I think you ar eway off base. The trads can be arrogant-and a lot of that has to do with what happened to them. For centuries, holding to the traditions as past down by Pope to Pope, parent to chilld, and so on, with some minor variations at times. The Mass was reverenet, discipline was enforced, and THEY were the standardbearers of the faith-and the Modernist liberals pushing for change -and using contraception, having premarital sex, and in the spirit of the 60’s finally got their way with help from liberal theologians like Hans Kung and the rest.
So then one day the traditionalist wakes up, and instead of being a traditionalist-he is told everything that was taught in the past is bad-and out goes St Thomas and in Goes Hans Kung. Out goes the beautiful TLM codified by a Saint-and in goes some Novus Ordo Mass made up by 6 Protestants and a Mason. He or she cant believe what happened, the modernists keep pushing and they get the communion in the hand, new sacraments, new Bible, everything new. Even the dumbest person cant believe this.
It would be if you went into physics class tomorrow and the teacher said-well you no longer have to learn about Newtons Law or Thomas Edison as they are old and stupid and only new is good-let me teach you about some new physic laws-the old laws dont apply. Any you say-huh? F=mass x acceleration no longer applies? why? and the teacher gives you no answer.
So in a nutshell-the traditionalists have 1960 years of Saints, Popes,a beautiful Mass, the true sacraments as instituted by Christ-and we have …A Novus Ordo Mass that has clowns presiding and countless abuses-John XXIII, and Hans Kung! They are not arrogant-they are just proud of what they have held onto and what we traded all that for. And lets not forget the final death blow which ususally puts the nail in the coffin-statistics:
**Effects of the Council in the United States of America **
Kenneth C. Jones’s “Index of Leading Catholic Indicators: The Church Since Vatican II” cites the following statistics comparing measurable aspects of Catholic life in the United States before and after the Second Vatican Council:
Priests in USA:
1930-1965 doubled to 58,000
since 1965: 45,000
Projection: by 2020: 31,000, half over 70
Priestless parishes:
1965: 1%
2002: 15%
Ordinations in USA:
1965: 1,575
2002: 450
Seminarians:
1965: 49,000
2002: 4,700 ( -90%)
Seminaries:
1965: 600
2002: 200
Sisters:
1965: 180,000
2002: 75,000, average age 68
Teaching nuns:
1965: 104,000
2002: 8,200 ( -94%)
Christian Brothers seminarians:
1965: 912
2000: 7
Franciscans:
1965: 3,379
2000: 84
Catholic High Schools: -50%
Catholic Parochial Schools: -4,000
Catholic marriages: -33%
Annulments:
1968: 338
2002: 50,000
Mass attendance:
1958: 3 out of 4
2002: 1 out of 4
Lay religious teachers who agree with:
contraception: 90%
abortion: 53%
divorce and remarriage: 65%
missing Mass: 77%
Catholics aged 18-44 who don’t believe in
transubstantiation: 70%
Research conducted by Fordham University’s Dr. James Lothian compared statistics similar to the foregoing with equivalent data relevant to Protestantism, finding that no equivalent decline has occurred in Protestant faith communities over the same time period
Genesis315:
I think one problem with traditionalists of the schismatic variety is pride. Just like the Protestant who believes his own interpretation of Scripture is better than that of God’s Church, the schismatic traditionalist also believes he knows better than the Church. He puts his own interpretation of Tradition, the Magesterium, and various other Church documents above the interpretation of the Church. I love the Latin Mass too and I go to the indult every Sunday. But just because I think it is better, doesn’t mean the NO is invalid. The shape of the building doesn’t make a Mass invalid either. Neither does the fact that people wear sweatpants and shake hands. It is the priest’s fault that he doesn’t admonish irreverence, not the fault of the Mass. .
