Are you in favor of a New World Order (world governance)?

[Vouthon]

Good point about privacy.

I’m actually a bit confused as to why certain popes, at least Pope Benedict XVI for certain, expressed the desire to have a unified world government, considering the possible result that Christians might have no quarter and the general idea that government can become wicked. Everything else Pope Benedict did I really appreciate, but I differ with him on this point, which is political and not faith and morals.

I agree, you are at full liberty to disagree with Pope Benedict XVI on this single point - provided that you do accept the social doctrine principle of a “world political authority” ie one that is something more like the UN but not a government The WPA is part of the church’s social tradition because it is considered essential for solidarity, whereas it taking a governmental form is simply an interpretation of that principle: one among many possible manifestations.

 

[Vouthon]

On Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI and “new world order” see Lee Penn’s commentary on Caritas en Veritate:

Caritas in Veritate is a definitive Papal teaching, not an impulsive release of a botched document. Its stand in favor of a New World Order is consistent with Benedict’s statements since he became Pope in 2005 – including a call for a “new world order” in his first Christmas message to the world in December 2005. Benedict has repeated this same message since Caritas in Veritate was published in the summer of 2009. The encyclical is binding Church teaching…

However Benedict does not define magisterially speaking that any “world political authority” should take a governmental form. The social doctrine of the church does not elucidate, it gives general principles and ideas in this area. One can therefore interpret WPA in a variety of ways but that it should be accepted as a valid teaching, given its constant repetition in a multitude of papal encylicals since Pacem en Terris in 1963, is something I see as a certainty.

Blessed (soon to be declared saint) Pope John XXIII, in his 1963 encyclical Pacem in Terris, wrote:

“…Today the universal common good presents us with problems which are world-wide in their dimensions; problems, therefore, which cannot be solved except by **a public authority **with power, organization and means co-extensive with these problems, and with a world-wide sphere of activity. **Consequently *the moral order itself demands ***the establishment of some such general form of public authority…In our own day, however, mutual relationships between States have undergone a far reaching change. On the one hand, the universal common good gives rise to problems of the utmost gravity, complexity and urgency—especially as regards the preservation of the security and peace of the whole world. On the other hand, the rulers of individual nations, being all on an equal footing, largely fail in their efforts to achieve this, however much they multiply their meetings and their endeavors to discover more fitting instruments of justice. And this is no reflection on their sincerity and enterprise. It is merely that their authority is not sufficiently influential. We are thus driven to the conclusion that the shape and structure of political life in the modern world, and the influence exercised by public authority in all the nations of the world are unequal to the task of promoting the common good of all peoples…The special function of this universal authority must be to evaluate and find a solution to economic, social, political and cultural problems which affect the universal common good. These are problems which, because of their extreme gravity, vastness and urgency, must be considered too difficult for the rulers of individual States to solve with any degree of success. But it is no part of the duty of universal authority to limit the sphere of action of the public authority of individual States, or to arrogate any of their functions to itself. On the contrary, its essential purpose is to create world conditions in which the public authorities of each nation, its citizens and intermediate groups, can carry out their tasks, fulfill their duties and claim their rights with greater security…”

- Blessed Pope John XXIII, Pacem in Terris (1963)

As you can see, Pope John XXIII grounded the WPA in the “moral order” itself; as a prerequisite for justice in a globalized world in which people must seek the good not only of their own nations but of the entire human race. Nevertheless it is NOT to take away legitimate issues that are best handled by sovereign states nor has it any right to arrogate their powers to itself or intervene and have jurisdiction in areas where it is not needed.

What exact form should a WPA take? That’s certainly up for discussion and it need not be governmental (in my understand anyway) although that is a very real interpretation (and one put forward to some extent by the Pontifical Council for Justice in Peace in a subtle manner).

 

[bsroufek]

I agree, you are at full liberty to disagree with Pope Benedict XVI on this single point - provided that you do accept the social doctrine principle of a “world political authority” ie one that is something more like the UN but not a government The WPA is part of the church’s social tradition because it is considered essential for solidarity, whereas it taking a governmental form is simply an interpretation of that principle: one among many possible manifestations.

Actually, I cite this Vatican document, which clearly states that although several popes have cited the need for such a world authority, the “policy” comes from a “Vatican agency” and is not “what Pope Benedict XVI says”, as though it were official Church doctrine. In other words, even though popes have described such a need, I am not bound or obliged to agree with it, as though it were Church Doctrine.

Unless the Popes themselves ordain the world authority, like the Holy Roman Empire, I don’t believe that such world authority would have the graces to be as benevolent as this Vatican document and several Popes describe as necessary for the world, especially developing countries.

So, I ask you to pray for me, as I don’t believe such a world authority to be a good idea–because world leaders tend to be immoral or at least non-Christian–unless it were both Catholic and ordained by the Popes and morally answerable to the Popes, like the Holy Roman Empire.

It’s like saying, “it would be good if we had a world authority that would prevent financial abuse”, but such morality in world government is seriously lacking. I’m struggling to accept this as a social policy which the popes have advocated (it’s not official social doctrine), so pray for me.

 

[Vouthon]

Two more important quotations relating to WPA are from, firstly, the Second Vatican Council constitution Gaudium et Spes:

“…It is our clear duty, then, to strain every muscle as we work for the time when all war can be completely outlawed by international consent. **This goal undoubtedly requires the establishment of some universal public authority **acknowledged as such by all, and endowed with effective power to safeguard, on the behalf of all, security, regard for justice, and respect for rights…”

- Vatican II, Gaudium et Spes [The Church in the Modern World, no. 82] 1965

And Pope Paul VI in his encyclical Populorum Progressio:

“…Such international collaboration among the nations of the world certainly calls for** institutions that will promote, coordinate and direct it, until a new juridical order is firmly established and fully ratified**. We give willing and wholehearted support to those public organizations that have already joined in promoting the development of nations, and We ardently hope that they will enjoy ever growing authority. As We told the United Nations General Assembly in New York: "Your vocation is to bring not just some peoples but all peoples together as brothers. . .Who does not see the necessity of thus establishing progressively a world authority, capable of acting effectively in the juridical and political sectors? Some would regard these hopes as vain flights of fancy. It may be that these people are not realistic enough, and that they have not noticed that the world is moving rapidly in a certain direction. Men are growing more anxious to establish closer ties of brotherhood; despite their ignorance, their mistakes, their offenses, and even their lapses into barbarism and their wanderings from the path of salvation, they are slowly making their way to the Creator, even without adverting to it…”

- Venerable Pope Paul VI, Populorum Progression [The Progress of Peoples, no. 78] 1967

 

[Robert_Sock]

A New World Order is needed to deal with such problems as extreme poverty. The competition between nations can also be lessened through a NWO, and put to good use in maintaining a strong world economy.

 

[bsroufek]

Here is a most recent Vatican document, during Pope Benedict XVI’s reign, discussing the need for such a universal public authority.

Even though I agree with all of these popes that such a world authority, working in the interest of the common good, would be a good thing, I have a problem with this because it’s kind of like saying, “We need a good and just king” or “We need a good and just government”. Who can disagree with that?

But, as we can see today, the several world powers are generally ambitious, corrupt, selfish, persecuting Christians, ALL OF THEM enforce abortion, some of them enforce sterilization.

Honestly, the only way I can see a unified world-wide public authority being good for mankind is if it’s monarchical and chosen and ordained by the Popes, even answerable to the Popes, like the Holy Roman Empire originally was. Otherwise, I see no way that such authority would have the graces and moral direction necessary to govern the world justl

Why monarchical? Because Jesus said [Matt 7:13-14], “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.” Basically, most people are wrong and, therefore, democracy is inherently flawed. Also, in 2 Sam 23:3-4, we have “The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me, ‘He who rules over men righteously, Who rules in the fear of God, 4Is as the light of the morning when the sun rises, A morning without clouds, When the tender grass springs out of the earth, Through sunshine after rain.’”

 

[SamH]

A New World Order is needed to deal with such problems as extreme poverty. The competition between nations can also be lessened through a NWO, and put to good use in maintaining a strong world economy.

What makes you think a bigger more wasteful government would handle the problem any better than the current bloated ones do?

 

[estesbob]

Are you in favor of a New World Order (world governance)?

Totalitarian Govts rarely work out well for the populace.

 

[SamH]

Totalitarian Govts rarely work out well for the populace.

Some of the populace find it to their liking, but a vast majority do not.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Totalitarian Govts rarely work out well for the populace.

Who said anything about it being totalitarian?

 

[estesbob]

Who said anything about it being totalitarian?

How could it not be?

 

[ssancho]

As you can see, Pope John XXIII grounded the WPA in the “moral order” itself; as a prerequisite for justice in a globalized world in which people must seek the good not only of their own nations but of the entire human race. Nevertheless it is NOT to take away legitimate issues that are best handled by sovereign states nor has it any right to arrogate their powers to itself or intervene and have jurisdiction in areas where it is not needed.

I agree that any sort of WPA should not be able to interfere in the sovereignty of nations, but rather support such sovereignty. For example, in the recent past, Britain tried to offer “aid” to Nigeria on the condition that the country liberalize its laws against homosexual behavior (I don’t remember offhand whether this involved “SSM”.). With a WPA to safeguard the sovereignty of poor nations, wealthy Western countries like Britain couldn’t pull things like this. (I should mention that Nigeria rejected the offer.)

What exact form should a WPA take? That’s certainly up for discussion and it need not be governmental (in my understand anyway) although that is a very real interpretation (and one put forward to some extent by the Pontifical Council for Justice in Peace in a subtle manner).

It would probably be most practical to reform the UN in a decent direction. My understanding is that the UN is a (very weak and corrupt) global government. Getting rid of the UNFPA would be a good first step toward reforming it.

Something that hasn’t been mentioned so much is the role of supranational unions (European Union, African Union, Unasur/Unasul, ASEAN, Arab League, SCO, etc.) What role do/should they play in world governance?

 

[KS_Housewife]

I think voluntary world-wide clearing houses for certain types of business or activity might work. Perhaps this is what previous popes have had in mind. I do not want a one world government, esp. with strong central authority.

 

[classicar]

Are you in favor of a New World Order (world governance)?

The greatest experiment in “social justice” was the America our founding fathers gave to us at their expense. We let it slip out of our hands by watching everyone else try to “reform” it to our personal standards, and lo and behold, here we are discussing the possibility of if the worst nightmare anyone could imagineais a solution to our ignorance and apathy. Good luck to those who want it. Move to your favorite dictatorship now, and give it a try.

 

[KS_Housewife]

 

[MicheleLMD]

Definitely NOT! The New World Order is a freemason illuminati vision of creating chaos. Out of Chaos comes Order is their mantra. They want to achieve this by reducing the population to under a million world wide. You can imagine the other 7 billion will be collateral damage.

Freemasonry is condemned by The Church and therefore the doctrines and plans of freemasonry can not be supported EVER! You can not serve two masters.

 

[TEPO]

Definitely NOT! The New World Order is a freemason illuminati vision of creating chaos. Out of Chaos comes Order is their mantra. They want to achieve this by reducing the population to under a million world wide. You can imagine the other 7 billion will be collateral damage.

Freemasonry is condemned by The Church and therefore the doctrines and plans of freemasonry can not be supported EVER! You can not serve two masters.

Well, in this age there are billions of Freemasons who don’t even know they’re freemasons. Pretty much anyone who works with “think tanks” are completing what the masons began. There are millions of think tanks and the UN is like the mother ship of them all. Masonic ideology is beyond widespread these days.

…currently, this ideology is in the middle of a confrontation with the Middle East. That’s probably the final phase before global governance becomes a reality IMHO.

 

[TEPO]

A New World Order is needed to deal with such problems as extreme poverty. The competition between nations can also be lessened through a NWO, and put to good use in maintaining a strong world economy.

I disagree that a NWO would solve these problems. All systems become corrupted when Christianity is not the core. Christ is the only solution.

 

[Brendan_64]

I disagree that a NWO would solve these problems. All systems become corrupted when Christianity is not the core. Christ is the only solution.

 

[MicheleLMD]

Well, in this age there are billions of Freemasons who don’t even know they’re freemasons. Pretty much anyone who works with “think tanks” are completing what the masons began. There are millions of think tanks and the UN is like the mother ship of them all. Masonic ideology is beyond widespread these days.

…currently, this ideology is in the middle of a confrontation with the Middle East. That’s probably the final phase before global governance becomes a reality IMHO.

I agree with you. They have pretty much deceived the people around the globe.

So many people are oblivious to satan’s influence on society via freemasonry. God will save us so I’m not afraid.