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Munawar
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Hi hlgomez,
Those are Christian beliefs. Not Islam. Thanks!
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Those are Christian beliefs. Not Islam. Thanks!
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The_Eurasian
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Munawar
Let me see if I understand Islam correctly from you or MSJ. What I heard from one of you is that the following is what Muslims believe
(1) Muslims believe that the word of God has been corrupted by Christians.
(2)Jesus and Mary are prophets of the Muslims.
(3)Mahomet was chosen by God to be the last prophet. And his job was to do the corrections in the distortions and changes that were made by Christians on the words of God.
(4)JMuslims believe that Jesus Christ will return and judge the world on the last day.
Let me see if I understand Islam correctly from you or MSJ. What I heard from one of you is that the following is what Muslims believe
(1) Muslims believe that the word of God has been corrupted by Christians.
(2)Jesus and Mary are prophets of the Muslims.
(3)Mahomet was chosen by God to be the last prophet. And his job was to do the corrections in the distortions and changes that were made by Christians on the words of God.
(4)JMuslims believe that Jesus Christ will return and judge the world on the last day.
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Munawar
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Hi Asking,
Men and Women get equal reward in Heaven. Women will have the same things.
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Munawar
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quote=The Eurasian Muslims believe that the word of God has been corrupted by Christians.
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Hello Eurasian,
Muslims believe that the Bible was corrupted over time.
quote=The EurasianJesus and Mary are prophets of the Muslims.
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Jesus was a Prophet. Mary is just a good person.
quote=The EurasianMahomet was chosen by God to be the last prophet. And his job was to do the corrections in the distortions and changes that were made by Christians on the words of God.
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The Prophet Muhammad was tasked with giving the Quran to all of mankind. While what you wrote above is true, I wouldn’t word it the same way…ie the focus is not on Christianity. Islam is not based on Christianity.
quote=The EurasianJMuslims believe that Jesus Christ will return and judge the world on the last day.
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Jesus Christ will return to fight the Anti-Christ. He will get married and die a normal death.
Islamically - Only God is the Judge of the World.
Munawar
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Hello Eurasian,
Muslims believe that the Bible was corrupted over time.
quote=The EurasianJesus and Mary are prophets of the Muslims.
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Jesus was a Prophet. Mary is just a good person.
quote=The EurasianMahomet was chosen by God to be the last prophet. And his job was to do the corrections in the distortions and changes that were made by Christians on the words of God.
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The Prophet Muhammad was tasked with giving the Quran to all of mankind. While what you wrote above is true, I wouldn’t word it the same way…ie the focus is not on Christianity. Islam is not based on Christianity.
quote=The EurasianJMuslims believe that Jesus Christ will return and judge the world on the last day.
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Jesus Christ will return to fight the Anti-Christ. He will get married and die a normal death.
Islamically - Only God is the Judge of the World.
Munawar
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Eden
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So you believe in an “anti-Christ”. Will there be an “anti-Moses” and “anti-Muhammed” as well?
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Munawar
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Hi Eden,
In Arabic, the anti-Christ is called the “Dajjal”. Dajjal means imposter.
But in Arabic we also say “Messiah ud-Dajjal”. The Imposter Christ.
His message will be exact opposite of Jesus. Jesus called strictly to spirituality. He didn’t get married, or own property or run a state. The Anti-Christ will call to materialism. Money, fun, extravegance (You can already see it here on Earth in the West).
Moses and Muhammad were not Prophets of an extreme. They did not call only to Spirituality. They both ran state governments, both had some material goods. No - there won’t be a Anti-anything in Islam besides the Anti-Christ.
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exoflare
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This is just the kind of inconsistency and double-standards I keep mentioning… Not too long ago, you mentioned that the Heaven of Islam is described in such a carnal way only to apply to all people, including materialists. So let me get this straight, materialism goes contrary to the spirit of islam, and yet materialists will enter heaven??
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iamrefreshed
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Munawar,
That is very unfair of you to paint the entire West as materialistic. I could easily paint Islam with the broad brush of violence if we wanted to play games.
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Munawar
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Hello ExoFlare,
Let me ask you a question:
Are there pervert Christians? Men and women who really enjoy sex, but are good Christians, and channel that energy properly? Do they get to go to Heaven?
Are there Christians that love wealth and material goods (But don’t hoard?) Do they get to go to Heaven? If God told them that there were lots of riches in Heaven, do you think this would make them happy?
Maybe I’m not explaining this properly, but it seems quite straightforward to me.
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The_Eurasian
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Munawar
Do Muslims also believe that Mary and Jesus entered Heaven and are now with God?
Do Muslims also believe that Mary and Jesus entered Heaven and are now with God?
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Munawar
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Hello Iamrefreshed,
I agree. I didn’t mean to make it sound that way.
Extravagence and love of materialism is more rampant here then elsewhere. But, yes, there are good people here as well. And materialism is everywhere.
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Munawar
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The Eurasian:
We believe Jesus was raised up to Heaven and is with God.
Mary, we believe died a normal death, and is in her grave waiting for the Day of Judgement, like all dead people.
Munawar
Hello Eurasian,
We believe Jesus was raised up to Heaven and is with God.
Mary, we believe died a normal death, and is in her grave waiting for the Day of Judgement, like all dead people.
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exoflare
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Now we may be getting somewhere. There is NO room for sexual perversion or greed in Christianity. A Christian is supposed to work toward eliminating those sins, not entertaining those thoughts while trying to justify them. And no, if they keep putting those things before God they are NOT going to heaven! Why the sudden emphasis on satisfying people’s carnal urges rather than doing God’s will?
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The_Eurasian
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Munawar
A human person is believed by Christians to have a body and a soul.
Muslims believe that the body of the Virgin Mary is in her grave.
What about the soul of the Virgin Mary? What do Muslims believe happened to her soul? Where is Mary’s soul today???
A human person is believed by Christians to have a body and a soul.
Muslims believe that the body of the Virgin Mary is in her grave.
What about the soul of the Virgin Mary? What do Muslims believe happened to her soul? Where is Mary’s soul today???
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Eden
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But where is the Virgin Mary’s grave?
"As for the Assumption, the strongest evidence for Mary’s Assumption is, oddly enough, a complete lack of evidence. That is to say, no early Christian ever claimed to have a bodily relic of Mary, and no city ever claimed to have Mary’s remains. And this is in STARK contrast to the early veneration of the tombs of the Apostles and the other saints of the early Church. For example, everyone knew that the graves of Peter and Paul were at Rome. Likewise, the graves of John and Timothy were at Ephesus. The grave of Luke was in Greece, whereas the grave of Mark was in Alexandria, Egypt; later being transported to Venice. Likewise, the grave of James was at Jerusalem; the grave of Mary Magdalene was at Marseille. And, even the graves of the Old Testament saints were similarly venerated – such as the graves of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob at Hebron; the grave of Rachel at Bethlehem (Matt 2:18), and the grave of David in Jerusalem itself (Acts 2:29). So, why did NO early Christian ever speak about a grave of the Virgin Mary? Unless there never was one.
An Emperor and Empress wished to possess the body of the Virgin Mary and requested to obtain her remains but the Bishop of Jerusalem informed them that her body is not in a grave: "Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem at the Council of Chalcedon (451) made known to the Emperor Marcian and [his Empress] Pulcharia, who wished to possess the body of the Mother of God, that Mary died in the presence of all the Apostles and that her tomb, when opened upon the request of St. Thomas, was found empty; wherefrom the Apostles concluded that the body was taken up to Heaven." (Homily on the Dormition, PG 96)
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Stu
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Munawar, this too is where I have some real difficulty. My understanding of your defense is that in the Koran God is trying to appeal to everyone no matter what their level is in order to get them to heaven. Doesn’t seem logical to me to be using the most primitive of man’s desires, those which he routinely puts before God, as a lure. To me it’s like promising a crack addict that heaven is like and endless supply of “dime bags of crack” with loose women to boot looking to score some of the rock themselves at any cost. This would truly be alluring to some on this earth but in no way reflects the calling from the Lord for us all to be saints. After all, if I can do it in heaven then why not on Earth?
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Munawar
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Hi Stu,
By definition, the Islamic heaven is everything and anything a person could have or would want. Hence for the carnal, there are carnal elements there.
Is the Quran trying to entice people with anything? No - It is simply explaining Heaven in terms people will understand and look forward to.
If I told a group of adults, that Heaven was full of toy blocks, not many would consider it heaven anymore.
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Stu
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Well I think your view is as straight forward as you thought. It’s just that to myself, and I think others here, the reward of heaven is just being close to God rather than the carnal and primal rewards you describe. And while I agree He would give us anything we could want, what could I possibly desire that would compare to just being with Him? Nothing.
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hlgomez
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That’s Jesus saying that whom you consider a prophet.
And by your own “indirect” admission, the God of Abraham is the God of the dead because Abraham is “dead”? Muhammad’s theology is too shallow, so too are his followers who claim to be the sons of Abraham…?
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Munawar
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Hello HlGomez,
Muslims do believe that Jesus is a Prophet. But we don’t consider the Bible to be an authentic source of what Jesus said. Like I said earlier, we believe the Bible has been changed over time.
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