Are you in favor of a New World Order (world governance)?

[freeRadical]

Do you understand why the Church exists? To bring the truth. To save souls for God. The Freemasons are satan’s attempt to seduce people away from God and Truth. They require their members to believe in a god. Not THE GOD. Any god. Pagan religions are all embraced. Do you see how this is breaking the first commandment? Thou shall NOT have ANY other gods before ME !!! How hard is that to understand? They make their members swear secret oaths and it is so EVIL that Pope Leo XIII had to address it himself! He made it forbidden to Catholics! Keep this in mind. There is a heaven and there is a hell. God & satan are both fighting over souls. This is a great spiritual battle and we are right in the middle of it. We need to choose our side. I choose God. If you love your friends, you will pray that they see the light before they are lost eternally to darkness. Yes, it is that serious. Those nice people are being deceived. Few go to hell deliberately. Most just didn’t know any better, they were never taught or were taught a false doctrine. But we all make a choice and when we die we must reap what we sowed. Please go to confession. Please do this. I feel you are just misled. I have grown children and I know how easily this society can deceive us.

God bless you

Freemasonry is not a religious organization, it is a fraternal brotherhood. Yes, they require that all members must believe in a supreme deity but all discussions of religion are banned inside a Masonic Lodge. They do not have religious ceremonies, they do not have worship ceremonies. It is not a religion. Freemasonry aims to bring men of various religious faiths together in brotherhood.

 

[MicheleLMD]

You need to calm down. You don’t know anything about me. You’re comparing Freemasons to abortionists? lol, okay.

And you’re defending Freemasonry! An institution condemned by The Holy Catholic Church!

Evil is evil. Abortion is killing and freemasonry kills the soul so yes I do compare them. LOL!

 

[freeRadical]

Free Radical can we know more about you? You seem like a well educated individual, young, and one who likes to push the envelope. Did you grow up Catholic? Are you a "cafeteria Catholic?

My Catholic journey is a very long and complicated story.

 

[TEPO]

I am not a Freemason, you don’t know anything about me. Just like you don’t know anything about Freemasonry.

Maybe you need to talk to your priest.

You need to open your mind and seek the truth rather than fall into the dismissive mindset of “oh that’s just a conspiracy theory because that’s what my freemason friends tell me whom I look up to so much”.

 

[freeRadical]

And you’re defending Freemasonry! An institution condemned by The Holy Catholic Church!

Evil is evil. Abortion is killing and freemasonry kills the soul so yes I do compare them. LOL!

The Holy Catholic Church also condemned the Knights Templar to horrible torture and death. Where they right in doing that?

 

[TEPO]

Freemasonry is not a religious organization, it is a fraternal brotherhood. Yes, they require that all members must believe in a supreme deity but all discussions of religion are banned inside a Masonic Lodge. They do not have religious ceremonies, they do not have worship ceremonies. It is not a religion. Freemasonry aims to bring men of various religious faiths together in brotherhood.

Well, they may not have worship ceremonies but they do have men who wear aprons called “worshipful Masters”.

 

[TheresaLS]

My Catholic journey is a very long and complicated story.

I understand but I think you have to understand that in the world we live in “rules” are not popular. So much is questioned…and questioning is good to a point, but as I grow older I see that the Church has to remain consistant in Its teachings or it will cease to exist.

 

[freeRadical]

You need to open your mind and seek the truth rather than fall into the dismissive mindset of “oh that’s just a conspiracy theory because that’s what my freemason friends tell me whom I look up to so much”.

What’s more likely, the conspiracy theory that Freemasonry is a vast organization that has tried to bring down the Church over hundreds of years or that Freemasonry is just a fraternal brotherhood? Occum’s Razor. How do you know I have any Freemason friends or that I even look up to them? There you go again, making unfounded accusations about someone you don’t know anything about. Me.

 

[freeRadical]

Well, they may not have worship ceremonies but they do have men who wear aprons called “worshipful Masters”.

and your point being?

 

[freeRadical]

I understand but I think you have to understand that in the world we live in “rules” are not popular. So much is questioned…and questioning is good to a point, but as I grow older I see that the Church has to remain consistant in Its teachings or it will cease to exist.

I don’t feel comfortable sharing my personal story here seeing as I’ve already had baseless accusations and judgements passed on me by people who don’t know anything about me.

 

[TEPO]

What’s more likely, the conspiracy theory that Freemasonry is a vast organization that has tried to bring down the Church over hundreds of years or that Freemasonry is just a fraternal brotherhood? Occum’s Razor. How do you know I have any Freemason friends or that I even look up to them? There you go again, making unfounded accusations about someone you don’t know anything about. Me.

I’m just trying to help you… its a well documented fact that Freemasonry has tried and has succeeded to some extent to “bring down the Catholic Church”. In fact, its so well documented, that that hasn’t even been my focus here on this thread. My focus is on the ways that Freemasonry acts similar to think tanks in that it tries to use money and people to influence the world.

If you have no intentions on exploring that possibility and would rather charge me as a conspiracy theorist then that’s the point where our conversation ends… Because there’s no good reason not to keep an open mind.

 

[TEPO]

and your point being?

The point is that we have no business calling a man worshipful master if he isn’t Jesus Christ. Also, it’s just weird.

 

[TheresaLS]

I don’t feel comfortable sharing my personal story here seeing as I’ve already had baseless accusations and judgements passed on me by people who don’t know anything about me.

Believe me I understand. I am a “traditionalist”. I love the smells, the bells, cassocks, and Latin. At present I a having a problems with some of Pope Francis’ statements. It’s not easy being Catholic…and that’s the beauty of the Church. It’s a never ending journey. Bless you…

 

[freeRadical]

The point is that we have no business calling a man worshipful master if he isn’t Jesus Christ. Also, it’s just weird.

How is that any different then calling a priest Father if he isn’t God? Or calling the Pope Holy Father?

It’s weird to you. Misunderstanding breeds distrust.

 

[MicheleLMD]

Freemasonry is not a religious organization, it is a fraternal brotherhood. Yes, they require that all members must believe in a supreme deity but all discussions of religion are banned inside a Masonic Lodge. They do not have religious ceremonies, they do not have worship ceremonies. It is not a religion. Freemasonry aims to bring men of various religious faiths together in brotherhood.

For not being a freemason you sure claim to KNOW their organization well. You can dress a pig in feathers but it still says OINK! Really, what part of “you must obey Church Doctrine” is not making it into your brain? Defend evil against God and you risk your very soul. It’s not evil because I or anyone else on here says that it’s evil. It’s evil by nature. We know it’s evil because Holy Mother Church tells us it is evil. Just like your saying it is good and a brotherhood does not make it good. We know you are wrong because Holy Mother Church tells us freemasonry is evil.

Did you bother to read HUMANUM GENUS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII
ON FREEMASONRY

vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18840420_humanum-genus_en.html

You aren’t arguing with me. You argue with God’s Vicar Pope Leo XIII
and The Church. You appear to be filled with pride, not willing to submit to the Church’s teachings. Is that true? Do you think you have the right to go against Church doctrine?

 

[freeRadical]

I’m just trying to help you… its a well documented fact that Freemasonry has tried and has succeeded to some extent to “bring down the Catholic Church”. In fact, its so well documented, that that hasn’t even been my focus here on this thread. My focus is on the ways that Freemasonry acts similar to think tanks in that it tries to use money and people to influence the world.

If you have no intentions on exploring that possibility and would rather charge me as a conspiracy theorist then that’s the point where our conversation ends… Because there’s no good reason not to keep an open mind.

You understand why that sounds like a conspiracy theory right?

Please give me this well documented evidence that Freemasonry has tried and succeeded in bringing down the Catholic Church.

 

[freeRadical]

For not being a freemason you sure claim to KNOW their organization well. You can dress a pig in feathers but it still says OINK! Really, what part of “you must obey Church Doctrine” is not making it into your brain? Defend evil against God and you risk your very soul. It’s not evil because I or anyone else on here says that it’s evil. It’s evil by nature. We know it’s evil because Holy Mother Church tells us it is evil. Just like your saying it is good and a brotherhood does not make it good. We know you are wrong because Holy Mother Church tells us freemasonry is evil.

Did you bother to read HUMANUM GENUS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII
ON FREEMASONRY

vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_18840420_humanum-genus_en.html

You aren’t arguing with me. You argue with God’s Vicar Pope Leo XIII
and The Church. You appear to be filled with pride, not willing to submit to the Church’s teachings. Is that true? Do you think you have the right to go against Church doctrine?

The Holy Catholic Church and the Vicar of Christ Pope Clement V condemned the Knights Templar to horrible torture and death. Do you think that was right?

It’s obvious that Pope Leo didn’t understand Freemasonry. He distrusted their secrecy and we all no that misunderstanding breeds distrust.

 

[freeRadical]

Believe me I understand. I am a “traditionalist”. I love the smells, the bells, cassocks, and Latin. At present I a having a problems with some of Pope Francis’ statements. It’s not easy being Catholic…and that’s the beauty of the Church. It’s a never ending journey. Bless you…

and may God bless you.

 

[MicheleLMD]

The Holy Catholic Church and the Vicar of Christ Pope Clement V condemned the Knights Templar to horrible torture and death. Do you think that was right?

It’s obvious that Pope Leo didn’t understand Freemasonry. He distrusted their secrecy and we all no that misunderstanding breeds distrust.

First: YES, the Church has the right! That right was given by Jesus Christ, The Son of God!
The Church has been vilified throughout time. The Spanish Inquisition usually invokes a terrible cruel image of The Church. But when historians studied the actual documents and writings from that time period they found the opposite was true. The Church acted Just and Pastorally. The lies were started and perpetuated by enemies of the Church. Even the BBC, which is not Catholic, did a documentary and reported the Church was humane and prisoners actually would ask to be tried by the Church instead of the State because they would be treated humanely.

The knights templar also spread poison against The Church. Have you studied the actual historical documents and writings of that period? Have you read books by historians who have the credentials and done the research? I doubt it or you wouldn’t have brought up this subject on a Catholic website where there will be people who have bothered to actually read for themselves. We know how to defend our Church. The truth is easy to defend.

Second: Really Pope Leo did not understand? So you’re saying that THE HOLY SPIRIT DID NOT UNDERSTAND? GOD DID NOT UNDERSTAND?

Catholicism 101 - when the Pope teaches doctrine, HE IS INFALLIBLE! Protected by THE HOLY SPIRIT from making error. So you’re actually saying that GOD DIDN’T UNDERSTAND. Yes, you do understand… but God doesn’t get it. That’s what you said???

You are one very lost little lamb.

 

[freeRadical]

First: YES, the Church has the right! That right was given by Jesus Christ, The Son of God!
The Church has been vilified throughout time. The Spanish Inquisition usually invokes a terrible cruel image of The Church. But when historians studied the actual documents and writings from that time period they found the opposite was true. The Church acted Just and Pastorally. The lies were started and perpetuated by enemies of the Church. Even the BBC, which is not Catholic, did a documentary and reported the Church was humane and prisoners actually would ask to be tried by the Church instead of the State because they would be treated humanely.

I didn’t ask if the Church had the right, I asked if what they did was right. There is a difference.

The knights templar also spread poison against The Church. Have you studied the actual historical documents and writings of that period? Have you read books by historians who have the credentials and done the research? I doubt it or you wouldn’t have brought up this subject on a Catholic website where there will be people who have bothered to actually read for themselves. We know how to defend our Church. The truth is easy to defend.

If what Pope Clement V did was right then why did he change his mind later and declare that the Templars committed no crimes against the Church? I think you need to study more about the Knights Templar and Pope Clement V’s involvement in their unjust persecution. How he caved to the demands of King Phillip of France.