing they do not under stand.Another thing. Did you know that, it is not for us to know knowledge that God has perposely hidden from man kind?.
Its called “Forbidden Knowlegde”. How do you know, that what your trying to find out, doesn’t fall in to that catagory!
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walt2000
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If you haven’t got any thing out of what I gave you in the past year you will never get it ,leave it alone it’s not for you.Walt2000 You might not have what It takes to understand
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walt2000
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p.s. revelations have been hidden for 2000 years so don’t feel bad.
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walt2000
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give me his web address,sounds like we can have a good discusion.Give me his web address.
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walt2000
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Some people on this thread do not seem to do their home work a little help with a few good books would help. as a suggestion only ,extra reading . books like---------------------------------------------------
This has nothing to do with numerology .Just numbers and their different uses in the bible.Walt2000 Galileo and others were rejected should we cathlics reject all ?Let us give it a chance,before writing all off as garbage.walt2000
- Germatria------------words,numbers of God.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- Numbers and their meanings. and their use and meanings of ------------- 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 10,12.12x12.trinity of 3,666,777,888,
- Germatria and how it works.--------------------------------------------------
4 God as a mathematician.--------------------------------------------------------
5.bible , basic on numbers,--------------------------------------------------------
- Dr. Ivan Pain’s bible numerics.----------------------------------------------
7.number in scripture by. E.W.Bullinger.------------------------------------
- And that is just a few Prod. books ,There are catholic seminarian material -----------------------------------------------------------------
- Bonnie Gaunt has a few books to read ,a bit far out but interesting
This list go’s on and on. There is a lot of reading out there.some good, and some,fair,and some not so good reading----------------------
Dr. Scott,------- Newton,--------Einstein,------------ Hawkins, and others.had good pointsThis has nothing to do with numerology .Just numbers and their different uses in the bible.Walt2000 Galileo and others were rejected should we cathlics reject all ?Let us give it a chance,before writing all off as garbage.walt2000
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walt2000
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Or will this thread be drop ed.Through ignorance,because it do’s not agree with our ignorance.walt2000
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jimmy85
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Take it easy Walt we are all here to learn 
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