Are those who do not receive Jesus in Holy Eucharist really Christians? Is it insanity for them to continue claiming to be Christians?

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benedictus2 said:
Exactly what I said before. But StMarina just doesn’t get that. Hers is a rather extreme position and I am not even sure if that is exactly the position of the Orthodox Church.
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I don’t disagree that we must receive commumion, don’t get me wrong, and I know how important it is. But it is one thing to understand that and know it and turn your back on it. Its another to not fully understand it. According to what I understand from what the Pope said it is one thing to know and then turn away from the truth. But if it hasn’t been quite revealed to you in that way, its not really their fault. But to claim that just because they don’t understand how important communion is, and to say they are not Christians is unreal. I have said and I will repeat it, to be a Christian is to follow the Path of Jesus Christ the best way you know and are taught. A non-Christian rejects Christ and do not believe that he is the Son of God. I mean they believe that in their religion they are getting communion. Unless I am misunderstanding this thread completely. Again I agree they do not grasp the Catholic or the Church’s teahings. But they do believe in Jesus Christ. Thats the point I think. And I was always taught as long as you accept Jesus Christ as your savior and worship him, and no other gods you are safe. My best friend is a protestant and I feel she is as good as a Christian as I am. She and I do not agree on faith, but thats okay. Hopefully by my example and way of life someday she would want to come to the church and understand more of how important the faith is. But to deny her being a Christian, Thats crazy. And she is living her faith the way she was taught just like I try.
 
rinnie said:
I don’t disagree that we must receive commumion, don’t get me wrong, and I know how important it is. But it is one thing to understand that and know it and turn your back on it. Its another to not fully understand it. According to what I understand from what the Pope said it is one thing to know and then turn away from the truth. But if it hasn’t been quite revealed to you in that way, its not really their fault. But to claim that just because they don’t understand how important communion is, and to say they are not Christians is unreal. I have said and I will repeat it, to be a Christian is to follow the Path of Jesus Christ the best way you know and are taught. A non-Christian rejects Christ and do not believe that he is the Son of God. I mean they believe that in their religion they are getting communion. Unless I am misunderstanding this thread completely. Again I agree they do not grasp the Catholic or the Church’s teahings. But they do believe in Jesus Christ. Thats the point I think. And I was always taught as long as you accept Jesus Christ as your savior and worship him, and no other gods you are safe. My best friend is a protestant and I feel she is as good as a Christian as I am. She and I do not agree on faith, but thats okay. Hopefully by my example and way of life someday she would want to come to the church and understand more of how important the faith is. But to deny her being a Christian, Thats crazy. And she is living her faith the way she was taught just like I try.
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I agree. However, RobGentner made a valid point. He said surely not all 33,000 denominations out there. Some really have a distorted view of Christ. When you follow a Christ who is not really the Christ of Scripture, then i really don’t think you can call them Christian.

Example is the Hillsong church here in Australia whch preaches the " prosperity gospel". I cannot really call them Christian because their belief cannot be reconciled with the Christ who died on the Cross and enjoins us to take up ours and follow him. The wife of the head of their church disparaged overweight people as if to be a Christian, one needs to be trim, taught and terrific. Their members have come out testifying that since joining this church, they got a new job, new car, became rich, etc. . As if this is what the Gospel is all about.
 
benedictus2 said:
I agree. However, RobGentner made a valid point. He said surely not all 33,000 denominations out there. Some really have a distorted view of Christ. When you follow a Christ who is not really the Christ of Scripture, then i really don’t think you can call them Christian.

Example is the Hillsong church here in Australia whch preaches the " prosperity gospel". I cannot really call them Christian because their belief cannot be reconciled with the Christ who died on the Cross and enjoins us to take up ours and follow him. The wife of the head of their church disparaged overweight people as if to be a Christian, one needs to be trim, taught and terrific. Their members have come out testifying that since joining this church, they got a new job, new car, became rich, etc. . As if this is what the Gospel is all about.
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See this is a different matter all together. Now you are talking about People being misled. I agree if a Church is not Catholic it does not have the fullness of the truth. But the point is these people are very misled which many religions do. But the people themselves believe in Jesus Christ they are just not getting the true meaning of scripture. But that does not make them false believers in Christ. They are just taking the word of God, and either misleading others with it or being misled. But the point is as much as their teaching is so off base, they still believe in Jesus Christ. And while they do have the true scripture, they just dont understand it.
 
sandusky said:
(older is better, older is truth),
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Ah, sandusky has a new mantra in his continuing attempts to discredit the Holy Eucharist. :rolleyes:

The Apostolic Church has a continuing line of succession reaching back to the Apostles. Today’s truth = older truth.

This one really stumps you. Your only response to St John’s disciple (St Ignatius) is that it was only his “opinion.” Yeah right. Do you really believe that?

I think the reason that you have been here for so many years trying to refute the Holy Eucharist, is that God is pulling you back to Apostolic Christianity.

Sandusky the revert! That has a nice ring to it. 😃
 
Mickey said:
For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed.

Figurative speech? No way.
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Why not. Say if it was a Commandment like Thou shall not kill but then everybody who speaks the original language says the actual translation is murder. About half the Christians in the world believe that a word for word translation is incorrect.
 
Mickey said:
Sandusky the revert! That has a nice ring to it. 😃
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All reverts … raise their thumbs.👍

It was the Eucharist that drew me back to the Church after years of living and chasing the popular American materialistic secular life … I am sure many others have had the same experience … especially for reverts.

So how can I ever deny what truly saved me … the Jesus in the Bible … yes … and the Jesus present, body, blood, soul and divinity in the Eucharist … most definitely yes.
 
4Squarebaby said:
Why not. Say if it was a Commandment like Thou shall not kill but then everybody who speaks the original language says the actual translation is murder. About half the Christians in the world believe that a word for word translation is incorrect.
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Good point. The bible doesn’t explain everything. Just imagine if I just took the New Testament, without paying any attention to any translations and without using any resources to help me learn Greek. I be completely lost, since the New Testament writers assumed that their readers understood Greek. I wouldn’t know whether theos meant “God”, or whether it meant “sandal”. 🙂

In much the same way, the bible doesn’t always tell whether a passage is meant literally or figuratively – one reason that it doesn’t make sense to take the bible in a vacuum.
 
Peter_J said:
Good point. The bible doesn’t explain everything. Just imagine if I just took the New Testament, without paying any attention to any translations and without using any resources to help me learn Greek. I be completely lost, since the New Testament writers assumed that their readers understood Greek. I wouldn’t know whether theos meant “God”, or whether it meant “sandal”. 🙂

In much the same way, the bible doesn’t always tell whether a passage is meant literally or figuratively – one reason that it doesn’t make sense to take the bible in a vacuum.
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Exactly! But once on this track, then were back to the Hebraism argument again!
 
rinnie said:
See this is a different matter all together. Now you are talking about People being misled. I agree if a Church is not Catholic it does not have the fullness of the truth. But the point is these people are very misled which many religions do. ** But the people themselves believe in Jesus Christ they are just not getting the true meaning of scripture. But that does not make them false believers in Christ. They are just taking the word of God, and either misleading others with it or being misled. But the point is as much as their teaching is so off base, they still believe in Jesus Christ.** And while they do have the true scripture, they just dont understand it.
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But rinnie they believe in a False Jesus! Don’t you see the circular thinking? They say they believe in Jesus so you think they do even if they don’t believe what he teaches? Like I always say about informed Protestants They know of Jesus, they don’t know Jesus. He can only be understood through they translation of the Bible by His True Church.

Are those who do not receive Jesus in Holy Eucharist really Christians? Is it insanity for them to continue claiming to be Christians? Yes, they are insane!
 
4Squarebaby said:
Why not. Say if it was a Commandment like Thou shall not kill but then everybody who speaks the original language says the actual translation is murder. About half the Christians in the world believe that a word for word translation is incorrect
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4 Square Go read Posting #428 please it will tell you exactly “Why Not”.

It has been reread for 2,000 years it is correct. His body is our meat to eat, His blood our drink to drink, in order to obtain eternal life, PERIOD! An exert for you:

"Yes, it is true that even among the Semites, and even in the Scripture themselves, the phrase: “to eat some one’s flesh”, does have a figurative meaning, namely, “to persecute, to bitterly hate someone”. However, If the words of Jesus are to be taken figuratively, that would mean that Christ had promised to His enemies eternal life and a glorious resurrection in recompense for the injuries and persecutions directed against Him. I am pretty sure he wouldn’t have done that!

The other phrase, “to drink some one’s blood”, in Scripture, especially, has no other figurative meaning than that of dire chastisement (cf. Isaiah 49:26; Apocalypse 16:6); but, in John 6:54-56, this interpretation is just as impossible here as in the phrase, “to eat some one’s flesh”.
Consequently, the eating and drinking must to be understood as the actual partaking of Christ’s actually body, hence literally. "

read and understand!~
 
Mickey said:
For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed.

Figurative speech? No way.
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Were I you, I wouldn’t worry about making a defense to me; you’ll be answering to someone greater than me for adoring and worshipping bread and wine. :hmmm:

Carry on, Mick.
 
RobGentner said:
But rinnie they believe in a False Jesus! Don’t you see the circular thinking? They say they believe in Jesus so you think they do even if they don’t believe what he teaches? Like I always say about informed Protestants They know of Jesus, they don’t know Jesus. He can only be understood through they translation of the Bible by His True Church.

Are those who do not receive Jesus in Holy Eucharist really Christians? Is it insanity for them to continue claiming to be Christians? Yes, they are insane!
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How can they believe in a False Jesus. There is no such thing as a false Jesus. They believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Do you think that the Jesus Christ that they believe in and the Jesus Christ we believe in are two different Jesus. Do they also not believe that the same Jesus died on the cross for our sins. I am not saying I agree with false teachings. I am saying that they are Christians. Even the Pope calls all Christians to come back to the Church to the fullness of the truth. Please when you go to church on Sunday ask your Priest. He will tell you, thats the best thing to do.
 
sandusky said:
Were I you, I wouldn’t worry about making a defense to me; you’ll be answering to someone greater than me for adoring and worshipping bread and wine.
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Believe me, I do not worry about making a defense to you. I merely witness to the Truth. We all will answer to the Lord.

May the Lord have mercy on you for denying His Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist.
 
rinnie said:
How can they believe in a False Jesus. There is no such thing as a false Jesus.
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I don’t think I’d go that far. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying “Protestants believe in a false Jesus”, but rather that I think it is possible for someone to believe in a false Jesus. (For example, I think you could say that Muslims believe in “a false Jesus”.)

My :twocents:.
 
Mickey said:
Believe me, I do not worry about making a defense to you. I merely witness to the Truth. We all will answer to the Lord.

May the Lord have mercy on you for denying His Real Presence in the Holy Eucharist.
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🤷 I’m not worshipping bread and wine, Mick, you are; better you pray for mercy for yourself.
 
sandusky said:
🤷 I’m not worshipping bread and wine, Mick, you are; better you pray for mercy for yourself.
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Again, I ask, why is it impossible for GOd to allow the bread and wine to turn into the Real Presence of Jesus?
 
Peter_J said:
I don’t think I’d go that far. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying “Protestants believe in a false Jesus”, but rather that I think it is possible for someone to believe in a false Jesus. (For example, I think you could say that Muslims believe in “a false Jesus”.)

My :twocents:.
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But Peter J what I am saying is there is only one Jesus Christ. Anyone who considers themself a Christian believe in him. Other religions deny Jesus Christ.
 
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